Breathless = Cheap?

So it went from “cheap” to “you CAN land it”?
Nobody said you can’t land it, it’s possible to land a demon in a lot of ways, that doesn’t make it a good ultra. Basically you’re confirming what everyone is saying in this topic, ie: it can punish whiffs, and can be used as antiair. Maybe even mixup a few characters in a few situations (akuma not being one of them, you can’t mixup someone who has an air tatsu).

I don’t mean to say this as an offense because I’m not a great player but you guys will get your panties in a bunch anyway. I think a lot of posters need a little bit of perspective and need to realise that their opinion is not valuable nor needed, especially on character forums. You don’t even begin to grasp how hard you guys would have been flamed a couple years ago.

I never said it was cheap, those were the posters a couple of pages in the back.

I’m just arguing with people who are saying that its “U1 in a tournament, or nothing at all”!! I’ve seen combofiend use the U2 in a tournament against a chun player. Now he may say that U1 is better, I would disagree, but he still uses U2 in a high level tournament enviornment.

I need to see some high level vidz from Japan with people useing abel, and check to see which ultra they are useing. I bet it’s 50/50 between U1 & U2.

you can land any ultra(verily, any attack) in the game except for counter ultras off of focus attacks and whiffed dragon punches, that does’t make it viable

when you say its viable because you did it against a “competant” akuma player on psn when he missed a dragonpunch, thats not saying much

i dont think you are going to understand my point because ultra 2 is new but w/e

I hear you. I just like the U2 for now. when I get to the point where I see that pretty much everyone has figured out how to totally evade teh U2, then I’ll go back to U1. I just play PSN, do I dont have to worry about tournament lvl play.

it’s like the poster said above, people are calling it cheap now, only b/c they have not fully figured out ways to evade it. once they do that, theyre going to begin calling it trash.

Priceless. Those wtf moments from U2 lol are hilarious and incomprehensible when you sit there watching its sequence unfold, asking yourself how it went through this or that move or whatever it is that happened lmao

Namlas’s example IS a good example. So what if his BP is 8K? it obviously demonstrates that he knows how to play akuma, and I am sure that player probably had the PP to back it up. His ERROR you speak of was FORCED BECAUSE of the damage U2 inflicts, that is number 1. 2, it was an “error” as you say because it forced him to be passive and defensive allowed NAMLAS to go after him and “set up” his U2.

pretty much, I would not have won that game with U1 I know that for sure.

he doesn’t even play akuma anymore and after Edma sorta fell off only Shadyk is reppin Akuma real hard as of now

Uppercuts are so cheap cuz they beat liek any move in teh game and Ken’s has fire.

I punished a whiffed SRK with U2. That makes me pro now, rite? I’m goin’ to EVO and riding U2 all the way to the top :rock:

Ah come on, stop trolling Namlas, he actually talked with a brain.

damn, i thought i was the only guy who felt this way about USA gouki’s. glad to see i’m not alone in this regard.

Breathless is cheap enough but not broken.

Close thread please.

lol closing this thread will only spawn another similar one, i guess id rather have one of this thread than 5468468418

people can say all they want about U2 haha they :mad:

and lol@ going full throttle with U2 at evo.

cheap cheap cheap.

My troll roll for the day…

OK, so I don’t know if you guys were watching the Break stream last night, but basically Art lost to KDZ and was salty over it. Abel-bashing, Brainless… etc.

I made a comment in the stream chat, that Art disagreed with, when I said that people bitch about Breathless all day, but that shit almost never hits.

So I decided to count. I might look at the rest of the videos later, but in the Arturo v. KDZ set, which lasted 2 matches, KDZ attempted Breathless 4 times, and he hit with it once… off a dizzy.

Obviously, that’s just one set between two players, so it’s not something we can draw conclusions from… but it’s the set that launched a pretty longwinded Abel bitching session, during which Breathless came under fire… and there was precisely zero reason for Art to have been particularly annoyed with Breathless at that point in time.

