No and no.
No throw inv. And no frame 1 armor
actually v-trigger bullhorn have armor since the 1st frame, the bullhead has armor since the frame 3 or more depending of the version of bullhead you use (ex bullhead have armor on frame 1, same to ex bullhorn).
the regular bullhorn is not throw invincible but moves birdie’s hurtbox out side of some throws or command grab, it’s a good tactics in mid screen.
Are you sure V-Trigger EX Bull Horn has armor since 1st frame? Didn’t they change it to frame 3 and now reverted the change with April patch?
Where can I find detailed frame data with invincibility and armor for every move?
Ex bullhorn is armor frame 3
Ex bullhead is armor frame 3 only in vt
Ex bullhorn will be armor frame 1 in April
You can download an app called FAT Frame Assistant Tool
Nope. Ex Bullhead has armor from frame 1 in V-Trigger. Ex BULLHORN already has armor on frame 1 in V-Trigger. The armor on frame 1 buff only applies to non-V-trigger bullhorn.
Why does it feel like he does not have armor on vtrigger ex bullhorn on frame one??? Like seriously.
Give me an example. What’s happening in your matches that’s not triggering the armor?
i think is because nobody use the ex bull horn in v.trigger, most of the time is just better use the ex bullhead or a raw bullhorn instead.
the only reason i see to use the vt ex bullhorn is to beat ex fireballs or against chunli v.trigger, even in combos is just better use the ex chain or safe your meter.
edit: maybe there are other reason to use the move, i am going to search for more uses.
Now I understand, thank you all.
Thanks guys. I think it was mental block from reading “Birdie ex bullhorn no longer 1 frame armor” lol Forgot the change in VT.
Quick question
Do you guys use can and banana a lot? I think I need to bring it out more in my gameplay.
Can is good when you’re about full screen and need to get in, or atleast closer to your opponent. Don’t fall into the gimmick of dropping a can right after you combo into VT xx cr. HP. Its pointless. You get better oki after a mp. bullhead or a bull horn.
I use banana mostly for the Gief match up or if I basically cornering my opponent after an anti-air cr. HP. Forms a nice little trap.
I ask Cause I see xyzzy use the banana a lot.
Lol
Besides 5hk and 6hk which meaty is better 5mp, 2mp or 5mk? I been using 5mk and if it hits I go to 5lk,bullhead. I usually miss the combo unless it couter hits but noticed I still get the lk to bullhead since people tend to press button after the failed 5mk.
I think Im going to lab it hard instead of sounding dumb and wasting your guys’ time lol
banana is good when you are guarding your space (very good vs gief) but also has good specific uses (ex: laura’s v.trigger, sim’s s.mk, etc).
the best meaty depend of the situation
s.mk seems less optimal because is minus on block
s.mp seems better because is +1 on block (very good against alex players, lol)
s.lk is a very good meaty because combo into s.mp x strong bullhead/ex chain
finally, c.mp has some uses because is hit confirmable (use momochi’s stun gauge trick) into the jab bull head, bull horn or ex bull head and combo into s.lk if you use it like a perfect meaty.
What do you mean by using banana for Laura’s v trigger and Sims mk? Momochis stun gauge trick? Explícalo hermano.
I think banana shuts down her crazy ass dashes. Well I know so. Lol
back in season 1 usually you could punish laura’s fireball in v.trigger with a ex bull revenger or df.hp in reaction, now in season 2 is too risky, the recovery is too small, so now i use a banana in reaction to a fireball (she do a fireball from far away i put a banana down) to keep space and waste time (i think her v.trigger is to dangerous and underrated by most people) also when i get knock down i stay down to waste v.trigger time.
also you can use the banana to safely build meter with whiffed killing heads.(if she haven’t the ex)
against sim some times i put a banana down because you can beat sim’s s.mp with a s.hk (CC) (read) or whiff punish with a c.mp x ex bull head.
the banana shut down his s.mk because if he do it he slept and you get a punish.
(i heard that technique in a stream from uk) momochi’s stun gauge meter trick is just do a move hit confirmable (like ken’s c.mk or birdie’s c.mp) and look at the stun meter, if the meter moves you press the follow up (CA, ex bullhead, jab bullhead, bullhorn etc) is way more easy in that way.
sorry i am not a native english speaker.
the problem with that is that if she has meter you cant really throw down a banana because she can ex elbow in for free.
man if they made bullhorn throw invulnerable i would love that so much
if she has meter you still have some set ups to go for v.skill, for example after the ex bullhead.
Anyway if she do nothing when she is in vt you simply do nothing (play the neutral and waste her vt timer), if she do a fireball then you do the banana (she can’t punish your banana because she is holding the fireball)
cr.mp feels good again