EX Boom stuffs it completely, and any strength FK as well.
Every character can beat Just in a lot of ways. I miss with it all the time. I don’t see what the big problem is. It does 480 damage when it’s fully charged but you don’t always get with the full one so can’t cry that it does 480 damage every single time cause that’s just not true.
How is it better than Ryu’s Metsu Haduken? I get hit with that constantly but I’m not in the Ryu forums complaining about it.
If the developer intentionally put it in the game, use it. Don’t complain about it. Maybe you just don’t understand the goal of fighting games, and the goal of getting better…I really do fear for the new generation.
lol damn i thought this thread’s already done with
good job on reading the thread.
A++ thread, would read again.
I don’t even think Breathless is ABEL’s best ultra, let alone the best ultra in the game. More than half the cast can escape for free in all situations. The rest escapes for free when they have meter (EX or ultra). Very very rarely will you find that perfect sweet spot where you have a character without ultra, without EX, and without any normal move that breaks armor or puts them off the ground or lets them teleport or whatever. Then it’s a 50/50 shot you might do some damage. You say to just cancel U2 so you can get a free punish off your opponent’s escape? … why would you do that when you can have a much more reliable U1? Also, it’s pretty easy for most characters to get out of the way such that Abel can’t punish. What a nice use of ultra meter that is.
Even despite this, there ARE spots where Abel’s U2 is useful (in addition to its ability to punish certain moves). As The Lone Dragon so eloquently put it: “The issue is that for many characters who don’t have super jumps or built in counters, escaping a well set-up U2 becomes a mix-up. I argue that it’s a mix-up in Abel’s favor.” Alert the presses! Abel works hard to set up U2 properly and gains an advantage in the fight because of it! That, my friends, is what we call broken.
No shit, mixups that favors the attacker… who the fuck wanna do mixups that favors the opponent more? Ive said this in my prev posts but since its a “mixup”, people can react/guess right and PUNISH HARD.
This thread has good posts here and there but also a lot of crap coming from both sides(abel/non-abel) due to ignorance/saltiness.
as for “NO ONE IS SAYING THE ULTRA IS INESCAPABLE.” ---- err, maybe not you but a lot of people in general cry that its “unescapable/unpunishable”… sure you can argue semantics and shit, that they didnt use the word inescapable per se, but for example, “how the fuck do you escape breathless? QQ bla bla bla cant jump, cant punish, cant do shit but eat it for free” = sounds like saying its inescapable to me. plus check out the 2nd page of this thread too.
"because I feel relying on U2 will make me too dependent on it’s excellent properties. " — 
get the fuck out here
We get it, you think abel’s U2 is the fucking shit, (and the above LOL statement), now stop fuckin tryin to shove it down everyone’s throat. People’ve made good/bad arguments regarding U2 and you ignored them and kept repeating the same shit youve been saying.
Somebody should make a new thread called shut the f*ck up about abel’s new ultra here’s how every character can avoid it.
Nah fuck that they won’t learn
Make a sticked thread saying ‘Go training mode and learn how to avoid U2 or stfu’
when people figure out to stay away from the corners at all costs when abel has ultra 2 things will get a lot trickier to land it.
It’s unnecessarily good.
Given proves on how to escape it with varis character, doesnt indulge the fact that this ultra ranked alot higher than other ultras in game.
One undeniable advantage is that the ultra is cancelable, Abels doesnt really have to think twice(as with all other characters) before throwing out an unlinked ultra. More like a “oh shit” button in general.
U1 is by far much better. Comboability, and setups up the ass make it more worthwhile than U2.
I only use U2 in disadvantageous matches where I have to play defense a lot.
the cancel has enough recovery for Abel to get hit pretty nicely.
As a gief main I think that move is broken and I need to turtle once they get it because I can’t use 2/3 of my normals or jump or use any special moves unless they are safe counter moves. So it makes for a boring match but you got to do what you got to do.
Well playing Gief amounts to automatic boredom for like most of the other cast you fight against. You either shut out a lot of people’s offense or there are characters that shut out your offense. There’s never any inbetween with Gief.
Abel Ultra 2 far overrated IMO. It’s a scrub killer but it has to be used extremely smart to work against good players.
No offense to you personally, but good.
It makes the match boring for both sides. You still have the “hahaha you’re fucked” oki (which IMO isn’t bad at all and people aren’t thinking it through)
Although Gief is the one match where I would see you being a dumbass if you DON’T use breathless.
If anyone is curious about this, I personally think the Gief match is 5/5. “Realistically” its a 6/4. But I’m probably one of the few on here that like the Gief match , so I give a biased 5/5 rating. I can give the info if people feel like calling BS.
I’m calling BS right now 6/4 at its easiest its harder to argue the case for it being 7-3 but still no way is it even. Match ups are decided on other characters tools right? Gief has all the tools he needs to beat Abel so it could never be a 5-5. Sure we have tools but the onus is on us to work twice as hard to win knowing one knock down and its potentially gg
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Lol @ that Gief player complaining about a boring match just because he has to show slightly more respect to Abel than in SF4 when he has 40% of his health gone. Fuck that Gief players had no respect in SF4 used to walk forward and press all sorts of buttons for no reason just because they could because their pokes are so godly.
Well thats all well and good, but the problem is that most Abel’s DON’T use their own tools in this match. They mash on roll and the up direction and hope for a way out. Sorry guys, not how it works, you actually have to god forbid think about what’s going on and the properties of the match.
Okay for starters you have to realize that this match kinda has to be done in steps and PURE conditioning. Gief can have just as bad as a wakeup game as Abel and its important you pay attention to what’s going on and use what you have.
In this match I like to use the “magic button” St mp. I feel this attack is really important. Trades with Gief’s st strong for the most part but keeps you from walking back and mashing on that toward + mk. It trades for roughly even damage so it’s not too bad at all.
After you make a few trades, start conditioning and getting in. Keep in mind that TT beats everything except jump.
So keeping this in mind here’s what I like to do.
In no particular order:
- st mk, TT
- st mk , dash back
These 2 options are honestly all you need to get shit rolling.
You condition with a TT, then dash back to bait a jump or a whiffed TT. If either of those happen, free ultra.
Now you’re thinking, "Ultra wtf?"
I use the st strongs to get ultra from trades, and I worry about the end of the match to land the ultra for kill. It’s much easier for Abel to land either of his ultras than Gief for his ultras. Abel just has more oppotunities.
Random things:
If you happen to get hit with a lariat, and Gief does a green hand to get in on wakeup and he jumps, thats a free jump back fierce for Abel.
If you get stuck in Lariat/Grab stuff, use REVERSAL TT to get out, or just do nothing and ultra. Don’t make yourself guess.
If you block green hand wait for green hand to recover. Gief can FADC dash back xx ultra 1 for free if you try to TT it too early.
AA Gief. There’s no reason why you shouldn’t be able to. Any jump in = free ultra.
In this match I try to keep track of trades, clean hits, everything.
Note: I’m probably forgetting things as I just typed this up real quick. So if anything looks weird lemme know.
Lol@ u2 being “cheap”…its not and I want. To know if it could be fadc’d from something else…that would be aww@ome!
Nice post Nick T, appreciated. I don’t find the Gief matchup overly hard myself. You gotta be on your toes and it’s a little exhausting, but an aggressive but cautious Abel can give Gief good mixup trouble just as well.