Actually, if you do something like a meaty short or jab, hell any move that can be canceled, and the Abel tries to Breathless the meaty, you can cancel it into any special with invincibility, and it will beat it.
You missed the side that says "Hey, the move isn’t all that great if you just figure it out.
The people who think the ultra is “too good” are just the people that have decided they’d rather complain than figure it out. I haven’t tested with a bunch of characters, but most have easy ass ways out.
We have a guy that plays Ryu in here talking about it’s too good… I don’t even pick that shit against Ryu ever, since it’s so worthless in that fight. Instant Air Hurricane Kick gets him out for absolutely free. I haven’t tested, but if normal Hurricane Kick is off the ground in less than 8 frames, then that’s the easiest answer. See Breathless, mash Tatsu. Breathless doesn’t even serve any real defensive purpose in the Ryu match. There are two choices on Ultra selection when you’re going up against Ryu: Soulless and Worthless.
It’s an easy choice.
You guys need to stop being so lazy. In the time it takes to make a QQ post on SRK about Breathless, you could have went to training mode and found an easy way out.
Ugh, I really didn’t want to touch this thread, but really?? ALL charge characters can gain a charge during the ultra freeze, no matter which way you were holding the joystick. I’m pretty sure Chun can simply walk up to Abel, then ex-sbk him if he does a random ultra. (Or escape it the 100 other ways she has available to her).
EDIT: Not sure why I phrased it like this, I KNOW chun can do this at certain distances, I tested it out yesterday extensively in training mode.
Seriously, my regular crew didn’t just figure out how to escape it by the second game; they were baiting and punishing it by the third. But yeah, it’s much easier to just stop using it completely and then cry about it on SRK, so nobody you play with figures out anything about that ultra.
Not sure why you’re quoting me. I definitely didn’t post that.
Huh. Apologies, weird forum glitch. I just clicked on the quote button, but apparently it decided to credit you with the post instead.
No worries.
In any case, I do think U2 is good for the defensive qualities boost it brings to a character that was sometimes weak in that respect, but right now people are being hit by it in the most gimmicky ways. Eventually, it’ll be one of those Ultras that’s more useful for the threat value than anything else, because it limits your opp’s offensive options.
Why don’t you ease up a little bit, okay? And stop calling shit stupid when you aren’t the one that is put it the situation. You, as the user of the Ultra, will obviously have a different viewpoint on the Ultra than I do. And I might as well call your thought process shit as well, since you don’t seem to understand that different people will have different reactions and thoughts in their own mindset.
But there’s no point in this anyway, a topic questioning the power Abel’s Ultra in the Abel forum? I’d rather not argue against a biased wall.
It’s not that we’re biased… it’s that we actually know the properties of the move, unlike you guys, apparently.
Since we have the knowledge, we know how easy it is to beat it. I had Breathless attempted on my Dudley yesterday. I didn’t even have to think about what to do. EX Jet Upper, GTFO.
You can keep complaining, and then get upset when you’re met with the facts, or you could actually learn shit yourself. I know complaining is a lot easier, but what’s the point?
I am trying to find out whether it is possible to reversal a PC with Breathless (head on, not roll through and doing it from behind).
Does it really have ZERO invinc frames upon release and ONLY Hyperarmor?
Or can PC not be grabbed at all anyway?
I’m learning through training mode, FYI 
So to be honest, for me at least, EX Spiral does work, as well as Ultra II. But I can’t test against an Abel with human wit, but I don’t think it’s as cheap as it really seems the few times I see it online.
Okay show me where I said the move was too good! I know I said it feels cheap but where did I say the move is too good. I never admitted to the move being too good like you are assuming although I did mentioned my experience with the move so people knew where I was coming from and even said that I would figure my own way out. I did no bitch-fest of “Oh Abel is fucking cheap! Breathless goes the full screen + 1/2 of the next. Its inescapable! wah wah wah”
I agree that people should stop being lazy. I also would like to add that people should never assume because it makes an “ass” out of “you” and “me”.
