You check out the boxingscene site. They might have it.
If you’re referring to me, I’m not gonna argue with you, and i’m not siding with pacman nor pbf. It’s just something I noticed that kind of makes sense.
what a lame attempt to discredit a legitimate concern, namely to call someone a dick rider if he’s just pointing out the obvious. whether the writer of the article is objective or not is irrelevant: the point is that mayweather always seems to conveniently find a way to make it harder to make the ‘dream fight’ possible. it’s ridiculous to think that the purse shouldn’t be split 50/50 if he and pacquiao ever fight; mayweather needs to stop choking on his own semen and realize that pacquiao is the p4p best boxer right now, not him so he shouldn’t be making silly comments like that (that’s a fact whether you like it or not). and before you start talking shit or whatever keep in mind i’m not a fan of pacquiao but i love boxing and generally support mexican boxers. frankly, i’m annoyed at both sides for not making the fight happen but it doesn’t help mayweather’s credibility one bit by being a little bitch and wagging his tongue instead of trying to be constructive.
What do you mean he seems to find it harder for the dream fight to occur, it’s like people are forgetting the demands Pacquiao and Roach were putting down.
10 million find per pound over the limit. This would actually bother me more than a couple tea spoons of blood, for the simple fact that even if I could make the 147lb weight limit it would put me under more pressure to make the weight which would ruin training.
Roach even said the fight has to be in March, then said in the same interview that Mayweather wouldn’t accept that. That’s actually funny because unlike Mayweather, it’s clear that Roach didn’t expect Floyd to meet their demands.
I don’t understand why people are moaning about the pursue issue. Pacquiao wouldn’t fight Cotto or Hatton until he got the bigger percentage both fights almost got called off. There’s also the issue of weight draining Cotto for their welterweight fight.
All of this shit is selective viewing. I don’t see how people can call Mayweather a bitch, chicken etc. when shortly after his fight with Pacquiao didn’t go through, he signed a fight with Mosley, the no.1 ranked Welterweight and pound for pound no.3
But most people cannot deny the fact that PBF was cornered and was nonetheless forced to sign the contract. I, for one, do not believe that PBF wanted this fight. I’m not gonna place my hopes on both pacman and PBF until both their actual upcoming fight really happens.
When Mayweather doesn’t fight someone, he gets shit on and when he does people still doubt him. So which is it?
“Do you really think Floyd Mayweather Jr. should be given credit for taking a fight with Sugar Shane Mosley? I dont think Floyd would have taken this fight if he wasnt forced to do so. His back was against the wall on this one. If he didnt fight Shane, hed be labeled a coward for ducking opponents. In short, he had no way out. Thats just my opinion. Hes probably wishing he had announced an earlier fight with a cherry-picked opponent with the likes of Paulie Malignaggi.”
Will Avestro
San Diego
Will, Im not sure I get your logic. He negotiated to fight the No. 1 pound-for-pound guy in the world. When that fight couldnt be made, he didnt take a fight with someone like Clottey; he took a bout against the No. 3 pound-for-pound fighter in the world. What does he have to do to please some of you people? If he doesnt take the fight you want him to take, you label him a chicken. If he does, you say he didnt want to. He hasnt been pushed much since moving to welterweight and thats a blight on his career. But hes now insisting hes taking on all comers and hes proving that by his actions. Ill be the first to scream bloody murder if he attempts to fight lightly regarded guys from other divisions. But when he signs to fight the elite guys in his weight class, he should be commended. And heres another strange thing: Right around Christmas, when the drug testing dispute between Mayweather and Pacquiao became public, Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum said publicly he was trying to arrange a fight with Malignaggi. Arent you being hypocritical for criticizing Mayweather for even thinking of that without criticizing Pacquiao for the same thing?
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-boxmailbag020910&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
I never excused pacquiao, roach, arum & co. from all this. In my earlier post i expressed disappointment in both sides regarding failure to arrange this fight. I’m not gonna debate the details like who didn’t agree to what when it seems like both sides seem to be pointing the finger at one another and nothing seems settled. Personally, i just feel that all this steroid bullshit was just misdirection on the mayweather camp for whatever reason. it’s just funny how they can make unfounded claims like that and demand rigorous olympic style testing all of a sudden (which is ironic as xylocaine would be considered illegal under such testing, something that mayweather is documented as using).
