try harder
Fuckin sabin. THANK YOU. :tup:
All this complaining about Abel must have left you guys
breathless.
In all seriousness though, this is trash. I’ve been playing Abel since vanilla, and I picked him up because I considered him to be a fun character, he clearly has gotten a lot of improvement with super, and it’s pretty lame to see all these people complaining about a move that many characters have ways to avoid. I don’t know if anyone remembers all the theorycrafting before SFIV dropped about how OP Abel was going to be, but this just reminds me of that.
The sad truth is, that while Abel is a really great character in my eyes, he’s also hella gimmicky, and I can say with a fair level of certainty that in a month or two, people will have figured out what their respective characters can do to either beat or bait breathless.
I use to like fight vs able, now that he have breathless, it not fun. cheap shit. not only is it easy to hit, it does 450 fucking damage!
I’m sorry…Risk? How many ultra’s are safer than Breathless?
You really can’t see how an unblockable, delayable, full-screen,** super armor move **that’s cancelable and does 480 can be considered cheap?
Really?
Yes theres a few ways around it…and I’ll never blame a player for using it (if my main had such an ultra I’d use it all day, everyday) but c’mon now…
the move is ridiculous…
but hey what do I know…I’m just a scrub.
ill tell you guys quick what breathless is, its a raging demon with easy inputs, travels 10 times faster, has armor, could be delayed and canceled with no repercussions
Wow, I really thought a player with a name as big as Arturo would be above this type of (scrubbish) talk. You can’t say “oh, I’m mad cause that move is OP, and that’s the sole reason I lost” when that’s not possible, and we all know it. U2 is so far from a win button it’s not even funny. Some of you guys sound like you’re basically saying, “my character doesn’t have a substantial advantage over Abel anymore so I’m pissed that I have to work harder now.” You should be thankful the balance of SUPER is improved compared to vanilla, that’s a GOOD thing.
The tiers in this game seem pretty thin to me in SUPER and things are still going to change as we learn more. That one move does NOT change the landscape of the game to point where a worse Abel player is going to beat a better player consistently, there’s just NO WAY that’s true. I’m sorry, maybe it’s not my place to state my opinion on this argument, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth… We should be gentlemen and leave the mud at the door, it’s looks bad to be slinging it over one move that can be avoided more often than not.
I wish this conversation didn’t sink to the level of insults. If you lost you lost, if you had won it’d be a different story. We all know that shit talk and name-calling means nothing if you can’t back it up. Backing it up is all that matters, so the flinging insults around is absolutely worthless. Plus, I think it doesn’t make anyone look good or knowledgeable, it only tarnishes your reputation.
There’s plenty of things other characters can do that frustrate me, but I know it’s part of the game and is what makes it challenging and makes it fun to train and get better.
Never really thought of Breathless as being “cheap” or too good. But then again I do main T.Hawk, and the Condor Dive pretty much negates it.
Isn’t this basically SFIV in a nutshell?
Think about it. All the flaws in this game come from trying to prevent their original ideas (FADC, Ultras) from being broken.
They start with Ryu, give him a totally broken DP > Ultra (trade or FADC). To counter this they totally break Rufus by giving him 2039128309 hp and even more ways to combo into ultra. Then there’s Sagat, who can’t really keep up, so they break his normals into the 15000 hp per hit range. To prevent focus attacks from being broken they incorporate easy mode reversals so as to not allow lvl 3 meaty focus on wake up. The list goes on.
Then they go about “balancing” the game. Basically they do nothing except nerf a bit of the damage on moves here and there and “nerf” ultra damage (by, what, 30 points or smth? w/e). Then they go about giving chars that already had great Ultras even better Ultras (Abel, Fuerte, Rufus).
IMHO the ridiculousness in this game comes from trying to keep stupid shit from being broken. Instead of balancing the cast by giving them all a decent set of normals and a decent set of specials, they “balance” the game by patching enormous holes in gameplay with invincible (sometimes) full-screen moves for 60% damage or give chars ridiculous amounts of HP (again, rufus, but also Seth and Akuma).
Just poor game design, overall.
my 2 cents.
edit. regarding OP, Breathless from an objective standpoint ; yes, it’s fucking cheap. Risk/Reward ratio is WAY off. Relative standpoint ; no, it fits in the game, because in SSFIV in general a lot of the times Risk/Reward ratio is way off.
So long as there is Rufus, nothing else can really be called cheap.
you must be a abel player lol
broken and cheap is fun. have you ever played ST before? that game is hilariously awesome. SSF4 needs more of that.
The few abel players I’ve run into that have a general idea of what they should be doing/how to do it don’t use breathless
They must know something you guys don’t. Since the OP breathless would be the go to ultra right? :lol:
Breathless is the new Denjin Hadoken… And better.
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the cancel makes it soooo gdlk lol
it shouldn’t have armor either…
The reason the ultra is good is because of the utility it provides. IE people holding up or back dashing away from command throws. It locks people into a different mentality similar to how ryu’s stop chucking plasma once u1 is loaded. And yet all the “pros” opt for ultra 1. Is it because the mentality is I don’t feel like being cheap?
I really doubt thats the case. Though im no pro 
Well no one is pro. Except for Justin Wong and Marn I guess who signed contracts with teams and are making a living traveling around and just doing what they love. But the SRK community seems to be against professional gaming because they want to make it some underground 8 mile bullshit.
This describes it pretty well. 
I wouldn’t say it’s cheap, it’s just a bit… overtly good.
I’ll tell you my feeling on this. for me it has to do with the fact that people know the abel matchup pretty well now, and I just cant launch the opponent in the air with chp into U1 as much anymore. I’m not pro, nor can I do some crzy insane YIPES-style mixups. So I stay in the game with what I got, but when the other guys is kicking my ass in a round, I know that I dont have to get in close to Cod FADC into chp and U1 to get teh win.
But I will tell you this, I complained like crzy about Ryus 1001 ways to combo into U1, so I understand where people are coming from who bitch about abels game.