why is this so funny
nice interview with Vince Gilligan
http://blogs.amctv.com/breaking-bad/2012/09/vince-gilligan-interview-part-i.php
edit:added part 2
http://blogs.amctv.com/breaking-bad/2012/09/vince-gilligan-interview-part-ii.php
I feel like any insight on this show is awesome. I wish Mad Men got the same attention.
Pretty certain the guns he was hoarding has to do with his [former] dealings with the Czech. I think Hank will be the least of his worries in the next 8 eps.
The guy who plays Saul Goodman has been a comedian since I can remember.
U KIDDIN ME? everybody on Mad Men
BB wouldnt be the same without Saul Goodman
Mad Men’s not that popular. It’s a show that AMC gets behind because it shows the quality that the network is capable of, but when you get down to it, it does ho-hum business.
Breaking Bad and Walking dead are probably the top AMC shows. They make such good quality shows.
Goddammit, I was just about to post this.
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You’re out of your mind if you don’t think Mad Men is a good show. In many ways it’s better than BB because it manipulates emotions better. The supporting cast also have deep stories themselves. It’s a constant struggle to get to be top dog in the ad business while Don Draper is a conflicted character who doesn’t know when enough is enough.
I love BB, but Mad Men is high caliber. Even when it had a bad season, it came back hard and picked up the slack.
Dangerous to get into a discussion of which show is better. Better just to say that whoever watches both shows is a winner twice over.
But I love both shows because of the storytelling skill involved…
Breaking Bad, you’re watching this detached devious criminal dude and yet you care more about him and are more invested into his outcome now then when he was just a family man with cancer that just wanted to make sure his family was okay.
What about his brother in law that got shot in the line of duty and is a good guy policeman that catches drug dealers and criminals? Nah, no one cares about him, tell us about Walt.
Man Men, you’re so invested into these characters even though if you think about it…there’s no redeeming qualities any of them have that you should sympathize with. They are all white men being all racist and sexist and crying because they are bored cheating on their wives. Why should we care about these morally bankrupt and deplorable people? I don’t know, but I can’t get enough! I want Don to have everything he wants, even though if I knew him in real life I’d want to murder him!
It speaks to the quality of these shows that present them in such a structure and context that you’re just so heavily invested in them…even though if you just stop for a second to think about it, there’s no logical reason you should still be sympathizing with these protagonists. They’re all douchebags.
That’s what’s so good about these shows.
And it’s actually my biggest gripe with The Walking Dead. I don’t care about any of those characters. I actually wouldn’t care at all if they all died. Solid show still, but by those merits, I just don’t personally like it as much as Breaking Bad or Mad Men. They are just…better at making me care.
I don’t mean to put down Breaking Bad, but if you twisted my arm, I would admit a preference for Mad Men. It’s subtler for sure, but in that subtlety is a much finer-grained level of control over visual storytelling. I don’t remember who it was, but the style of Mad Men is such that it’s like having a new mini Eric Rohmer movie every week.
(Obviously, this was said in the middle of a season, when there were new episodes coming on every week.)
But like I said, that’s not a slur against Breaking Bad, which has its own great bag of tricks that it uses with virtuosity.
I was never able to get into Madmen. When it comes down to it, i watch arrested development for lols, and breaking bad for the suspense / drama.
One major strength Breaking Bad has is the individual skill of it’s principle actors.
Like if you had to run out a starting five…maybe Team Mad Men has a stronger team overall 1 through 5, but Team Breaking Bad just has that superstar power.
Breaking Bad
C - WW
PF - Jesse
SF - Hank
SG - Mike
PG - Skyler
Mad Men
C - Don
PF - Peggy
SF - Roger
SG - Peter
PG - Joan
If it was Betty still then I would have called it a wash, because while she was the original cold hearted blonde bitch you loved to hate, Skyler’s kind of refined it a bit in the later seasons while Betty hasn’t had as much playing time lately because of fatness/conditioning issues/pregnancy. But now that Joan’s the starter…shit, I don’t know if there’s anything in the Breaking Bad universe that compares.
You don’t want Marie or Lydia against Joan, that’s just a matchup nightmare all day.
