Boxing Thread

I can understand why people might be putting Manny at the top of their lists, especially in the week following, but I can’t comprehend how anyone could even make that argument. Maybe if Cotto didn’t get crumpled (regardless of if Margarito was cheating) little more than year ago then didnt just barely made it by Clottey. I didn’t even want Floyd to fight De La Hoya or Hatton because Oscar just isn’t relevant outside of sales and I was never convinced Hatton was that great anyway.

As far as Manny as a boxer himself, I just see too many glaring vulnerabilities in his style that many of his opponents outside of Marquez even have the counter punching ability to capitalize on. It’s almost the same benefit thrust upon Floyd because so many people keep wanting to see him fight people that come toward him based on a perception from a fight that happened nearly eight years ago. I mean the guy is literally smiling when hes against the ropes. Although it is exciting to have two forward moving fighters against each other it just doesnt really prove much in Manny’s case, at least to me. To his credit though other than Marquez there is a terrible drought in good defensive/counter punchers.

I see it as if Manny is now the guy to beat. The “guy to beat” is no longer PBF. Floyd needs to consider that when he’s talking about how awesome he is.

Once you put the truth in this statement ( the fact that he’s fighting legitimate opponents) your argument is flat.

He’s stating facts the same way you are right? You can state things and be completely bias which is what he did which is why I think he is a loud mouthed moron.

Also why should he say on air who he’s going to fight next? I wouldn’t let someone bully or dictate to me what I should do. He fights who he wants in his own time, that guy isn’t his boss.

‘What did Cotto do after fighting Margarito, beat Jennings and struggled against Clottey’. Selective viewing at it’s finest.

Manny outboxed and beat up his opponents. What you gave here, manny has done both sides while PBF has done one.

Using things within a video game as an example for your argument towards boxing is just sad.

Styles are a golden rule… but why are you using styles as a major factor for your argument, don’t you realize that the weight of this “style” talk is that little now? Performances to styles, manny has shown two have a masterclass of both.

Your last paragraph is just a bunch of excuses, especially with the Hatton part about him not being “mentally” the same. That’s a hilarious analysis considering the fact that Hatton was ten times more confident against Pac than he was against floyd because of his trainer, and the fact that he was fighting manny at his best weight.

As opposed to shock horror on the faces of the families who are outside the ring watching the boxer they’re related to get wreckd and somehow make this conclusive proof of how one boxer is better than another?

Daigo is better than Justin Wong because Daigo gets cheered harder!

The fact that you’re thinking I’m serious with that bullshit is what’s sad. Turn your sarcasm meter on, genius.

This shit is ridiculous. Just like every other “Pacquiao is going to win because he beats people up better.” vs “Mayweather is going to win because he always gets a lot of points.” arguement, the shit is ridiculous. From the department of redundancy department.

I’m a Mayweather fan and Pacquiao fan, so honestly I don’t even care what way it goes; I just want to see a good fight. What gets me is these empty reasons for debate.

coming from the guy who couldn’t understand how a fighter could weigh in at one weight and then be heavier the next day…regardless i thought pac would ultimately win the fight so i don’t see how exactly i had “shit analysis”

Well, it looks like the chances for a PBF/Pac are at 60%… i do think it’s up to Manny (not floyd) now and not floyd because most of the sources i read says that PBF is up for it… Pac needs to say it straight… but as Pac said “he wants to take a vacation” so that minuses the %. However, i do recall Pac being interviewed right after the PBF/JMM match saying that he wants to go against PBF. He likes going against trash talkers the most because they sell the fights.

Our opinions on Pac saying he wants a vacation doesn’t matter, lets just hope Pac shifts decision and gives us what we want and that the fight happens early with in next year.

Some guy said Pac is the man to beat now, i respectfully disagree. Your lord believes both men are equally the ones to beat which is why this fight is that anticipated. PBF (or the Mayweathers in general - especially with FMW Sr) can hype fights so damn much with the Punk Bitch, Trash Talking, and Villain like antics/promos. This is the reason why (or atleast my opinion) i favored the whole Hatton fued than Cottos. It was just more exciting due to the massive trash talk and arrogance from FMW. For some reason, i was more entertained from the Hatton fight than this one, and maybe because Cotto is a nice guy and there were no shit talks from both sides so the anticipation & excitement wasn’t just like Hatton for me. The greatest poster watched Pac/Hatton, and their 24/7 over and over again because it entertaining regardless of the length of the match. The win was more celebrated and for some reason needed.

