FAIR?
the same fair that praises hugo chavez? The same fair that was criticized by the New York Times as being too liberal?
this thread is full of so much dipsh**tery i didnt know where to start. so htanks for that Jan 2002 link.
your logic card was revoked when you decided to argue that criticizing the pres for not being liberal enough precludes you from being liberal yourself.
I know a lot of conv=servatives but I dont know a single one that is a ‘birther’. This is a fringe of the fringe deal. Conservatives/republicans dont beleive this in general. In fact, most of them are embarassed by it, this is why (before Obama released the certificate) they wish the media would stop carrying this story. This is why the white house keeps mentioning it keeping a steady trickle in the headlines I beleive. Everytime he would say some antibirther thing, it would just seem so ridiculous, becuase these birthers are nearly nonexistant. Please list the politicians or media personalities that support this stuff. I would like to know. The media is happy to parade this story out because people love to hate these fools and think they better than others. But these others are like 0.000001% of the pop. They were chomping at the bit to put this back on blast from some dude that was jus trying to Trump up his own brand; this dude is not a serious candidate by his own intentions i beleive. This just more of the sensational ‘news’ crap that I see everyday. I guess you people are the ones giving these news stories all these hits. shame. Way more important issues. but people need to feel important i guess.
The bullshit is your well-trodden, easily dismissed fairy tale that the big bad press is liberal. The press that lied us into war in Iraq, the press that calls for Julian Assange to be tried for treason, the press that conducted a two year smear campaign against Al Gore, a press made up of a millionaire washington press corp that comes down on the side of authority and corporatism every time. A liberal press owned by Rupert Murdoch and some of the largest corporations on the planet.
If you think there is anything liberal about the mainstream media, you are a certified fucking idiot.
And Fishjie I really think you’re smarter than that nonsensical glibertarian crap you spewed on the last page. Maybe you’ve been programming in a cave the past few years but to say a private corporation can inherently do something better and cheaper than the government is ludicrous and side-splittingly laughable.
Easily dismissed? Im sure you easily dismiss all sorts of valid data that doesnt fit your rigid view. Because that is what you have done.
But its a stupid arguement. Its all persepctive. I am very conservative so of course the media seems liberal (generally, but not on all issues) to me (I consider uneccesary wars a liberal act, same with *most *neo-con social issues, what part of conservative is about throwing $$ at unneccesssary/unwinnable wars_getting in peoples pesonal business?) Just like a very liberal person may consider the media to have a conservative slant (like MSNBC opinoin anchors saying that leftist shit doesnt go far enough). Howevr to say there is not “anything” liberal about the mainstream media converage is a bit immature.
It is a pointless argument/diversion, I dont even try. Especially with you P. Gorath. You have the critical thinking skills of a spitball, like most of these other sheep following this birther story that has largely been carried on every station (and I do watch them all) except Fox (conservative) up until ‘the release’.
hahaa.
name calling is dope! productive!
Actually my political memory goes to an unnecessary war that occurred after 2001.
Before 2001, my memory recalls a crackwhore forgoing abortion in favor of giving birth to an oxygen-deprived newborn that would later take the name hubcapsignstop, in an attempt to affect the Earth with the T-Virus. In this case, “T” meaning “Totallly retarded”.
like I said; if it extended back before 2001, you may understand why I believe that. Im assuming you know what the word ‘conservative’ means; If so, do you know why the term ‘neo-conservative’ was coined?
Maybe you shoul;d read up on it. Or just keep calling me names ignoring my arguments. How old you son? You talk like that to peoples face?
some of the promises I wasn’t putting much faith on because I doubted that he had enough information to promise something like that. The view from afar and view from the top are completely different. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/ If this site is to be trusted, he isn’t doing badly in promises kept.
When I spoke about an inept congress, I wasn’t dinstinguishing between parties. The congress when he was elected was inept, the congress that he has is still inept. The tone for how congress was going to handle important issues was set as soon as health care bill hit. We need a brand new congress that isn’t attached to lobbyists before anything close to productive is done.
I would say this to your face. From what I’ve seen out of your posts, worst you can do is bang your helmet-covered head against the window while the short bus takes off.
the government is trillions of dollars in deficit, with no plan whatsoever to reduce it, so i don’t see how you can make the argument that the government does anything better or cheaper. there’s waste, corruption, and incompetence at every level.
Oh, heavens no, don’t actually read the article you’re dismissing out of hand. And especially don’t do it after impugning everybody else’s critical thinking skills.
