Burghy who the hell were you talking to? The end of that post confused me when you said it might be kcxj. I think it’s safe to say that it’s him playing and not somebody’s mom vs. an immigrant Wal-Mart employee. Kang why you gotta confuse everybody? And about that meaty beating RC, do you mean it hits in the frame when the roll is still vulnerable and before the special comes out? I forget all the technical crap in this game
i was under the impression that rolls don’t have startup frame vulnerability. I thought that was CvS1. Aren’t they supposed to be invincible from frame 1 to 23 (or whatever it was)… and since you are getting a reversal… you are going directly into the roll from wakeup… that was my impression.
Nice vid I see boston is still playing team tokido/bas. You must have gotten hella better since /MD H-town. You should have beat Bmore though. You and Nester had everyone scard with your RC.
PS thats not kcxj he alot sharper.
That’s what I thought too I was just trying to explain why it might beat a RC. I don’t care enough to actually find out though lol
i liked the part where time ran out then almost ran out again several times. Mind games crazy it was like am I gonna walk two steps back then three forward, or one back then two forward. When am I gonna throw out that MK with Bison??? I can’t play like that too intense for me I have to just run away doing random crap and hope it works, nice job makes me want to learn A Groove now all i need is a CVS2 machine in NJ 
I always thought that rolls have start up… this just coming from observation… but the systems guides ive read say otherwise…
ok it’s like this.
Go to training mode.
Set dummy to Sagat.
Have dummy do a sweep, and then a meaty cr. fierce as you wake up.
Now, try to roll on wakeup. Can’t do it right? This is because you’ll get hit if oyu try to roll on wakeup, EVEN THOUGH rolls have no startup. It’s just some crazy Capcom logic!
Therefore, since RCs begin with a roll, you can’t RC on wakeup against meaty attacks.
kcxj good? Perhaps, but i’ll tell you this much he sucked a lot of cock to get there. Whenever i see this poster posting i think of one word, COCK SUCKER MOTHER FUCKING POUSER.
Yes thats one word. All this poster does from what i read is take what other posters have said before and then say it himself.
A perfect example is this roll ordeal we are talking about at the current time. Something about meaty attack beating a reversal RC. Only reason this retard says this is beacuse he hasn’t heard a top player talk about such a obvious thing in the game yet. So he has to acctualy think for himself. Which in turn it wrong. Of course when you reversal with a roll you are invunarable to meaty attacks. It’s one of the reasons rolls are dumb in cvs2 in the first place.
Anyway kcxj please get back to sucking more dick.
You sir, are wrong. Your timing is off, beacuse i assure you if you had rollen and it acctualy said reversal. You would have gone threw the attack. Other wise you are doing some bug or something of that nature that i am not aware of. I belive it’s just that you need to work on your timing.
Ok… then please explain this match…
http://www.denjinvideo.com/vegas/10-18-2003%20Gameland%20CvS2%20-%20Edma%20vs%20SiN.WMV
Blanka does RC electric as antiwakeup… Yun RC grabs him out of it the first time… and next time fucks up the RC and just get a roll… and rolls through… both times being reversal. Also explain to me how if I do a slightly busted link of… cr LK, cr LP, cr MK… how do they roll through… if i leave the slightest window to do so? if rolls were vulnerable on startup… then why do all the blankas in the world… do wakeup RC electricity?
hint… try to get the little thing that says reversal in the corner… and you will notice you roll Sagat’s cr FP just fine and dandy… my guess is that in this match… the guy waking up fucked up his RC and just got a normal special move… to get counter hit by the meaty cr Strong.
My thoughts: (and i emphasize that these are only thoughts)
Reversal is 1 frame right? So in the case of rolls i believe you actually have to hit the roll on that one frame, its not like dragons where the motion can be done a bit before and they will still come out as reversals.
I say this because its like the double tap RCs where you hit roll twice to get a lp/wk move… in the case of terry where he has to moves (one of each punch and kick) burning naku comes out… so it is my belief that if you do it too early a punch or a kick will come out as you get up because in that state of moves not being able to come out (ie wake up animation and roll) it does not read lp+lk as a roll but as either lp or lk. So when you wake up one of the two will come out (assuming you did the roll in that time where it reads inputs but does not perform them until you are able to) …
(Can someone explain any flaws in the above please?)
If you do the move later than the reversal time you will already be blocking…
When performing an rc, you not only have to time the roll at the right time, but you have to time it in the middle of the movement. And you have to hit it in a very small window of time. So, currently I am under the impression that it is possible, although very difficult.
EDIT: In the case of RC electricity, the sparks always hitting, if the person wakes up in between the sparks it is fairly easy to roll …
You sir, are an idiot. The only person he got that idea from was me because i was the one that told him that and we figure stuff out on our own. even if he got info from top-player so what. at least we know the stuff works unlike some ppl. be thankfull he isnt posting bullshit stuff like some of the people in these forums like you.
sup guy, i moved on to guile/sagat now but the rest still play that team are you guys going to NEC? it will be fun to play you guys again especially the guy who was screaming out “cheap, cheese!” :lol:
If he got the info from you, then you are the idoit. I guess you need to play the game more. Or acctualy you don’t even have to play i thought it was common knowledge that you could reversal with a roll. So there is some advice you should take.
Also where is “bullshit stuff” that i post sage? I hardly even post on these forums. So if you would be so kinda please by all means find where i post bullshit tactics etc.
ok whoever you play against doesnt seem to know how to do a
meaty attack, you remind me of eder when he swore you could grab more than 2 times in times in a combo in mvc2 but you cant. but if you say you can then PROVE me wrong and ill shut up.
Proove you can? Why should i have to? It’s obvious. Just go to training mode and have a character knock you down, then set them to do a meaty attack. Then try to roll when you wake up. However make sure it says REVERSAL. Im not sure why this is so difficult.
Yea, here’s the deal… I’ve done it a thousand times… where a sagat does meating pressure with cr FP… and i do a wakeup Red Fireball as RC… and knockhim off me. The only thing you have to do in a wakeup RC is time the roll so it comes out as a reversal. You don’t have to cancel the roll any faster… or press any button differently… you just need a reversal roll. 10 to 1 odds are… the Sakura player waking up wanted a RC puffball… and she did hit roll too early to be read as the reversal, but since she did a FB right afterwards (which happened to be completed in the interval of time you are supposed to input reversal)… she got a reversal regular puffball… which has no invincbility on startup… and got counter hit by the meaty attack.
I’d like Gunter or Buk (someone with a CvS2 guide) to confirm that rolls are invincible from startup… even though I thought this was a pretty well known fact. Why else is blanka a stupid ass character to try to play wakeup games on… wakeup RC electric solves about 3/4 of all wakeup mixups that he has to face.
Either way… someone please test it out… and have the balls to admit your wrong, instead of simply never posting up again. I am pretty sure I am right, if not, I’ll admit it.
ok. continues to meaty RC wakeups
Ya, thats another issue i didnt address in my post, i was just talking about normal rolls, not rcs… cuz i know i try to rc wake up and the roll doesnt come out, because, like you said, the roll part of the RC was performed too early, so instead I get the normal move.
Both Buks and JChens systems guides say that the first initial frames are completely invincible.
don’t worry about RCing… just try rolling the wakeup… your prolly just getting a reversal regular attack… not a reversal RC… due to what i said above… just try to reversal roll the meaty attack… and you’ll go right through.