hmmm interesting that could be my problem but if that is true i guess i was both wrong and right.
cheese master: i will test it out again i guess i might be wrong, the only reason i said it is because i already tested it before(with rc wakeups not roll) and discussed it with ppl at ecc so i was pretty sure you couldnt. i dont know anymore 
wthā¦this is the second time ive seen this conversation popup.
rolls, ARE invincible on startup. this is a KNOWN fact, nothing new.
so go into training mode, knock yourself down, roll on wakeup. the word āreversalā pops up. if you cant do it, your timing just sucks. its really not THAT hard.
if this isnt enough proof for you, assuming the word āreversalā pops up on like 1-3 frames, or something like that,
and you want to test a perfect reversal, heres how to test it definitively.
go into training mode, set the opponent to bison and record it knocking you down, and do the sweep for a meaty. dont mess with sagat c. fierce, that takes timing that you obviously dont have. do a meaty slide as wakeup, it hits for a billion frames. now wake up. roll out of it. very simple. you CAN roll wakeup, therefore you CAN RC wakeup.
this is sooo straightforward. geez.
Hereās something to considerā¦
When sak does RC fireburst (not really a ball is it?) I think her invincibility might run out just before the FB comes out.
Maybe only if you cancel your roll on the very last possible frame so you donāt get as much invincibility (is that how it works? i dunno)
But Iām pretty sure Iāve seen Sak get hit out of RC FB when she sticks her arms out and before the FB animates. Maybe? I dunnoā¦ Iāll have to go test it I guess.
However, I donāt think this is what happenned in the video. Just something to consider. 
RC Fierce fireball - invincibility runs out before hitting frames start
RC Jab fireball - invincibility is there until sometime after first hitting frames.
Repercussion - RC Jab fireball will beat RC Fierce fireball if done at the same time.
EDIT: Ok, on second thought im not sure about when the invincibility frames end. I just know that RC JAb will beat RC Fierce if executed at the same time. But I just had another thought, the jab fireball might be āoutā when the fierce one is starting to come outā¦ so it might interrupt the fierce fireball before it is out far enough to hitā¦ so the invincibility on the fierce fireball might end just a little bit after the āballā starts to come outā¦ now ive gotten myself confusedā¦ lol :rolleyes:
EDIT: damn i had a lot of typos in that post
just to add another opinion on it (well itās not even opinion, itās proven fact):
you can, without a doubt, roll on wakeup vs even the meatiest attacks. have bison throw you, then slide at you as a meaty. it has 35 frames of active hitting with NO breaks. you can roll even when its performed at its most meatiestā¦ and you will get the āreversalā message. that being said, you can roll and cancel (ie roll cancel) into a special move on wakeup. why do you think chun players wakeup legs every time. cause its ROLL CANCELEDā¦ and you can combo after it hits of course.
in cvs1, rolls were not invulnerable on the first frame, in cvs2 they are.
so anywayā¦ the fact of the matter isā¦ you can RC on wakeup.
god damn tragic owned me up!
i better tell the canadians at ecc who also told me you couldnt rc on wakeup when my friend was telling me you could :lol:
pictures helpadudeout grinning:bluu:
No Defence is for real. I got caught by the craziest 720 setups when I played his Maki :eek:. Thanks for the feedback man. I personally play K-groove exculsively now though.
Sigley is top tier.
He picks K-groove and does run up short, short, short, short, short, short, short, shortā¦ Sometimes even a super comes out! I think the best K-groove guys are Raiden, Terry, otherā¦ That way I can do sweep x 1000 to win. Man, makes me want to stop using deordorant and move to New Jersey. :lol: (Iām in no way implying that the two are related of courseā¦)
People aruging over stupid shit and calling me names:
Are you guys serious? That one dude obviously doesnāt even know me and Iām assuming hasnāt even read any of my previous posts in this forum before. Youāre gonna be calling me insults just like that? Good to see Iāve made an impact here. I have my own little group of haters already. 
My whole Capcom world was shaken for a moment there! Thanks to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, peace and tranquility has once again settled over the SF landscape.
Iām wrong!
You are all right!
Congrats
Sage i donāt need to grin as i already knew you were wrong. Like i need other players to tell me. Itās sad that you had to wait till a more known player to post it for you belive that it was true.
kcxj unfortnatly for you and me i have read your posts. And yes any post i have seen you make is something that some other player has posted before.