Also, the reason why pacquiao wanted to arrange the fight in march is because there are congressional elections in the philippines come spring. Pacquiao has always had political aspirations in his native country so don’t try to pretend it’s a conspiracy on their part to ‘rush’ the fight. The people making unreasonable demands were the mayweathers, not roach’s camp. I just fucking hate how mayweather spouts all kinds of garbage out of his mouth while demanding a majority of the purse with pacquiao—should they ever fight. I hate cocky, shit-talking boxers because it’s just annoying and only hurts the sport; especially when it is designed to daunt future negotiations should they ever happen again. I don’t know the deal with malignaggi but if that’s true then i agree that’s lame as that fighter’s a fucking joke. I may be biased against mayweather for my own reasons but don’t try to depict me as a pacquiao apologist when i’m just stating the obvious. BTW he took the fight with moseley because moseley has been calling him out for years and now he finally has his shot. pacquiao demanding more of the purse when he fought hatton/cotto is reasonable----hatton was overrated we can all agree and just a bruiser with no talent while cotto, even though a much much better boxer than hatton, was on the come back trail after losing to that cheat margarito. mayweather has no right to make those kinds of demands when pacquiao is #1, not him. maybe i’m just pissed at the fact that roach’s camp didn’t just sign onto the bout even though they opted for the ‘high road’ whatever that is just to shut up mayweather once and for all. whatever happens, if both sides don’t agree to a future fight some day, then shame on them for denying the people what they deserve.
Arreola vs Adamek April 24th. http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=22863&more=1 I feel Arreola should win this one because of his experience & weight over Adamek. The only way Adamek could win is that he should have a gameplan similar to Vitali when he fought Arreola. Always stick & move & when Chris tries to get in there & bangs on him he should tie up & create some space away from Arreola.
Mayweather jr has his doubts about whether Pacquiao is clean. That’s fair enough the place to get this shit sorted out is before the fight, not afterwards. It’s not a case of him saying ‘‘Pacquiao, you’re taking steroids and now I’m going to bust you’’.
People jump on the xycolaine bandwagon without knowing the full details. In Nevada, you’re allowed to use it up till a week before the fight.
Which is why they were perfectly happy to fight in May, then they said it had to be in March, then they said 10 mil a pound over the limit. Each time they made these suggestions they said Mayweather wouldn’t accept the terms. How that looks is clear as day, if you can’t see it, that’s your shit.
Also Mayweather spouts all kind of shits. Both Roach, Pacquiao and Arum said at one point there is no way Floyd would get 50:50. Also do you honestly believe Pacquiao’s camp would go for 50:50 if the Pac/Clottey fight does higher numbers than Mayweather/Mosley?
Tyson, Ali, James Toney, Naseem Hammed, Vargas. These fighters talked a lot. It doesn’t hurt the sport, it gets people talking. It brings numbers.
1 million + ppv buys is not hurtful to the sport.
Mosley called Mayweather out because he’s looking for a big meal ticket. It’s like people forget that Mayweather called Mosley out when the guy was undefeated.
Mosley’s response was ‘‘Right now my tooth hurts’’ ‘‘I’m going to go on some vacations’’.
That’s why I find it funny when people say ‘‘He was backed into a corner to face Mosley’’. He wanted the guy when he was at his peak.
When Sugar Ray Leonard fought Haggler, Haggler was the champion at the time, Leonard had just come out of retirement. I’m pretty sure Leonard earned the most in that fight.
It’s not so much about ranking it’s what each party brings to the table. I personally feel that the fight should be 60:40 winner takes all but it isn’t outrageous for Mayweather to demand more if he proves himself to be a bigger ppv attraction.
You make some very good points gunner. I still remain a bit unconvinced about whether mayweather’s concerns are really legitimate though but you’re probably right regarding the purse issue. BTW i hated naseem hamed and vargas cause they were shit talkers who got knocked the fuck out, their just dessert. I guess it’s debatable whether tyson helped boxing but in the long term i’d say he did despite his crazy tendencies. AFAIK, pacquiao & mayweather need to put their egos aside and get this shit rolling eventually if they are both victors in their respective fights. I’ll just leave it at that.