The wings I think I also have to give to Mad Men…Roger and Pete are just too amazing of supporting characters to mess with, no one is cooler than Roger and there’s no one you want to punch in the face more than Pete. Mike maybe had the best moment out of all of them with the half measures speech, but Hank’s been underused so far…outside of his love for [S]rocks[/S] minerals, but that looks to be changing in the last season. That bit about him remembering his old job marking trees? Just a primer, it’s going to be like that every game next season.
Hank Schrader for Most Improved Player next season for sure.
So it’s close and the bench is tough too…does Dickless Harry, Rape Troll Megan, Sally, Creepy Glen etc. measure up to Gus, Saul, Marie, and all those wacky Mexicans? Still, overall…Mad Men.
But consider the frontcourt, which is most important…
Cranston/Hamm is probably the more titanic match-up in television, you can put up I AM THE ONE THAT KNOCKS against The Carousel any day and get a different answer from everyone. But Cranston’s beaten him to the Emmy like three straight times though, you can’t fuck with that. It’s like Shaq/Hakeem.
It’s hard to beat the subtlety and teacher/mentor angles and ego and pride and stuff from from the Don/Peggy relationship, but I think Walter/Jesse just overpowers in terms of size and scope. The monologues from Breaking Bad are INSANE, they are so good. Like once a season Jesse gets into this rant about how Walter’s ruined his life or whatever…he’s amazing.
Storytelling-wise I think it’s hard to beat Mad Men - the sense of characterization is so strong, overarching plots that run through every season are so well refined, the universe they’ve created (or facsimiled, I guess…since the 60’s actually happened) is so enveloping, and just the VISUAL shots they do (ie. just from the last season, from recent memory - that shot of Don, Roger, and Pete looking at Lane or when they’re all looking through the window on the empty floor at the end) is insane.
But for Breaking Bad…whenever they have a monologue coming up, I can’t blink. Jesse’s bit about Walt ruining his life and destroying everything he touches…fuck, just one of the many individually strong performances the show bangs out.
And just watching like the tiny subtleties of Walter’s performances…like how this season he’s essentially emulated Gus’ demeanor or in the earlier seasons when he went crazy looking for cash under the floorboards, or right after he explodes the fake meth in Tuco’s place and essentially like orgasms from adrenaline clutching the money in his car…it’s like, holy shit when did the dad from Malcolm In the Middle become one of the greatest actors alive?
Fuck, I said it wouldn’t do us any good to compare the shows, damn you Goody, talking about the great subtlety of Mad Men, look at what you’ve done.
I prefer the expansive scope of Breaking Bad far more than Mad Men; and from an aesthetic standpoint Breaking Bad has the best cinematography and experimental viewpoints I’ve ever seen in a tv show. PERIOD.
Also, the subject matter and explicit moral dualism is far more engaging in my opinion.
But as I’ve said in the Mad Men thread, it all boils down to preference as both shows are superb beyond anything else on network television.
They are apples and oranges.
They are both the best at what they do.
Mad Men is a drama about identity and self worth/satisfaction that has arched over multiple years with a varied and rich cast.
Breaking Bad is an action drama about one man’s battle with pride and how his decisions are affecting everything and everyone around him. It’s also ONE contained story. This is both it’s greatest strength and weakness when comparing it to other shows. Unlike Mad Men the show is snowballing to a climax and has been getting better and better with each season.
Same thing with the Wire, it’s kind of like if Mad Men and Breaking Bad had a baby in terms of episode structure/plot stuff and the baby grew up and got married to Baltimore. You get the crime of Breaking Bad, combined with the time jumps of mad men and deep characters, it might be the best of both worlds. Also black people.
I really don’t know what my favorite out of the three is. I’ve probably watched the Wire the most out of the three. It seems to hold up the best. I recently watched the first season of Mad Man and I totally forgot how much of a pussy Don Draper was.
If you had to make me pick one season of television to watch over and over I’d pick Simpsons season 8, but that is a totally different fruit as well.
the wire wins because of omar and stringer, but just barely
Too bad Hank can’t do much…with him accepting drug money for his rehab and all…
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