I didnt do the neutral strong into jab elec because I am afraid of the backdash. If he backdashes, I know the jump mk whiffs, but I can still guarantee hit the jab into elec. I havent gone into lab to see if the strong would hit as well, but my gut tells me its too slow and it wont. Of course, im likely wrong, and the strong will hit, but in a tournament situation, I dont take chances, and i go for guaranteed damage.
Im more of an arcade/vs style player, so lots of labwork is just not how i do things, i practice everything in real time. What that unfortunately also means, is some things i dont fully test out too well because, in arcae im spending money and dont want to lose. I do test other things out when i play at friends house, but the last time i played it was all kara hop and crossup fierce setups. Didnt have a guile to play against to test that.
One thing i noticed though, with the kara hop, is that the first time i did it, I saw a big difference. I do standing rh plink into fourth button to the bottom right that is set to hop. But when i went home to test it out for just a moment, i saw the inputs, and i was doing it right, but i saw no real difference in the hop. and that was in training mode so i could count boxes. Am i retarded? Or just doing it wrong?
hm, he never focus backdashes, just a regular backdash. I will test it eventually, im sure your right. But also with the crossup stuff, the jab elec is really easy for me, and i try to avoid links in such a setup where i know he has wierd options to mix things up a bit which could throw off my timing.
In other words, i am lame and go for simple lame damage.
AT 1:41 of video 2, Is winners finals. I counter pick with dhalsim, against honda, so i dont think anyone cares about that. First round i got raped bc had to remember how to play dhalsim, but then i remembered. Yes, i counterpick, especially against dirty ass fukin honda.
Anyways to expound, Guile has 7 options disregarding ultra/super
Get hit by trying to block
Attempt a just frame block
backdash
focus backdash
flashkick
crouch and hope you do the cl.strong combo, the elec whiffs and they can punish with something
wakeup jab
All of those work in the same manner vs. the st.jab xx elec cancel except the crouch and focus backdash options. Focus backdash is safer with the cl.strong option because normally the elec whiffs vs. Guile and he can punish with flashkick, though it can do that weird elec frame trap thing. Basically the risk of crouch/focus backdash get switched, but the st.strong combo leads to more damage.
Please criticize, because everyone can always be better. I mean, as far as blanka, i think u and illiterit are likely the only ones that I believe know more than me. Im not trying to sound like an ass, but I know a lot, and I know who knows more.
Wow, its wierd to see how that tree plays out. Cuz Im a guaranteed damage whore, I think the jab elec is likely the best road in the long run.
EDIT: wait, reread what you wrote. regarading the focus backdash, doesnt guile have to fucus backdash the jump mk, so his dash should end and the jab elec would still combo? If the dash makes him too far for the elec to hit, i see your point.
I mistimed my option select slide, which is why you see me whiff that st.short which was supposed to be cl.short xx hp electricity. The short shouldn’t come out if I time the os properly.
This is from SRKLive which I tend to play on in the middle of the night, thats why I have so many wins. The level of comp isn’t very high, and connections are pretty all over the place. I regularly go over 30 wins, and a few weeks back I went over 60. However once in awhile there is a good player in there who I will try to get some games in with if possible.
Anyways I played like crap, I’ll blame playing in the middle of the night and probably lag, haha.
Wow you can really see the impact of lag.
Punishing overheaed with jab is super easy, but the balrog blocked it. That tells me that lag was just bad enough to fuck you over. doh
Other things important to point out include:
neutral strong, to jab, to elec, never really works on balrog. Dont know why, so stupid.
on balrog wakeup, I tend to go for electricity setups, rather than low shorts, because the elec beats almost all balrog punishes (except for ultra / super, but you should kill his charge anyway), and if balrog blocks, you can get around 30 points or so block dmg.
Last tourney I played I faced and in the first round I forgot that walking electricity will whiff after the first loop vs crouching Boxer even if the jab connects, so the next time I did it I used jab xx elec, jab, st.hk… which also happens to whiff. Lol at me.****
Low short on Boxer’s wake up is a bad idea in general because of his dumb hitbox. You just get pushed much further away so often your moves just end up whiffing. You can however corpse hop him and go for a meaty low short which is a true 3f frame trap and it won’t cause your combos to whiff.**
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It does actually, you have to walk 1 frame before doing the jab on a jumpin.
I mix up both, low short xx elec tends to work if you corpse hop first and can negate the pushback effect. Crouching boxer hitbox is stupid though. I just go off of tendencies for what I want to do.
yeah if you make him lose charge he can only block. also i don’t recall if you can do c.LK xx HP electric or if that loses to ex headbutt. I do know that just raw electricity beats out any headbutt wakeup though.
Good to knw about the focus backdash, have never once seen that happen, but I see how it could happen.
I would abuse wakeup elec until the opponent demonstrated they are capable of that.
I am pretty sure that a meaty enough short on boxer where the elec could connect is close enough for headbutt to rox your world.
Boxer is pretty gay, thank god for unblockable.
I also like to use standing fierce to hit low rh, bc the hitbox is so wierd. But that footsie stuff is only relevant in offline play. Online i think suicide is a better option.
I just would really like c.MK s.LP xx HP electricity to work on everyone as a blockstring and a hitstring. Same with cs.MP. Is that really so much to task?
I havent tested this in particular, but the only way balrog ultra could lose to wakeup elec would be if balrog was holding down kicks and was doing the upper ultra. Thats my guess anyway. i wouldnt rely on that happening in the future, it was a fluke.
