Yeah, for U2 you have to delay the second mp just slightly to pop them up higher. If you do j.mp x2 too soon, he will drop really fast like it happened
One thing you should do is try to be more disciplined in your offense. One thing that a lot of bison players are guilty of (myself included) is attacking with reckless abandon. This includes always trying to low short after a move that leaves both players neutral, dashing in after hitting a psycho crusher, throwing out lots of s fwd and s rh, focus feint to dash in short/throw, etc. Trying to be too offensive can lead to patterns that good players will pick up on pretty quickly. When someone is in your face, especially a character with a strong pressure game like fei long, the best thing to do is block, and look for your openings. Once you are able to reset the spacing, just try and keep him out. More specific notes:
-Try to avoid headstomps, especially at mid screen. You’ll very rarely land it against good players. Best case, they won’t punish and you’ll be out a bar (5:11). Worst case, you get punished for it (6:09).
-This is a personal opinion, but I don’t find bison’s ex moves to be all that useful in this matchup. As you know, ex psycho is very punishable on block. It also isn’t a great counter against chicken wings, due to their long projectile invulnerability. This match is really won with normals. You’re better off saving bar for the extra damage from a super, or as an escape (ex devils reverse). Also, don’t be afraid to burn the meter if you run the risk of surrendering momentum (ex. at 5:22 you could have canceled the EX crusher, and potentially taken the round).
-St rh is your best counter to chicken wing. Fei players will whore this move out like crazy because it gets them in for free, gives them good damage on hit, and sets up the mixup on block. Go into training mode and practice the timing for swatting it out of the air (better if you have someone practice with you, so that they can mix up the timings). Even a trade is in your favor, both for the damage and the fact that they don’t get the positioning that they want. If you can take that tool away from them, it will help the match greatly.
I remember Seth was saying it during a match vs a Chun, because he was talking about how Chun has the general advantage, but U2 should help Bison a little bit. He went on to say that U2 doesn’t work perfectly against Chun, but that there are “tricks” with Bison to landing it. He didn’t describe the trick because earlier he was joking with James Chen about how their commentary was altering the flow of the match.
I don’t remember who was playing Bison (because there were so many lol), but I’m pretty sure it was vs Shizza’s Chun during the 3v3s.
This is very good to hear because after viewing my match for the first time that was my biggest regret, not burning those 2 bars to keep momentum >_< Thanks everyone for the feedback. i also checked some options against chickenwing I.E. st. hk st. lk. for the record guys if you ever focus attack dashup i would suggest throw or something that will beat out chickenwing. The reason i say that is a couple times in the first game i would focus lv 2 in and he would chickenwing over my short and hit me crossup. I think this match came down to me not hitting enough st. hk and surrendering momentum at times when i didn’t have to. The reason i didn’t keep abusing st. hk is that Inthul has extremely good reactions to wiffed normals/specials with rekkas. But i keep Chris Hu’s “you no scare i no scare” mentality.
the idea of using U2 over U1 came when i was watching Hugo101 play against Ricky-Ortiz during the 3v3
I talked it over with a couple of friends and a majority of us agreed that Ricky and Justin never spazzed out during bison matches.
this is kinda the dilemma Shizza discussed in the chun thread about using U2 over U1 in Shoto match
Would i rather have U1 as a deterrent against messiahs but never be able to land it in any other situations
Or would i rather have U2, a meter building deterrent, and have the possibility of landing it in a careless jump in
The decision was as simple as that, and i went with U2 against Justin and Ricky
I played the players, not the characters.
I think u can look back to the videos and recognize that neither Ricky or Justin ever Ex Messiah when I had ultra or when they weren’t capable of FADC
But i agree and I think you guys are correct when u say that U1 is the best ultra against RUFUS
but when u play guys like Ricky and Justin, u might wanna think it over a lot more
These guys dont surrender over free damage… and i dont think ive ever ran the clock against some1 before… but i had to in winners LoL =)
EX Messiah->no-followup can avoid Ultra 2, plus, it’s possible to consider that excellent players won’t carelessy jump, but I doubt they’ll avoid EX Messiah that much.
Against excellent players, maybe use the character’s weakness may be better and easier than using the player’s weakness.
As such, I think Ultra 1 is the better choice.
But, there’s no EX Messiah that is safe against a Ultra1 Bison. With it, Bison can punish every EX Messiah possibility
No followup ===> Ultra 1
MK/HK Followup ===> Ultra 1
LK Followup ===> CloseHP->CrouchLK->Medium/EX Scissors (you ll probably lose your charge trying to reversal his other followups, but it’s possible to regain it)
LK->Focus->Backdash ===> Standing HK
Maybe U1 is the best option. That’s my opinion anyway
Lol!!! “You no scare, I no scare!” great way to put it into words Chris Hu!!
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ex messiah to LK followup is a true blockstring and cannot be punished unless he delays it
I got some more vids of Gamebattles Team battle I played the 5th ranked team today, my team is not good and I have to win every game always, I got sooo close to doing it again too. Its for fun though since I’v been too busy to get to any tourneys lately, I figured its a good way to keep my on my toes for a little bit. Anyways I really need some advice on the Rog match, after watching my vid I relize how much I just don’t seem to have the rythum of yet. So if you guys could maybe help me out and point out some shit I could of done or need to use more please point it tell me.
Here are the vids from the last set it was 3v3 first to win 2 again against Scrubing Scrubs…
Against Professor Rouse (Cammy)
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Against Cody…
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Vs SeanxRikkixFayt (ROG) This is the matchup I need advice on guys!!!
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These are some vids against Fr33Kill88… He is a really good local Bison player and the person who got me into the local scene around here and I pretty much strived to play like him, since the first time he slapped my at my first tournament.
