Well Bh players are a dieing breed, but theres one particular Blackheart that is taken his abilities to the next level. Player name: Mikeheart, known here as SentinelCheese.
If u haven’t seen any of his matches, click here
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He is part of my new team in Michigan. Strategy + Cheese = Team Stratecheese,
members:
Flapp
Mikeheart
Enjoy.
Wow, that was so terrible, more like worst blackheart alive.
Well he knew what he was doin, but definitely overreacting by saying best blackheart.
rofl
not bad with his pokes, but damn man, give the guy sombody to play against:wasted:
that shit is disgusting
IMO, the best 2 BH players of all time are Samnang, Stiltman [hard for me to say which is better I think Stilt is but I don’t care right now…], and third is probably Alex Valle. Stiltman uses a better team structure in BH-Sent-Capcom, than Samnang who uses Mags-BH-Cyc. These 2 players use completely different styles of play.
Samnanag uses Mags-Cyc, rom infinites, resets you, then launches you with BH, h[p/k] you down into the inferno, then does a tempest. You die. If you don’t die, Magneto can attack more times, then airdash up with more hits and go Tempest Armageddon. At that height it acts more like a framecancell meaning it is still a combo, meaning he’s just killed or done 95% damage to you. Also, if Magneto dies, BH can probably triple as many times as he wants and it will combo. There are all kinds of tag combos either way, and safe DHCs that allow for character order changes in this team.
Samnang won Canada’s biggest fighting game championship twice with this team and finished 9th this year, so this is why I view him as one of the best Blackhearts of all time.
Now for Stiltman…
Stiltman has found a way to neutralize BH’s biggest vulnerability; getting raped by Cable. I can say that, but only upto a certain point. He does it by rushing Cable down, chasing him into the corner, using Capcom to keep him there, and then destroying him off 2 levels with a DHC into Sentinel. Most players can’t say that. Another thing is that most players with Blackheart totally suck, abuse, or misuse certain things in circumstances they shouldn’t on a chronic persistent basis. What I see in Stiltman is a minimization of use. He doesen’t do alot.
Stiltman finished top 25 at Evo 2 years ago, and has been consistently finishing real high with his BH teams for years in Seattle. Seattle used to be one of the biggest hot-spots in Marvel and spawned many national championship finalists like Jmar, Kuan, and Rowtron.
Let’s compare Mikeheart’s 2 matches to this…
It’s obvious that on some levels his Blackheart knows what it’s doing, but on other levels, it doesen’t.
Match 1:
I won’t give a full breakdown on the first match. He didn’t want to start Cammy, and got raped partially because he did. He probably got flustered, taken out of his mindset, and just plain taken out. I can tell because the Doom/Cammy player was making all kinds of mistakes that are abnormal for a Doom to make after that point and Cammy on point was a non-factor. I heard a “What the hell” when he saw he had Cammy first. The good part though, is Mike has exceptional use of Blackheart’s pokes. I haven’t seen many Blackhearts that are anywhere near this good in this category. In fact, I’ve only seen 1 [I think it was a Montreal player. Either Samnang or Blackestheart…]
Match 2
This no offence was a comedy of errors. Using InfernoXXHOD is a very bad idea on Cable mid-screen. It’s so difficult to superjump cancell Blackheart’s ground dash you have to literally view it as impossible. Since I didn’t see it superjump cancelled, and the cable had meter, you were literally asking to get shot for that one. Also, some Cables can AHVB BEFORE the HOD hits, and fry Cable AND Doom simultaniously. I personally have AHVB’d in the MIDDLE of HOD in the past by guardpushing in the air knowing full well that I can fry his ground dash afterwards. Don’t ever do that again unless the Cable has no meter at all because that is very, VERY dangerous.
The only time EVER that this is recommended is if the Cable is sandwitched between the corner and Doom [kinda like when you have your worst enemy’s mom sandwitched between you and your best friend]. Okay, on with the breakdown.
The Cable vs BH part was both really good [lots of trap escapes, nice demon punish vs Cable’s handgun, superjumping hk timed so well it disrupted Cable’s patterns, etc…] and really BAD [too many Inferno xx HOD, using attacking Doom with Cable just out of reach were he might AHVB your limbs,]. Even I learned some cool stuff watching it, so, I complement the BH player for that.
IF you had Capcom AA and used it in the combo instead of Cammy, both his Cable and his Doom would have died right there when they were bouncing. Fortunately for Cable that didn’t occur. Fortunately for Blackheart, Cable didn’t try to AHVB BH’s limbs while he was hitting Doom as he flew back. [of course, seeing that Cable escaped, the BH could superjump cancell the mk and try to get over Cable…]
Also, when Cable was bouncing, you should have tagged in Sentinel, and did rocketpunch, HSF, Dash, launch, then Air combo. This means you can potentially have killed the character right there.
Opportunites like these aren’t going to be passed up on for big damage by Dasrik, Stiltman, Alex Valle, etc… Now, since I mentioned these combos to you, these are the kind of things that would be easy for the best players in the world that are BH specialists to do.
Again, I say this. Your smart and excellent use of BH’s pokes is virtually unrivalled. Mags was lucky to walk away from that alive. When he did the HOD, I bet he was actually planning to inferno XX HOD and the inferno failed to come out. Had that came out, he would have lost Magneto right there no matter what. He was moving forwards, so the odds of him eating it were much higher. Hand the inferno been dodged, the HOD would be under him, or under Blackheart and in either case, Magneto would have died to chip. He’d have to block the inferno, guardpush it, then airdash away from it [and Blackheart would probably attack him again, or waste more time [and with the command he has over the pokes, Magneto as well…]. Also, he should have guardpushed the tempest so that Magneto couldn’t advance and regain the initiative while he was pinned in the corner at the very end.
Basically, I’ll probably be using Video Downloader to take one or both of the matches for myself, but since I’m sure this wasn’t a tournament match, and I do not know what you’ve accomplished in a tournament with him, there’s no way I can even come close to saying you have the world’s best BH.
I will say this though. You’re beginning to get somewhere with Blackheart. Keep going, and keep on playing him. Who knows, you might shock the world someday and win something big with Blackheart.
OH!!! is this some kind of cheese
fucking bh should’ve been in CVS2, pokes FTW.
im glad you guys or at least Deathfist liked my vids and yes i do have alot to work on and im working on it as we speak but i do need to play more cables and mags and sents i need the experience so thanks again and i have be working on the pokes for ever since the first time i played with blackheart. thanks Deathfist for the breakdown
Well atleast I’m seeing something new.
The reason why I say new is because I never seen anyone pick blackheart before, except once while I was walking by the MVC2 machine while the guy was still on the character selection screen, but I didn’t stay to watch him play backheart.
Anyways props to mikeheart for having a good blackheart, I’d like to see some more blackheart matches too.
Hope you keep improving blackheart 
you never see anyone pick blackheart because he’s a shitty character and an even shittier assist
and he’s fuckin boring as shit to use
magneto, storm, sent and cable aren’t just godlike because they can’t be fucked with, they’re also the most fun characters to use in the game
90% of the rest of the cast are extremely limited in what they can do
then this should only be a 4 character game not 56…oh wait never mind. Marvel blows:wonder:
thanks rising_player for your comments i hope ur getting better to in mvc2 i have been playing with blackheart for abotu 3 years now and i still want to get better and know i need to get better with him but thanks again for the comments and i will have more matches with him in the future so look out ight peace.
I like Blackheart and believe he isn’t as bad a character as everyone thinks. If you don’t get the lead on him quick, he’ll roast you alive in his most optimum teams, or you’ll end up roasting yourself. His purpose is to be used to build meter so that you can land a nasty DHC, or tag combo in a rapist [Ironman, Cable, Sentinel, etc…]. One thing you can do to improve your Blackheart is to experiment with using the drones as your primary rush crusher. IF you’re calling an AA, the Magneto can try to follow you into the corner, then counter-assist hitting you both. And you wind up getting double snapped and your assist dies. This is because your AA is often in the same area as BH is, or being knocked back into the same area. With Sentinel, that isn’t usually the case. If you jump back, Magneto’s ONLY option is to try to air throw you through the drones if you get predictable. If you tech hit it, Magneto is inside a drone, or the drone will STILL be in the way, AND you fly to the opposite side of the screen, AND you get your attack back [if you haven’t used it already…,]. It’s MUCH harder to land the snap through BH’s demons, pokes, and drones than it is through an AA. In fact, it’s virtually impossible.