I understand that Breathless makes you change the way you play, and I’m not completely dismissing that, but in terms of the comment I made… I stand by it. Outside of the matches where it is genuinely brainless to use (like Gief or Rog… and honestly, even Gief isn’t brainless, because you have to push Gief into a corner before the set-up gets to be really stupid… and that’s not easy. And even still if you happen to guess wrong, you may have just given up your whole round, because Gief will put you on your back in the corner. Good luck fighting out of that), and there are very few of those fights… it is really difficult to actually land Breathless on a competent player. As random as the Abel/Abel fight is, I never get hit with Breathless in that fight.

Generally speaking, there was also overall bitching about Abel as a character, and I still argue that he’s not as bad as people say he is. Abel’s dumbass mix-ups are silly… no question… but they also carry huge risk. Even attempting a single TT is a HUGE gamble. A character like Rufus gets stupid pressure all day long, without ever having to commit to anything remotely risky. Abel doesn’t have that luxury. Abel’s are evolving to the point at which they are getting better at minimizing that risk, but it’s still there. Abel’s braindead 50/50’s carry a risk that other characters’ vortex doesn’t carry at all.

As for general tiering, I still think Abel is top 5, but I think Rufus, Chun and Akuma are better than Abel (and worse than just being better than Abel, I think they all beat Abel heads-up). The US lacks really strong Akuma/Chun play on a large scale, and Japan hasn’t had any real competitions yet, but I firmly believe once SSF4 sees arcade release, everyone is gonna see. Abel is good as fuck in Super, but he’s not like that.

hahah yeah art was salty on fb… but he said he’s not really salty about breathless but abel+how kdz plays abel, callin him a scrub lol…

haha I was laughing when Art said Brainless. We use that term here in Vegas. It’s funny, and partially true.

Also it’s good if it’s not being randomly thrown out all the time. If you use it smart you can get it to land almost all the time, and it’s really not that hard.

I don’t know… I think “using it smart” is basically using it in a guaranteed situation, ie. when your opponent fucks up. Against opponents that know what the hell is going on, they’re not gonna give you those obvious opportunities, and you’ll generally be relegated to using it randomly. Otherwise, if you are able to force errors on your opponent’s part, then you earned it, and I don’t see what the bitching is about. In those instances, Soulless is probably just as good, if not better, anyway.

i <3 you hav and nick t and hfz but abel is fucking dumb ass character armor, lol. dont mind me im grinding the matchup (while bitching endlessly the whole way). but yeah, i still stand by my statements (that kdz is fucking garbage, lol) I was talking to chris saying there are no good chun/akuma/rog players in the us to REALLY give abel a hard time. maybe thawk too? but we wont know for sure in the us since there are no good char specialists with those chars. hopefully by evo things will change but i really doubt it.

why is abel cod -3 now? stupid. Punishes that I used to do in SF4 simply dont work outside of command grabs and that’s fucking retarded.
Why did falling sky need to get better?
Why does he even have breathless?
Why is step kick on block always a fuckign guess? I know that was the case in Vanilla, but I’m just bitching, lol. Why did sweep get better?
Why does he have all these buffs despite his bad matches being being heavily nerfed in Abel’s favor now? The reduced damage overall in SSF4 helps Abel, since you cant fucking maul him as easily, lol. And if you do blow him up or get him stunned, youre only giving him a shitload of ultra meter to run it back with (talking about Seth vs Abel)

Most importantly. Why does Abel have mobility + being a grappler + 1050 life? That shit is just dumb. He needs to lose 1 of those 3 in order for him to be “fixed” to say the least.
I’ll give you a prime example of how dumb shit is.
I was playing Ryder at Sp00ky’s house the other day, and he just throws breathless out there. I punished it with ultra 1 with rose (fully charged…) so it did 450 damage. Gave him another ultra. What did he do? woke up breathless again and it hit me for the win. lol. Now I’ll admit that I’m a idiot for getting hit by wakeup breathless in that situation but still…shit is dumb.

the properties of it are fuckign stupid. we tested this shit with cen.
tried to do stuff like low strong fadc backdash (hoping backdash invincibility would blow up breathless at point blank range…but it doesnt.
tried b. short into KKK teleport with sim vs point blank breathless. armor absorbs 1 hit, then sim cant teleport.

It’s not really breathless as a a whole. That’s just the icing on the cake.