@rattlejaw- Well it was my first experience with the move and so it was my bad. Will be sure to test later but as fast as I saw the rush in round 1, I didnt even know it could be charged and it was that danger of not knowing your enemy that really owned me.
ah great so you brilliantly assumed i dont play any other characters eh? that i never faced abel who picked U2? i guess thats enough proof whos the one with the shitty thought process here. I’ve jumped away and punish decent amount of breathless and vice versa. its all bout understanding the situation, knowing the options and react to the situation in the best possible way. if your way of thinkin is “jump = ultrad” then you need to think better than that its never that simple.
this topic isnt about questioning the “power” of abel, it started with the OP straight calling it “cheap” and decided to not use it when playing with his friends bla bla bla. and then some ppl came in and QQ more.
lol@biased. how do you expect ppl to react to ppl callin U2 cheap? react to people who just wanna hop on the bandwagon hatin on breathless while wasting their time instead of actually trying to figure it out(which is pretty easy imo - range, properties, setups, startup frames)…
anyway i dont even use this ultra that much, i still use U1 against most of the cast, most good abels i know do too. wanna know why? definitely not because its “cheap” or “too powerful”.
i love the abel forums 
Seems an ideal new move for a player like me who couldn’t really feel Abel in the first game, but plays grapplers (and SNK ones at that lol).
I checked out this Ultra, and yeah, it’s kinda effective, albeit a tad gimmicky (like many moves in this game, especially online). Just seems to give a great defensive mix-up to what he already has, enabling you to play further mindgames and go for combos and cross-ups.
Can’t see why any directional move character with 1 bar would get dominated by Breathless during a set. Chargers though, they’d have to mix it up a bit, but that’s just classic Street Fighter strategy.
Seeing Sagat on the other guy’s side as it loads still feels like an instant loss to me, if you wanna talk about the fromage…
That’s only me being mad because you said shit, don’t worry.
I still think this topic was a question of Breathless’s strength. The OP didn’t want to use it because he feared that Breathless was overpowered and cheap. Though, I myself don’t really agree that it’s cheap anymore, but just pretty good.
But am I seeing things, or am I starting to see a ton of Abel players online?
While I wouldn’t say breathless is cheap, I will say that I abused it while getting Abel to C rank. I’m running through characters I don’t normally play for the achievement and I can only execute two of Abel’s BnB combos, so I was expecting it to take about 50 fights to get to C rank (which BTW, was about how many it took me to get there with Hakan.), but Breathless saved my butt on many occasion.
Blocked sweep? Punished. Random Focus attack? Punished. Jumped in with a normal attack? Punished. Doing a non-ex rainbow roll? Punish that. Throwing out pattern Hadoken’s? Punish that too.
In the end it only took me 20 fights to get to C rank and that was mostly against opponents I had no business in beating. I’m not just talking flow chart Ken’s and Ryu’s who do wake up Metsu Shoryu either.
So why don’t I think it’s cheap? Mainly because it completely depends on the matchup. The only character matchup that I would actually consider this ultra “cheap” for is Gief, but Abel needed some type of advantage against him, so in the end I believe it evens out.
It’s also good to stop random pokes being thrown out by Seth and Dhalsim which can be Blocked and Punished. It’s less useful for characters like Ibuki and Viper who can go airborn at a moments notice and stay up there for a decent amount of with various shenanigans making the timing difficult on reaction. Then there are characters like Makoto who can U2 on reaction to either get over it or stuff it completely. A nice timed EX Headbutt from Honda (difficult but not impossible) works fine. Honestly there are ways out of it if your opponent is paying attention to the match up and not just randomly mashing out moves.
I think it’s a very strong advantage to have in a fight, especially if it keeps your opponent thinking and it stops some rush down in it’s tracks, but it can’t be the only thing you use or the fights going to be over before you have a chance to get it out.
jump back anyone lol close thread stop whining
lol no dont restart the cycle again
I neckbreaker that shit and call it a day.
No, that’s not true for every character. Take Dudley for example. Stand right next to Abel. Then Jump back. At that range Dudley cannot escape the range by jumping in either direction.
Makoto has a similar range. Stand next to Abel, jump back, then take a tiny step forward. At that range she can’t escape either direction by jumping.
Same with Hakan. Same with Guile. Same with Dee Jay. Same with…a number of characters.
Not every character has Guy’s or Ibuki’s jump arc.
Take Abel at full screen. Do two crouch roundhouse whiffs. What would you call that range? Because, you can land it from there.
Plus, you can do QCF,QCF,walk forward a tiny bit, 3K for a little extra range.
I honestly don’t think I’m exaggerating at all.
But, you can’t really take advantage of the canceled ultra recovery time, because you’ll be too busy jumping/escaping. Unless you predict that he’s bluffing, and walk right up to him as he’s cancelling it. That’s high stakes poker right there.
No offense taken or given, hopefully.