Magneto can be beaten if the Magneto isn’t careful. His speed is so high, and his combos are so sweet that he lends himself to the 2 worst traits a player can possibly have; Impatience, and carelessness. There is always a severe risk of him impaling himself on Cyclops, Psylocke, etc… Also, Rogue-Tron can do 70% damage in 1 combo with no super involved, and is very nasty. BTW, there is only 1 way to play Magneto. That’s to land a hit and either combo or reset them to death. This is definitely the most entertaining and fun method to play the game, but that is not only the very definition of limited, but extremely risky as well. If you don’t land the hit, you’ll get chipped to death or trapped, and die. Having said that, Magneto is very fun to use [God I love the double-snap…].
Cable can be beaten. Spiral can beat him. It’s been done. Rogue-Tron can beat him. Rogue-Doom can beat him. Morrigan backed by a good team can beat him. Even Dhalsim can beat Cable. I’m there are alot more characters than that. Cable isn’t infallible. There is only 1 generally significant way to play Cable; Keep-away pretty much. Cable can’t really force a hit, and must rely on his zoning, keepaway, etc… till a mistake occurs that he can incinerate. That is also extremely limited. I will admit this though. Alpha counter XX AHVB, and AHVBx# are possibly my 2 favorite things in MvC2.
The real problem is Sentinel, then Storm in terms of being broken. The reasons for this are so obvious by now I can’t be bothered mentioning them. These 2 ARE NOT limited in any significant way. They can play nearly all the styles of play in the game for the most part decently. It is these 2 that you’re really talking about Deus.
Oh, and BH doesn’t suck, he just doesn’t rule to the extent that say, a Sentinel, or a Storm, does. I’ve found a way to compensate somewhat for most if not all of his more serious vulnerabilities. Stiltman has fully, and Samnang has fully. Blackestheart has almost fully as well. If you actually take the time to adapt your BH to the times instead of say Fuckit, this character sucks, you’ll realize that he is far better than you give him credit for. That almost hapenned to Cable, but the people in the Midwest and the Northwest made the adjustments necessary to save Cable from oblivion. Blackheart has at least 2 completely different styles of play he can utilize. Magneto? only 1. Cable? only 1 [unless you are me using Cable-Cyc, then it’s 2]. The bottom line is, BH does not suck, YOU suck with Blackheart. I’m to tired right now to tell you what you should have known and learned 3 years ago for Blackheart. Just go through the “How to tell if your Blackheart sucks thread”.
You may find Blackheart to be boring, but that’s either the idea, or your lack of adaptability, or patience with him. You must find out which.
I think that it’s more like 80% of the cast is too limited in what they can do, not 90%. It’s still bad, but not as bad as you think. Almost, but not quite.
Deathfist thanks again for the tips and i am trying to do some thing with BH and Sent traps but i want to do traps with teams that are to routine if you know what i mean and yes i am thinking of new traps with BH he can almost lock down by himself with lk. that poke is like the greatest to me it comes out so fast and had som much reach but anyway if there is anything else post it please ok and i would be glad to give tips if you need some alright.
thanks for all the tips deathfist, because of your knowledge, i think i will become a much better marvel player
this guy really is the best blackheart in america. real talk.
Good vids. Use a better team. Nice zoning. Learn the infinite too =)
Team Stratacheese challenge
One on One BH no assist if u play BH at the Ohio tournament, if anyones goin. Matter a fact u can use any character u want. I’m playin to OmegaRed or Guile. Money Match $10.00 Best out of 5.
thanks Robust im trying to get better with him i still need work alot of work from what the other good blackheart players are saying so i will be trying newstuff out and working on my other traps and i do know how to do the infinite i just dont do it really it doesnt take life that much be thanks again
I’m glad to see another BH player put up vids!!!
I can’t really comment on them though, because Deathfist basically said everything that I was going to say. I will add this though…
Your pokes and zoning are amazing. However, seems that you don’t quite see some openings too kill off characters as well, as well as putting yourself in positions where you yourself could get killed i/e the second match.
You caught Cable with so many hk demons, and every one of them he should have ate a lot of damage, or death early in that match.
If the Cable would have known that you could guard cancel easily out of the Inferno xx HOD, you would have lost that match even quicker. All someone has to do is to pushblock the inferno, and I know you know that.
Work on doing a bit more air combos and stuff as well, to put them in even more positions to be trapped and frustrated by your pokes/demons/assists. Check the “How to tell your Blackheart sucks” and “Blackheart Combo Threads” for ideas and strategies.
Right now as it stands, I don’t know how much Stilt plays, but he is still the best Blackheart in America, then Deathfist, and then myself probably. I’ve placed top 5 in the two tournies I’ve entered(5th place in my very first tourney, and won one at a local college around here.)
