I’ll tell you one that that doesn’t help Bang: You can jab right through the guard point on his drives.
The Tier list shouldn’t change much over time unless someone discovers something otherwise completely missed. At this point in the games life, without a patch, that isn’t very likely. It can still happen, its just not something you can expect to see.
And Bang isn’t bottom, he just has to work a lot harder to get things done. And pray that he doesn’t get a throw break or, even worse, hit through his guard point.
I didn’t know that, interesting…
Ok, I thought it was just me. My last match… It was like a bad dream…
I haven’t played since… :shake:
Don’t even get me started on that. I’ve actually yelled at my TV seeing some of the damn things that beat Bang’s drive. Several people can actually auto-combo through it, like its not even there (actually its worse, they get a counter).
also; I’m not saying he’s absolute bottom, he’s below average tho’. I’d agree he’s better than Haku-men or poor poor Tager.
Getting into risky territory, the top 3 definitely need to be weakened, and the bottom 3 need to be stronger (fixing bang’s drive MIGHT actually be enough for him, Tager and H need more). Otherwise its a goddamn even playing field… Well except for things that they clearly just didn’t think of like the clap-loop.
Viache and I played a bit of “online training” just trying out Bang’s drives versus Ragna jab/kick spam. When his gauntlets flash is the only time he guard points, anything after that you can hit him out of :\ and just spammin jab hits him out of eeeeveryyything.
Bang is probably better than Tager but literally only matches i’d bring bang in over hakumen is against top 3. Hakumen beats or is even with all the non-top 3 : / his buttons are just solid. Bang loses to plenty that aren’t top 3 in addition to top 3.
I agree whole heartedly…That just goes to show that these tier lists don’t really show us anything…
But we already knew that :arazz:
[scrub vision]
When versing tagers online, it doesn’t seem like he’s at that much of a disadvantage.
He has that anti air grab thing that takes a ton of damage, and if you can get his drive going, then his movement becomes somewhat obsolete.
I can still see why he would have trouble with the top 3, so I’m gonna agree with the above posters when they say that they are overpowered. I don’t really think the bottom characters need tweaking. [/scrub vision]
I’d rather see bottom tier and mid-tier buff’d than major nerfs to top tier. It would make the game more fun in general better options for everyone = more fun. Really nu just needs a damage nerf, Arakune needs changes to curse mechanic, and Rachel needs less guardcrush. Always going to be a top tier, as long as the matchups are even enough skill is more important than characters the game will be great in most fighting game players eyes.
this is just a bad idea. This will only end in someone having a flaming war and someone else getting insulted. These tier lists are never good. They always end in arguments and hatred for others…that’s not at all what fighting games are all about!(saracism).
Doubt it.
I guess that makes more sense.
Do you guys believe that in order to buff up bang, haku, and tager, there would need to be major changes?
Wait wait wait…
Here is the latest “official” tier list
Lol, so… uh… 
How should they… buff up Ragna :rolleyes:
wtf?
…
Just sayin’.
edited:
Well yeah. on the other hand, the tops do need those changes (maybe also Louis XIII needs some tweaking :p)
You know how it always is, games never perfect, always needs updating. I don’t think anyone in here is sayin’ that BB is a terrible game and is MVC2-style unbalanced… I’m certainly not.
~~Whats the source for that ‘new, official’ list? It seems a little iffy ><
Lol, because some random August '09 member is obviously a good source for tier placements.
My favorite part about that list is that Ragna really has no pressure :lol:
edit: kyokuji yeah we were like “hey dude it looks like you looked at the SBO results and made a tier list accordingly” and he’s all “lol what’s an sbo”
And the majority of the people in here with similiar join dates are? This is part of the reason why i think threads like this always end up being retarded…
Just sayin man…
Sometimes I like to believe that my opinion matters… just sometimes :crybaby:
Anyways, if you take a look at the recently modified Arcadia tier list (accounts for SBO results):
Rachel 1260
Nu 1227
Arakune 1206
Carl 1195
Litchi 1075
Jin 1061
Taokaka 1016
Noel 1009
Ragna 971
Hakumen 887
Bang 854
Tager 519
the link was on the first page of this thread, but I put it here again for those who didn’t see it
http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showpost.php?p=433641&postcount=57
I appologize for adding a list and saying it’s “official”. I honestly don’t even know what makes a tier list official…
But the guy spoke so elequently! 
Edit:
So Ragna is near the bottom, even if he isn’t at the bottom according to another new tier list.
I actually agree with this tier list, maybe I’d switch Noel with Ragna but it doesn’t really matter.
Yeah that list matches my experience, and looks about right. Still think they’re undervaluing Jin some, tho’.
Not that its changed really, I think the last one looked like that 
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