What?
His ultra is no way near the worst new one. Try saying that in the Balrog or Ryu forums and youll get eaten alive.
Yeh seems prit much 5:5
If you keep him away with pokes, and combo what you get a hit conferm its your game tbh, When he gets close, ex devils or tele or ex PC out of there, then carry on to poking
BTW if you didn’t know guys, EX PC wins abels ultra 2, FYI
You joking? fireball charictors, fadc a few fireballs charge ure ultra, no more fireballs 
You just need to get use to it im guessing.
Trick mixup I found
Slide, they block, fadc backdash, ultra 2
Works very well on gief, grab happy guys lol
Sometimes, against Abel, even Devil Reverse is a good as defensive option. Force into reset sometimes is better than being locked by his blockstrings, which can, eventually, lead into major damage and advantage to Abel
Exactly, waste an ex bar save 1/4 of ure hp and get away from abels pressure.
From distance, dictator has advantage.
Another effective thing came to mind, on vipers and cammys, safe jump there wakeup, if they cannon strike or thunder knuckle (hard for viper) you can have a free ultra.
While you’re in the air look at their ex bar, if its less then 2 (so they can’t fadc) start buffering your ultra 2, as soon as u see there move, fire off your ultra. (works with ultra 1 as well, on both charictors)
Edit : doesn’t have to be wakeup, you can have a free ultra if they miss a H thunder or a cannon strike. (cammy u need ultra 2 and for viper u can use ultra 1 or 2)
As I said, I don’t think PP is bad nor do I’m getting people to sign a petition for Bison improvements, however if I were to do a ranking chart of SSFIV ultras, it would be somewhere close to the bottom. See how many of the uses you guys said simply consist of throwing it out there and pray for it to hit, such as fadc ultra or wakeup ultra etc?
It’s still nice because it actually improves Bison’s game a little, unlike Balrog’s and Cammy’s U2, but unfortunately, Bison still doesn’t really have that scaring ultra factor against some characters, like Balrog. Just saying.
I just got eaten alive by an Adon player… basically kept me at mid-range with Jaguar kicks, which beat scissors and all my pokes (though it did trade with crouching strong).
I watched Jeron’s videos and that’s almost exactly how my match went. I hope I come across another Adon so I can try to be more… tactical.
I mentioned regular Devil Reverse. It’s airborne in the first frame. Option Selects don’t work here and there’s not much time to set another one during the Reset’s backflip. EX one is good, but, it’s always a good idea to confuse the opponent by not letting him knowing how you’re planning to recover (EX Attack, EX Attack fadc, Teleport, EX Devil, Devil, Backdash, Block)
Jump streight up hk works very well vs adons
Ok I understand why the matchup is actually 6-4 Abel! It has to do with Health, damage and limitation issues is why the match is in Abels favor
if abel vs. bison is 6-4 abel’s favor, then gief vs. bison must be 7-3.
i’d say it’s more like 5.5 in abel’s favor. what limitations are you referring to aside from PC punishes by abel’s ultras?
Abel is strong against Bison in < half screen range.
No meter:
f+MK gets in pretty good for combos
j.MK cross up is good
c.LP and c.LK spam is decent counter hit and f+MK setups to get in while you’re blocking
Sky Fall command throw got buffed a little bit, it’s good to catch if you fly too close
Marsailles roll cancels to mess your charges up and just test a Bison player’s reaction and compromise on his charge moves is a big thing too.
EX Meter:
EX-Change of Direction’s hyper armor cuts through some of Bison’s footsies
EX-Tornado is high damage and has invincible frames
EX-Sky Fall has a good hit box too.
EX-Marsailles roll gets out of like everything
I don’t think Zangief is that much more threatening to Bison as Abel, I think they’re almost equal in the mid to close range meta game. It’s just the matter of using the clock to get them to make mistakes.
Far range though, you can poke him out and throw Marsailles. But that’s not gonna win the entire match. That could just be your game plan for Round 1, but when he has meter for Round 2 and Round 3, the adaptation needs to pick up a lot if the Abel player knows how to use the EX meter to get in and work on Bison. Just need to stop holding charges a lot.
The Bison v Abel matchup cannot be 6-4 abel. Because at the same time is becoming more dangerous with meter Bison is too!! EX SK will shut down Abels pressure and can make them scared to go for his normal counterpokes and f+mk. not to mention if they get predictable with throwing out f+mk you can punish with u2 easy! If abel starts rolling everywhere just stop attacking and grab him out of the role. I think its even if not just a little in bison’s favor…
Bison can punish Abel very harshly too with a wiffed grab, jump vertical, hk,land hp, h PC
BIG dmg.
I had the chance yesterday to play vs Free1up’s Bison:
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Andy on stream mayne
I guess I agree that they’re equally threatening at that range but you can actually apply a good deal of pressure on Abel once you get in…against gief it’s just a war of footsie attrition and I guess I just personally find that more difficult to maintain for the clock’s length. when I knock abel down I have a lot of options, against Gief nearly none. So the big difference there is offensive options, against one you have nearly nothing and against the other you can pretty much go all out while baiting/punishing reversals, etc. i guess their reversals are somewhat similar, command throws and COD/greenhand, so maybe I’m thinking about it the wrong way.
Well, you could say Guile’s still 6-4 over Bison but it’s not like the match ups are played the same by Bison despite the numbers. There’s still various spectrums of how to handle the match ups. I just find the Abel match up to be tighter on mistakes when EX bars go up. Less so for Zangief but that’s because once he gets in, his damage is gonna be big and you just have to wait out for your next decision. With Abel it’s a little quicker or slower.
Bison vs Abel is 5-5 IMO. I find I play much better when I randomly mix up run away and aggression. If you play unpredictably he has an extremely hard time getting in. Just play close attention to when he jumps in and rolls and work to counter it. I tend to land a lot of jb HK on Abel.
Also use EX less as a pure getaway and use it to punish Abel when goes for mixups (esp foreward kick). Land just a couple of those and it tends to slow down his rush a bit.