As for the fringeness of birther bullshit, I’m not sure how you define that, but several states are drafting legislation in response to this conspiracy theory and a potential (presumably mainstream) presidential candidate has gotten in on the action. This isn’t exactly on the margins of society.
You’re making the mistake that liberals aren’t corpratists as well, they are. See Clinton and NAFTA, see how Wall Street donated more to Democrats than Republicans in the 2006 and 2008 elections. The entire “libs are for the little man cons are for the corporations” is complete and utter bullshit. And in the run up to the Iraq war liberals in government were just as much on board with the plan and rallying behind it as the conservatives were.
When it comes down to what’s good for corporations there is virtually no difference between the parties. You get the random populist on either side who shouts out protectionist policies and they are quickly shut down by their piers and passed off as a lunatic, because those policies are not viable in a global economic environment.
And the press has been just as nice helping Obama walk us into Lybia and raise the stakes in Afghanistan.
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of course I read it and it fits nicely into why I think the whole media bias argument is stupid, so I didnt really even dismiss it. The article is basically a vehicle to attack Bernie Goldberg in 2002, who I could care less about. There is very little data and alot of anectodalesque one offs. At one point they note that republicans have enjoyed more newspaper endorsements then democrats since 1932. Nobody cares about 1932 media (never mind republicans and democratic parties were both alot diff then then now), heads are talking about present. If you want to look at when that article was written, GWB had the whole dang country behind him in 2000, i remember even hiphop stars like Puffy, Shyne, Busta Rhymes openly supported him; does that mean rap music doesnt have a liberal/socialist slant?. This is just where the country was at that point (also like to mention he ran on a campaign against foriegn intervention and nation building). Gore was not popular. The election after that article was written Kerry was ahead of Bush in newspaper endorsments Im sure.
maybe cherry-pick something in that article that I should be enriching to the arguement. Because it all looks like handwaving to me.
But again;
This is a stupid argument. In order to claim that the media has a bias (liberal or otherwise) you have to set an objective standard. Who is going to do that, you? me? FAIR? Establishing an objective standard for the spectrum of political opinoin is not going to happen ever. So keep believing whatever type FAIR crap you read, and im sure SRK will continue to do the same. I just dont think this type of argument is productive at all.
And i wasnt impugning everyone’s critthinking skills, just P.Gorths (and I was more of making a point than being serious), if youve read one political post from him, youve read them all. He is a robot. hahaa
Trump is brewsters millions in reverse. And what exactly is this legislation? To require the long-form OG birth certificate in future ballots? All this would do in the future is make sure an embarrassing fiasco like this doesnt happen again, highjacking the national conversation by condemning a damn conspiracy theory that barely exists. Ahaa that sounds pretty good to you right? hahaa, no of course not; you automatically assert this is a direct attack on Obama; and what would the media do without these juicy sensational morsels? hahaa, fall in line son. Pressure and fear that these bills will be perceived as racist, Obama-speficic attacks will shut most of them down i think anyways.
This first round of bullshit would only be germane if I had first alleged that there is a Republican media bias and offered the article as evidence for that, which I didn’t. While the author seems to think so, I only really give a crap insofar as it pokes holes in the silly notion of liberal media bias.
Which would only be germane to this conversation if, rather than attempting to placate a vocal minority, the state governments of Georgia and Louisiana were merely acting out of embarrassment that the image of our clear-headed and rational nation is being sullied by these awful birther characters.
(To Arizona’s credit, their own legislation has died, but, nevertheless, it was drafted and presented by politicians who presumably take their jobs and themselves more or less seriously.)
I asserted no such thing. You claimed that the birthers reside in the fringe of society, and I responded that their beliefs are more widespread than that, citing state legislation as an example of the evidence. I’m beginning to think that your reading comprehension is making par with your command of punctuation.
When polled less than two months ago, 40% of Republicans and about 25% of all citizens answered “yes” that Obama “probably or definitely was not born in America”. Do 40% of Republicans and 25% of American citizens qualify as being on the fringe?
Lest I forget to mention it, that poll was conducted by CNN. If anybody wants to entertain the fantasy that the poll is now completely discredited simply by virtue of being conducted by the “Commie News Network”, please let me know so that I may interpret your posts ironically from now on.
I’m amazed at times people just sat there and actually believed he was going to pull off so many of these “promises”. If other presidents didn’t do it why many thought he would?