Scissors->Ultra 2 is not game breaking. In fact, it’s very risky for Bison.
why is it so risky? I mean maybe against a shoto with meter, but other wise if you time it right I don’t think they can reversal you if hit them in the startup of their SRK which is just as strict as hitting them on wakeup with PP anyways… Please correct me if I’m wrong…
Their is a trick to landing PP on someones wakup Heroicmedic was doing perfectly in some Bison mirror matches I played against him except he was doing it of sweeps and throws(untechable knockdowns). I just kinda used the same tactic I noticed him using but with an SK knockdown because I had the ultra buffered so when I saw any sign of movement from his knockdown of him getting up i hit the buttons and it worked the same as with untechable knockdowns.
Because it can be reversal’d or simply blocked. It’s not completely guess.
The ultra is slow enough so you can actually see where Bison is going to land most of times. Against characters with no invincible reversal, you have to make Bison land on their heads to make it really confusing. This way, they’ll have to guess. Making Bison land like this is also difficult.
You can’t hit them during Shoryuken’s startup animations, because they’re invincible. If Ryu or Ken decide to use MP shoryuken, then they’ll get 2 extra invincible frames (they hit you, but you can’t hit them), making the job even easier.
As for Bison matches, yes, you have to teleport/block correctly if you don’t have EX. OK, everybody knows this…
Ultra2 on wakeup is not gamebreaking, but not a bad idea. It’s failure against characters with good reversals, but a nice risky option against who don’t.
Scissors->Ultra may be good also, but you have to learn how to steer Bison on their heads to make it worth. From my experience, more distance makes easier to see where Bison will land. My favorite wakeup U2 are Slide and Grab+Dash
For andy, about our ex messiah discussion:
The LK followup punishment I wrote was for this situation. Rufus performs EX Messiah. When it ends, you perform Ultra1 and imediately hold back again. You’ll catch “No Followup”, MK and HK possibilities. If he goes for LK, which is, as you said, a true blockstring, so we lose our charge. But, by blocking it, we can punish with strings, dealing around 210 damage. If he decides to cancel LK with a Focus Backdash Cancel, just go for standing Heavy Kick. The final possibility is to cancel LK into dash foward. Then, any string will do as well.
The comeback in round 1 was because the bison player tried to bait a reversal dp, and when the ryu did not shoot the J he lost momentum and the round. This is something that has been discussed and is a pretty good example of how baiting reversal on wakes against good players is usually a bad idea.
It’s a solid mixup if setup well. I agree it’s risky and I don’t do it often, but you can reduce the risk by putting on a condom, metaphorically speaking.
That’s what I meant too, I should have been more specific. I’ve only hit it against people who tech knockdowns. When I’ve done it too quickly against someone who rises slowly, it tends to whiffs.
Any reason why crossup PC isn’t being used more in high level play? So many setups…
the setups for Cross PC that I know that are useable are: lk scissors tech(must be near), j.mp-> cr.mp/cl.hp, unchanged side psycho crusher, slide and U2
NO it was because he did not focus attack before the s.hp>SK combo… but still a really good game
Once someone starts the gettup animation they have to finish it right? I mean you have to do something on wakeup or if you just stand you have wait for the animation of your character getting off the ground before you can do anything… its prob only a couple of frames but I’m pretty sure its true.
Ryboy:
Maybe you’re talking about regular jumps. They require 4 grounded (grab invincible) frames before you’re actually airborne.
Other than this, you’re able to do anything after you finished your invincible wakeup animation. That includes invincible reversals, normals, focus, block.
exactly so there is they have to wait for that animation(which is invincible)before they can do anything once it starts… that gives you the time form when you see it start to their reversals invincible frame which is 3-5 frames… its tight but for a once a game trick, i think its plausable.
Maybe I’m not understanding you correctly. Are you trying to hit PP the moment the opponent wakes up? Because an invincible reversal will escape/beat PP.
No I’m saying timing the U2 so their only option is to block it correctly on a knocked down opponent. (off of SK knockdown…)
Yes, you can time it so that they can’t jump out of PP on wakeup, but if they have an invincible reversal, they will escape/punish you. Wake up dp’s, flash kicks, etc will beat a meaty PP.
Ahhh I give up, I was just putting it out there. But I do think its good against half or more of the cast especially if they have no meter, unless your playing someone with perfect timing it could be usable for the entire cast. And most only have an out because of how you drop it on them so if they do their invincible move it will whiff… just trying to share things with fellow players so we come become masters. I know you guys will do the same…
Hoping off the soapbox now.
No, you’re right. A lot of the cast doesn’t have a reversal that could probably hit PP on wakeup, especially without EX meter. However, against such characters, I personally wouldn’t risk using PP like that to let them escape, since those very same characters should be free to meaty c.lk pressure.
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After Bison moves in his TP can he cancel into U2? Can you throw, TP forward, and then cancel into U2 so that it’s really ambiguous? Furthermore, since it’s so close, wouldn’t it be difficult to reversal DP since if you go for the cross-up, the DP will probably whiff in the wrong direction (similar to a properly done crossup Ultra by Blanka?).
Teleport cancel into ultra is only the starting frames. It’s basically useless and entirely impractical in matches.
Tony,
Thanks for the videos, dude. Your Bison is solid and, honestly, you clearly know matchups on a different level than I do.
I’m totally stealing your ideas.
Hey lets fight sometime. I’ll start out with my 2nd main Guile and then use Bison.
Add me on xbox the GT is II Joaquin II (with spaces)