It’s good to see Chris Arreola boxing again after getting worked by klitschko. I felt that they pushed him to take that fight too early in his career as it seems he’s still developing his game. He has great power and has a great chin but he needs to take it to another level to be on the top level in the heavyweight division. It’s good to have good discussions/debates like these instead of “no u!!” arguments. It’s obvious you guys aren’t jaded fans but appreciate the sport and that’s cool. I’ll try not to pollute the thread with more flame-worthy posts!
it’s really not even worth the effort to call you on your nonsense. but that article you posted was some hyper opinionated garbage. if you agree with the guy then fine, but you obviously already felt that way beforehand so to type some shit like “yeah, now that i think about it this guy is right!” shit as if he’s dropping some knowledge is fucking dumb as hell.
the chain of events between pac & mayweather is clear. you can draw whatever conclusions you want, but from the beginning pacquiao and his people have always been the ones saying the fight wouldn’t take place and then lo and behold at the end of the day when they ultimately had the final decision to make the fight didn’t end up happening.
check your facts dude! srl gave hagler most of the purse so he can have all other demands, like 12rds and larger ring size, that’s why hagler lost that fight because all he cared about was the money… he lost sight that srl was maneuvering to give himself all the advantages during the fight.
exactly the reason why pac won’t give in to all pbf’s demands because last time he gave blood that close to a fight, he lost… to you, you don’t care because you aren’t him [pac].
@ thurst
You really need to read the thread more closely because i wasn’t even the one who posted that link in the first place. I just stated that the author’s obvious bias was irrelevant because it raised a good point. There’s a huge difference between making an accurate prediction and deliberately stalling a process that was well-arbitrated for the sake of slandering someone. As soon as Mayweather Sr. made his steroid allegations he effectively threw a wrench into the whole thing. But we already went through this so i’ll just take your own advice and not deal with this ‘nonsense’. We obviously have our own opinions on this matter and I guess the truth will come out in court eventually. Good grief.
edit: i remember reading the Times and they had stated that pacquiao & co. agreed to testing 14-days prior to the fight AND immediately thereafter. I don’t think any credible journalist would just bullshit that simply because they ‘chose a side’. one can look at this both ways i guess but ultimately that wasn’t good enough for mayweather for whatever reason, despite the fact that experts (hate that word) concluded that would be sufficient to determine any doping. something tells me mayweather isn’t smarter than scientists who do that stuff for a living.
You’re right, Hagler did earn more than Leonard. It doesn’t mean what I’m saying is incorrect. De La Hoya vs Mayweather, DLH received the bigger share despite being ranked lower than Mayweather. He earned more than Hopkins
Also saying that all Hagler cared about that fight was money is stupid. To this day the man is vex about losing the fight, I personally don’t feel Sugar Ray won that fight either.
Morales outboxed him, he didn’t lose because he gave blood he lost because Morales was too much for him on that night. Seriously, the amount of excuses I’ve heard for that fight ‘‘Winning gloves’’ ‘‘Weight issues’’ ‘‘Blood loss’’.
Besides 14 days before the fight gives you more time than a couple of days.
what was correct in what you said?
hagler has noone to blame but himself, he was outnegotiated. plain and simple. of course, he wanted to win the fight, who doesn’t? what i meant was in the negotiations, all he cared was about the money that he forgot srl was planning to out do him in the negotiations cause if srl knows he can’t beat hagler straight up.
My point is being ‘‘number one’’ isn’t the only factor in pursue split. It’s what each of them bring to the table. I don’t think it’s outrageous demanding more if his ppv outsells Pacquiao’s.
I don’t think he forgot he just didn’t think it would have a noticeable affect on the fight which it didn’t. Hagler fought his fight, Leonard fought his fight. The majority decision went to Leonard.
Don’t know how reliable this is, but it looks like Clottey could be Pacquiao’s last fight if a fight with Mayweather doesn’t happen.
Now tell me, what does this thing here gonna lead into?
I’m not trying to be a racist or anything but, Man, do you guys really talk sh*t like that(with those censored words)? It sounded like it had some issues other than boxing.
You know I don’t agree with Roger Mayweather on anything except for what he said about adapting to a fighter. Every fighter has a gameplan until they get hit & it all goes out the window. Also didn’t anyone catch this past friday night fights on ESPN?
Yo anyone gonna catch the pacquiao/clottey fight this weekend?