A Pac/PBF match will cause ground breaking thrills from the early promotions to the aftermath. PBF will most likely be completely bad ass (much more than Tyson probably) in the promotions with him and his father talking massive shit towards the Pacquiao camp and fans. Shit is going to be off the hook that the whole country of the Philippines and the Filipinos all over the world would get pissed the fuck off at the Mayweathers camp for all the shit they give out and probably be more obsessed with Manny kicking PBF’s ass morem than even Roach. We’ll probably even see roach snap at some of FMW’s comments and have both camps rumbling in on each other during the pre-fight conference. That’s the reason why i like PBF allot, he’s undeniably great. His style is intelligent, and above all he really makes the matches sell.

We need this fight, ASAP. We really do…

Do i think Manny can beat PBF? Yes, i do… but not completely. 50/50 for me, because i don’t like to make predictions and PBF can’t be underestimated just like that. The majority of the 50% in Manny’s side is because i know that the Pacquiao camp have been studying PBF for a LONG TIME. They’ve been advanced for their gameplan long before so atm, my belief in Pacquiao goes to the long thought out strategy he has for floyd.

Cotto is good proof that Manny can handle PBF, because Cotto was part of that high calibur and 100% himself or even better in his bout against Manny their is no excuses for the massive punishment he took from Pacquiao. He lost and he got destroyed, cleanly. Period.

The whole Pac/PBF resume comparison is ridiculous because in the end they still need to get in the ring together and one has to win. Even if Pac holds a “better” resume atm, what good is it if he does loose to PBF? i do agree that Manny’s win record quality have surpassed PBF because of the decimation with in Pac’s matches, but it’s still a “so what?” to the greatest poster. Because in the end, the only thing left for both of these men is to fight and win cleanly.

Mikkel Kessler vs. Andre Ward, Oakland, CA

Heading out to the Oracle Arena to support bay area local, Andre Ward, in his quest to become the number one fighter and champion of the Super Middleweight division.

Looking forward to seeing another Bay Area champion along with Nonito Donaire.

Hell yeah, do you have good seats?

Apparently Kessler got schooled? I will watch the fight on youtube or download it after I finish up on my assignments ( motivation).

The Pacquiao and Mayweather business is both a blessing and curse for boxing. It’s kinda eclipsing all other events and fights in the sport. I hope if the fight happens ( May 1st is the date they’re planning for it I think least Mayweather’s people are meeting Arum sometime soon) I hope they have a good undercard.

It’s actually a good opportunity for rising stars to make a name for themselves and gain fans. Which is why I think Chavez Jr is a disgrace.

Yeah Kessler got schooled badly. First fight I’ve seen Andre Ward and that guy is good. He needs to clean up some of his wild swings though.

People were making comparisons between him and BHop? I guess it will be clearer when I see the fight.

Yeah I remember reading about Andrew Ward when I was back north! Gold Gloves, right? Or was it Gold Medal? I think gold medal.

Anyway, let me know how the fight turns out! Champ in the making :wgrin:

Ward is really good.

I remember him raping everybody in the Olympics some years back. Wish he fought on HBO instead of Showtime or at least had better promoting or something. I get the feeling that he isn’t as known as he should be given his skills.

I know he won Gold, but he was a Gold Gloves boxer as well IIRC.

Champ in the making? He’s the WBA champ right now :stuck_out_tongue:

Also who does Carl Froch fight next, I want to seem him exposed. For whatever reason I can’t warm to that fucker he just seems like a pub prick. Lol answered my own question he will be fighting Kessler next.

Haters are making excuses already.

You have many people that think Floyd would continue being second to Manny if he were to beat him.

Also I caught the Ward and Kessler fight, it’s a shame he didn’t get a stoppage win. The way he dominated the fight it’s what he deserved I think as the tourny is done point based.

At least we will find out one or later. Pac says he want to fight Mayweather and now talks are official. =)

Stage 2 of the Super Six is set.

Dirrell vs. Abraham
Kessler vs. Froch
Taylor vs. Ward