I guess it just comes down to the fact that players that haven’t figured how to deal with a move or tactic often call it cheap. Once they learn what to do against it, suddenly it’s not cheap anymore.
Anyone who has played fighting games for long enough is probably guilty of this same exact thin. I’m sure I have said this same thing many times so I’m not faulting anyone for that.
But in the case of U2, calling it cheap is incorrect. They will figure it eventually and the complaints will slowly die off.
i havent been using U2 as of late only to realize it doesnt help the learning process in using Abel. i wouldnt say U2 is cheap, but it sure isnt the most skilled thing to do making me feel like i didnt deserve the victory. but im going full throttle with U2 @ EVO.
EVO is an environment where U2 isn’t going to give you much mileage. Tournament players are probably hoping you will pick U2 cause they won’t have to worry about CoD > FDAC > U1.
If you watch even one of those Ryan2df videos posted recently in the video thread, you will see you have A LOT more to worry about playing against Abel. U1 combos is what you’re going to be afraid of against a really good Abel.
I;ve seen combofiend use U2 at a tournament. In the corner against Chun, lvl 1 FADC back into U2. I think it takes a good amount of skill/mind games to pull off the U2 in a tournament against players who know the matchup, and know how to evade the U2.
just yday I was playing a good akuma online (yea online), he had about 8000 BP, and the connex was pretty good, no lag. went down to the last round, the guy had me at low health, while he had a good amount. he knew I had the U2, and he knew how to avoid it, i could tell b/c after he knocked me down and I was down to low health, he backed off, did zero fireballs, and didnt even jump in the air, played the keep away game thinking I would come in and mindlessly throw out a random U2. so I went after him, did 2 lk rolls, followed c.hk, into ex roll into U2 and caught him and won the match. so the point is, you CAN def catch players who know the game pretty well with the U2 and who know the matchup. you just have to do it in a way they dont expect.
I think people are calling it cheap in the sense that 1- you can delay it 2- it has armor and 3- it takes ridiculos health when that ultra meter is filled up
btw, after the c.hk, the guy did a srk, and i rolled under him and pulled out the U2.
basically you just punished the guy who did a blatant error.
theres nowhere in your example that can lead to the akuma player “knowing the matchup”/being good… BP doesnt really mean shit imo (most of the time that is)
gimme a break, the akuma player DID have knowledge of the matchup. I’ve been playing this game for a decent amount of time, where I can tell if the opp knows the abel matchup pretty well. He wasnt some elite pro player or anything, but was a good player. BP is usually an indication of how good the player is, usually. I’ve seen some shit 10K players, and some 5000K players who play pretty damn smart.
and the point I’m trying to make about the U2, is that you CAN use it in tournament play, you just have to use it in a mixup game where teh opp least expects it.
I’m a decent abel player, not even good enough to consistantly do the fmk to sfp to rekka, but I get my fair share of wins. for the time that I’ve played ssf4 online, U2 has saved my ass on more then one occasion. I’m in NYC and would love to get some practice if any1 wants some games on the weekends, I’m on the psn. hit me up.
well im just sayin from the way you described things, you didnt paint him as a gouki who knew the match well enough to justify your statement regarding U2 use in tourney play.
your whole post = you fought a 8000BP/good akuma player who knew the matchup, he was doing so well until he did a blatant error, you punished with U2 so ----> U2 can be used it tournament play.
hmm. i never was implyin anythin bout YOUR level of play, number of wins etc, dont need to be so defensive. nobody is callin you a scrub or anything.
the difference between North American XBL players and Japanese XBL players is that… in NA, the “top” XBL players are only tops on XBL. In Japan, the top XBL players are actually legitimate top SSF4 players :lol:
Well, there are like zero good Akumas in the US, period… plus PSN play in the US is pathetic anyway, so put the two together, and you see what you get.
how much does abel’s hitbox change when he’s charging U2?
I played an abel the other day who threw out U2 pretty randomly(we played about 5 matches and he did breathless every round) - and sometimes where i should have clearly jumped over him, I just landed in front of him and ate it
Now I’m pretty aware of spacing, and I would jump over him on activation from just outside step kick range and clear him 10/10 times
HOWEVER
when I was just outside grab range, maybe geif’s lp spd-ish, i would jump on activation and it seemed like the jump arc was shortened and i would land right infront of him and eat the ultra. this happened only about 2 or 3 times out of probably 15. is there any explaination of this that you guys can think of, or just chock it up to psn
lol I dont know man, I’ve seen some pretty good akumas online. but I dont play in tournaments like you, so this is all I see. I’m sure there are some pretty sick akumas at the tournament level.
hfz, i saw your vidz, you got a nice abel. its ppl like you who post their matches on youtube, and ppl like me who “steal” your strats : ).
wish you were in the states so I can play you and get some feedback.
HAV, have you ever encountered a psn akuma, and had good connex, where he gave you trouble?? becuz if you can beat the top level akumas with abel, a very tough matchup for me, then props to you man!!
His hitbox get really long. its like Gouken’s focus attack, kinda… a jump that would be a nicely spaced crossup on Gouken won’t go behind him if he starts charging his focus. same deal for Abel except its more visually deceptive
I might lose a stray match here and there, but, no, PSN Akumas don’t give me any trouble. I played the top ranked guy last night, and beat him pretty free.
I’ll just say this… I haven’t run into any Akuma on PSN that I would use as a basis for making determinations on how matches go, or, as in this case, the viability of any tactic on a tournament level.
I’ve been thinking about buying a PS for the year I’m gonna go, since I planned on taking my stick anyways. You think getting a box, sf and an xbox TE would pay off? I could prolly sell the stuff before I’m returning, so yeah.