I went into the training room with Dudley and Abel today. Simply waiting and trying to neutral jump or jump forward when it’s charged a bit and then released, well, I made it sound easier than it actually is. But it is possible and of course I’ve done a few times in matches both online and off. Sometimes my intuition and/or reflexes fail me though. So the best advice is to be cautious and aware (of spacing) when Abel has his ultra. Almost all the time it can be avoided. That being said, I think the point some of us are trying to get across while perhaps sounding a bit dickish about it is, there’s no need to complain!
Neckbreaker? or is that too slow?
no i wasnt being a dick. you didnt read my post.
and its fast but not THAT fast that you cant jump on reaction almost if not 100% of the time. the problem is that if you reacted badly and jump and still be in the range of the ultra, you’ll mostly eat it, or if you jump and whiff moves unnecessarily, youll eat the ultra.
and i was just suggesting after reading how you described the scenario that its probably due to your poor timing that you didnt catch the ryu landing and eat a shoryuken instead, and you cant deny that or are you saying your timing is perfect? no need to be too sensitive because i questioned your timing. i didnt say you “obviously” have bad timing or anything, its like seeing a car post-accident in bad shape and you say “most probably he was driving fast”, the probability of that is just high instead of him drivin slow.
anyway whatever, if people still wanna talk about how cheap this ultra is, im not stopping anyone. i just dont see it like that anymore, plus most people ive played with here have already figured out how to avoid the ultra most of the time, so yeah, besides the online lag factor, the quality of competition might be a factor too.
oh and if you read my post properly, sure at first i suggested that you might missed the timing but then you mentioned the online factor thus making everthing kinda pointless since it can could be lag etc etc. of course unless theres no lag.
its like posting about weird stuff that needs figuring out and at the end you write “esp if its online”, since by the way you said it, its meant towards the negative aspects of online play(lag, stupid players etc), thus adding a lot of random factors, making it almost pointless to discuss the issue…
yea its too slow, but her command throw thing thats not really a throw beats it out point blank on reaction, or at any point of Abels ultra 2
I love cheap. There are many ways around this Ultra. If you think hard enough you’ll come up w/ multiple solutions.
Ibuki can super jump Breathless easily from like anywhere. I still like Breathless in the fight though.
@Pyro: Yeah I figured
Either way guys com’on. This shit isn’t rocket science.
Every character has some way of getting out and/or beating it. This is why most of you new guys are ass. Real talk. You guys hear of training mode?? try it. I hear it works. I saw it in a japanese video! It must be true.
Step 1: Highlight "Training mode"
step 2:Press Start
Step 3:Pick your character
Step 4: Pick Abel
Step 5: Highlight "Training Options."
Step6: Press X or Y whatever the fuck you have
Step 7: Here’s a mindfuck, highlight Dummy option and scroll to record
Step 8: Record Abel doing Breathless (Note: record him doing this at various speeds for maximum results)
Step 9: Find a way out of it.
Step 10: Complain on here anyway.
Using common sense I will use my brain to think of the following solutions/possible solutions.
Ryu: Jump air hurricane out
Ken: Jump air hurricane out, ultra 2
Akuma: Teleport
Abel: Wheel kick, Ultra 1
Cody: mk Ruffian, ultra 1 or 2, Criminal Upper is a possibility too if not too slow
Ibuki: Super jump back, dp + P (her forward flip thing)
Dudley: his damn drill thing d > u + Rh or EX
Pretty much. And if you’re playing a character that has a lot of trouble against Abel’s U2 then it’s an officially bad matchup, nothing you can do about it really other than bitching.
Of course, I play Bison, and I TELEPORT my way out of that shit. I’m standing behind Abel laughing my ass off. :wgrin:
today i fought a guile, u2 goes under sonic booms?
i grabbed him out of sonic hurricane too.
This is why I pick Rose when my mate picks abel, st.mk ftw.
i have 2 friends who play Abel and i ve got hit by Breathless countless times, but it was my fault…its a damm good ultra that helps Abel a lot but its far from cheap, there are many ways to avoid it, fact is that you need to learn a bit how the ultra works and learn your ways how to avoid it…i know its been told here but it is really that simple…you need to adjust your gameplay the same way how you adjust to ryu who has U1 stocked and 2 EX bars or other ultras, basically almost every character ultra changes your gameplay a bit…if not, then you probably dont know how to play
Blanka can hop out(forward), Vertical roll, and Rainbow roll.
I would recommend doing MK vertical roll because if it hits you get some extra damage with your punish, and if the Abel decides to charge you are still home free. With hop if the Abel charges do it again quickly.(hop isn’t the best method this is the only thing that could be countered) With Rainbow roll, well just do it.
Do all of these instantly
I wanna see what u can do with it because I also believed that it could work in that matchup but people just trying to random with it without any thought is just free jump away. I like it vs. button presses though.
Wouldn’t a regular blanka ball work because its armour breaking?
Nope, you get thrown right out of it.
NO ONE IS SAYING THE ULTRA IS INESCAPABLE.
I don’t think ANYONE in this entire thread said that.
The issue is that for many characters who don’t have super jumps or built in counters, escaping a well set-up U2 becomes a mix-up. I argue that it’s a mix-up in Abel’s favor, because the recovery is so fast.
Heck, just fooling around, I’ve tried activating U2 then cancelling immediately just to screw with the opponent and get some cheap damage as they jump. I’ve won some rounds that way.
And, escaping a 7 frame move on reaction is hard. I don’t care if it’s “possible”, it’s really hard. It’s a large burden to place on a player at the risk of 480 damage. Especially if Abel screws around with the timing, doing it shortly (but not immediately) after the super flash, without giving you a chance to mentally prepare. The average person cannot always rely on that in the heat of an intense battle. Even escaping it on reaction 90% of the time is not enough, because it does 480 damage. That 10% of the time, you just lost the round.
BTW, most of this thread has been spend discussing random U2 use (i.e. “tossing it out there”). Let’s not forget the many guaranteed setups hat U2 has, too. It’s a really versatile, forgiving ultra.
LOL cheap! U1 is still by far Abel’s most dangerous Ultra because of all the guaranteed combos/setups. Almost any Abel player that really gave me a killer match selects U1. U2 has its uses and does a lot of damage but it’s hardly a free move in any circumstance.
This ultra is perfectly balanced. I mean, if you can escape the Shun Goku Satsu, why not this?
The only difference is that it’s delay-able. And Cancel-able. And has armour. And travels about three times as quickly. I mean it’s basically the same move right?
fuck airborne normals that beat EX TT and Backdash!
When I was using Guile, it looked like Abel’s hyper armor absorded the sonic boom, most likely that’s what happened. I don’t think it goes under. I’m not sure about sonic hurricane.