I will say again though, I learned a lot about poking strats from just watching your usage of his pokes. Thanks for that.
And keep playing!
The characters in MvC2 on the whole are divided into 2 categories on the whole [that is the ones that are good anyways. There is a third and a 4th category [ability to kill, and ability to inflict guard damage, but these are pretty much subservient to what is listed below on the whole…]
1]The characters that can leave too much stuff on the screen for you to have any hope of being able to deal with it…
-Cable, Doom, Spiral, BH, Ironman[lesser degree], Sentinel
2]The ones that can do the impossible and get around all your crap.
-Storm, Magneto, Sentinel, Rogue, Spiral, Blackheart.
In case you and everyone else for that matter didn’t notice, Blackheart is in BOTH of these categories. A fact that players neglect when talking about Blackheart.
I remember a scene in one of the matches where you hit the Cable’s Pscimitar recovery with a hk and didn’t follow up. That was deliberately timed and not a fluke. I plan to steal that timing. My modification will be to do one of the following…
1]superjump upon landing and airdash over Doom as low as possible that will allow me to get to Cable, You superjumped and got past Doom after landing the hk, but you didn’t airdash low to get past Doom and destroy Cable. You went into the high air and he recovered.
2]airdash after the hk comes out [before I land] so that I fly over Doom, and get to Cable even faster giving him even LESS time than the one above.
-A variation of this could be sliding hk to increase the range of my airdash. If it misses [unlikely] I’m going to be right beside him to kill him via tag out, or DHC long before he stops bouncing. If it hits, Cable still dies the same way.
CoosCoos, I live in Canada, so if it’s second best BH in America I’d be disqualified. Everything I learned about beating Cable I learned by stealing it from Stiltman and the threads entitled…“How to tell if your Blackheart Sucks”, The Dasrik and Stiltman teach Blackheart thread [Dasrik foolishly deleted it because he made a really good Blackheart faq that absorbs much of the data in that thread…], and various other threads on Blackheart. Another thread that’s good you may want to look through is the “Blackheart Combo Thread”. That and I’ve been playing Blackheart for 3-4 years [And Marvel vs Capcom 2 since 1999].
Among the Canadian Blackhearts, the best ones of all time, I might view mine as among them, but if I did, it would probably be near the mid to bottom of the top ten. Closer to the bottom to be safe. My accomplishments can’t hang with the likes of the ones I’m mentioning here…
1]Samnang, [T-3 1st, T-5 1st, t-7 9th(this year)] numerous first place finishes in Montreal
2]Blackestheart, [numerous top 3-4 finishes in Montreal, placed well in T-5]
3]OrbitKid - I think. [The one that burried Ortiz at T-5 Canadian Fighting Game Championship in losers 2 straight and beat Ortiz once in the team tourney. I can beat his Blackheart though, and that makes it confusing for me to place myself…]
4]Dark Dragon [Steven] who uses Tons of characters and I’ve never beaten him even once with ANY team he’s used [let alone Blackheart who I don’t think I’ve fought of his, but I know it’s good…] He was in a team tournament at T-7[this year] with Jiggabry and Isaac Graham [can’t spell it]. His team finished second. This is despite Empire Arcadia NY having 2 teams in the tournament.
My accomplishments are finishing 4th in 3 tournaments, finishing 11th at T-5, and finishing no lower than 7th in most tournaments I participate in. Usually I place 5th. There are about 4 local Blackhearts that are in my league [that’s alot, mostly because of my beasting on players, the need of others to adapt to him, seeing Samnang on occasion, seeing Blackestheart on occasion, etc…]
I use a cross between Tournament accomplishments with him, percentage of usage, and whether or not I can or think I can beat their Blackheart to determine where I place the best ones of all time.
What I am, is possibly the best Canadian Blackheart that is willing to talk about strategy and try to help people improve their Blackheart. Besides Blackestheart, I’m pretty much it. Then people will realize that Blackheart is rediculously strong. Even at that, I’m trying to learn and make my BH unbeatable [since it isn’t. Then again, no character is…] Players that play me will find out that there are holes in my game that I need to fill.
Blackheart is my favorite character to use, so I make sure that I know as many different effective ways to play him. Most players can’t say that, or severely restrict themselves by only knowing 1 way, or 1 team.
I’d be among the top 5 easily if I could use Sentinel or Magneto better. That’s what I’m trying to do now of course [and should have put more effort into years ago…].