Mirror<----could it be the trick Seth was talking about?
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my bison vs his Adon…
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And to finish it off I found A vid of egu1127<—I forgot who it was really but I remember he is a top Bison player for sure. But if someone could tell me so I could fix the title that would be great.
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sorry about the bad sound quality im trying to fix it…
I have a quick on-topic question. I’ve been using FA against EX messiah because you only get one shot to ultra and FA covers two options, hk and lk but not mk or no followup. Against hk or lk you can FA and if he does hk you crumple and ultra, and if he does lk, FA doesn’t come out and you maintain charge and punish with a reversal ultra afterwards, but you can’t crumple his mk followup unless he delays it a bit. The other option is to reversal ultra his hk and mk followups as well as if he does no followup, but it has to be a reversal otherwise it turns into a shitty guessing game since he can delay his hk followup in such a way that he sails over your ultra and while autocorrecting against it is possible it’s strict and too situational.
It seems like going for a reversal ultra between his mk or hk followups might actually be the best solution as opposed to FA since at least if you block his lk you can use a combo that builds enough charge to get a 200+ dmg punish and just do a simple normal xx scissors or PC combo if he does no followup. The other option does cover three out of four options but I hate losing charge and a free ultra if he does his lk followup. So should I switch from using an FA punsih and just reversal ultra since lk is ALWAYS unsafe and hk and mk are vritually unpunishable on block?
PS why do I see rufus players using FADC to make his messiah kick safe since his mk is impossible to punish with either FA or on block?? is it because you can interrupt the mk followup with shorts in the gap between the messiah kick and the followup? that seems the only way I can punish that attack and the timing is really really strict if not impossible if he does it on the first frame possible? is it because you can just use an invincible reversal to punish before he follows up?? If bison has no meter will most rufus players tend to just use hk or mk on block?
True story.
U1 over U2 though. The plus for U2 is from just as unlikely mistakes by Rufus from a player of Ricky/Justin’s caliber. I mean, how many times did you land U2? You probably could have found just as many openings for U1 against them IMO, but it’s w/e. To each their own as they say, right? Yours seems to be working anyway =p
You forgot that FA also loses to delayed LK ender (breaks armor), when you get predictable by going for a FA most of the time the Rufus player will probably use this as a counter.
I usually try to go for the reversal U1 after EX messiah, even if he goes for the undelayed LK ender I can punish with a nice combo like s.HP, c.LK xx scissors or c.MP, s.HK, you can also go for a throw for another safejump setup. I only keep charge if I think he is doing the undelayed LK ender to prevent me from landing my ultra, but that’s just taking a guess.
By doing reversal U1 you get guaranteed damage in every scenario except undelayed LK ender-FADC-dash forward.
Watched 1st few sec of the rog 1.
U need to scissor more, ALOT more. Don’t handstomp so much and you need to block his overhead more. Then you’ll do better.
I use to have probs with bal before, but now I love to vs him, l, sk and safejump hp bait, rape balrogs.
JUMP hp, timed, they cant headbut it and if they do u can punish with a c.mp, pc or c.mp, c.mk m sk. Either or they will stop.
Also once you got into there head, start mixing up cross over mk’s with cross over hk’s. STOP headstomping I watched like 15 seconds (it crashed) and you got punished 2x by missing headstomp lol.
Another nice bait came to mind. After l.sk poke out c.mk, if it links a free ex pc or SK. Don’t do this to much though, if he sees a pattern he will headbut it into ultra, just do it every now and again.
VS good balrogs, you need to have a bit of luck with teching, because a good balrog will pressure you to fuck with lp’s / throws.
Seen that fie player on frame dash, hes a beast.
Yeh dont pc fie, I found out that the hard way lol.
You needed to hk after the l sk, he chicken winged, everytime almost, a hk would of nerfed it and done some dmg and also scared him to freely push it out, he looked very confedent when playing you because you didn’t nerf anything he did lol.
1st game was like a free game.
2nd game you started using hk more and you adapted abit better and nerfed his moves, round 2 was a stupid start and you lost almost 1/2 hp because of it and he gained momentum, the reward wasn’t even worth it, guessing nerves.
End of round 2 instead of ex pc should of just hk’ed. saved ex meater and it would of hit clean, if not, at least traded and he would be in the corner pressured.
Round 3 again its like you are not adapting, he knows when u l sk you go for lk’s , You needed to switch it up, l sk to hk, would of nerfed his chiken wing, even l sk to ex pc! You made it to easy to predict what you was going to do.
Unlucky on that juggle you pressed mp,mp to fast and he didn’t get high enough to land it, ult 2 is harder to hit then ult 1 with juggle.
Yeh was gg, the fie totaly read you after a few games, you mixed it up with the fadc to throw which made him miss judge and mess up which gave you the juggle ultra chance. But when you missed, the game was his.
Nice match - always fun to see Ryu put in the corner (although his comeback in round 1 was impressive)
You mean doing a psycho punisher when your opponent techs a knockdown, forcing them to block?
or forcing them to reversal you…
I think he meant to do a scissor knockdown and immediately do ultra 2. Not sure if that’s what seth meant, but that was pretty cool.
THanks, I used to be pro at blocking overheads but for some reason I failed in that fight, also I will find that sweet spot were I can jumpin on Rog with j.hp more. I get so used to peope always trying to jump out it took me a round to realize he was waithing for me to jump or whatever to get out of pressure. I could of easily pressured longer with SKs. Do you like to FA bait in this matchup or is this a matchup you shouldn’t FA very often against a good Rog?
Thanks, and yeah that is what I meant. Just putting it out their trying to solve the infamous Bison “Trick” mystery. I wish we could all send him vids and ask is this it, is this it, is this it? Until he freaks out from being bugged so much that he tells us wtf it is!!