Wow youāre a fuckin bitch. They were wrong, and they admitted it, big deal. Youāre the one comin in the thread starting shit. You better not jab or tick throw or even block anymore because Iāve definitely seen more well known players than you (whoever the fuck you are) do that first. Obviously if youāve been reading all these posts you know that they are pretty well known players on the EC, even if they donāt win any major tourneys. KCXJ tries to help people out and if he makes a mistake the members here will correct him. But 99% of what they post is correct. Again, youāre a bitch
Sagatās crouch fierce is a good poke
Iām helping! Iām helping! Iām helping you
yeah Cammy st RH, Iām helping! lol
Maybe if you came in this thread to help and tell us to try our shit in the first place instead calling one of my friends names none of this would have happened. think next time before insulting people you dont know. also who cares if kcxj is posting stuff that others players posted before, at least hes trying to help some cvs2 players learn new shit.
edit: enough with this hate lets get back on topic
ps:let me help also, sakuraās standing roundhouse is a good poke!
I personally thought it was a good discussion outside the hate ā¦
this has gone down the drain with all the hate man .I looked at this thread alot. t\Thanks for going over the match helped me see how to be a bison whore 
dude:
What have I posted before that youāre accusing me of plagiarizing from other people?
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/thread19520.php
Read my old posts again buddy. Aside from that and a few other threads I made (now deleted), I made of few posts telling people how I do RC motions. Including all that, everything I post is what I learned from play experience and technical info I learn from other players.
In MvC2, AHVB comes out in one frame. If I told somebody that would I be a still copying posuer, cock sucker etcā¦ etcā¦?
I got where I am right now (whatever thatās suppose to meanā¦), by respecting players who I know are better than I am and always being receptive and open to learning something new. Since people have helped me out in the past, I feel itās only natural for me to return the favor and help out people here, who might used to be where I was (still learning the game etcā¦). You make it sound like Iām some pathetic scrub whoās trying to stroke his own ego or something.
Get off Buktoothās and Gunterās nuts already (all respect to those two of course). Not everybody who posts here and is not them, isnāt automatically an idiotā¦ which is what youāre being by coming on here and making ignorant and insulting posts to somebody youāve never even met before.
Everybody who disagreeās about the wakeup RC thing:
I didnāt believe it myself until after discussing it with other players who I know and respect as skilled CvS2 players (ie. not just Sage). Take that however you will guysā¦
damn scrubs
Fools want to remain fools, I donāt have time to waste on this. This will be my only post in this wretched thread. Sure you can RC on wakeup but it will never beat a properly timed meaty attack. Ricky told me about this a while back, and I have tested and used it.
You guys are still going on about this? If a meaty attack beats your RCed wakeup move then either:
A) you messed up your roll cancel (most likely scenario), or:
B) the meaty attack had more invincibility frames then your roll cancel (or avoided it completely due to hit boxes) or:
C) the move you roll cancelled is so slow, the inviniciblity frames are gone before the move even has a chance to hit; i.e. Cammyās spinning back knuckle or Akumaās demon flip.
Sakuraās RC fierce fireball MIGHT fall into this third category since it is pretty slow, but after watching the video itās very obvious that the attempted RC was just messed up. 2 reasons: Sakuraās low strong hit the very beginning of the fireball, which would be impossible had the move been properly RCed. The other reason is Sakuraās low strong isnāt meaty at all. It has an active hitbox for 4 frames, which is totally average. Definitely nowhere near the amount of time it would take to out-last the invicibility of an RCed move.
I donāt know why Ricky would tell anybody otherwise since I know for a fact that he knows that RCs are invincible on wake up. If he did tell anybody this, it would have had to been at least a year and a half ago when he was still living on the EC.
Again, if you STILL donāt believe all of us, just do the afore-mentioned Bison slide test. If your reversal RCs are getting hit by the slide, youāre not RCing.
Thereās a 2 or 3 frame getup window where you can do a move and still have it say āreversalā right? My theory is that unless the RC is a āperfectā frame one reversal, itās possible to get beaten out with a meaty. Correct me if Iām wrong, but Iām under the impression that all of Japan agrees. When people started going nuts with RC Honda, this was one of the counters people discovered.
Anyway, this probably isnāt the place to discuss something like this anyway. Some cool new guy with a āfuck you, you suck!ā post is probably going to come along any time now.
ps. Buk is a cheater with his stupid CvS2 bookā¦ :lol: