Read the quotes from the webpages you’re referencing ffs. They’re up there my previous posts. Here, I’ll help you:
AND, since you’re not paying attention, I didn’t say they were from earth, the hybrid said so!
So what show are you watching? And what webpages are you reading? These are the pages YOU used to back your claim, next time read em through.
You must be a troll, or stupid, probably both.
exactly why no one would see it coming for adama.
I JUST fucking went over the actual episode. Then I went over it AGAIN, and AGAIN, just to make sure I wasn’t fucking wrong the first time. Then I went to go read it, for the umpteenth time. The hybrid NEVER SAYS OUTRIGHT, that the final five were from earth. NEVER. Not ONCE, did I hear EARTH in her ramblings. I even turned the audio up as high as it could go. Do you want me to post the text? Because you are wrong.
YOU are saying they are from earth. It is YOUR INTERPETATION that they are from earth. YOU put it in your own mouth. I argued against, and presented a theory on why the fleet is the thirteeth tribe, and with good reason. This is what I believe, so don’t go putting shit in people’s mouths and giving me fake dialogue thats obviously fake. Because if you want I can extract the audio with a transcription of whats said.
update: its mr gaeta. If you think of the song as it was meant for D’Anna, it makes sense. It was in front of you all along. Also, the lines from the hybrid, makes sense in a way, when compared to gaeta’s condition
dictionary.com says that the definition of howl is…
the song itself fits “howl of terrible suffering”. Ever since New Caprica, he’s been looking for redemption. The people have viewed him as the one who worked with the Cylons and helped Baltar set up that terrible mess that was New Caprica. When he came back, nobody was comfortable being around him and many hated him. This fits the line “hungering for redemption”.
Upon watching the episode the first time last weekend, I thought it was Gaeta. Somehow I let that wander and questioned if it was someone else. I still think that it could be Ellen, but you can’t rule out Gaeta.
Still can’t read can you? I didn’t say it, it says it in the wiki pages you’ve been using as a reference.
The actual quote is: “The missing three will give you the five that come from the home of the thirteenth”
The thirteenth tribe’s home is earth (or whatever “earth” is in the show) that’s been set down as fact throughtout the series.
I don’t think it’s Gaeta, he was on BSG when the other 4 woke up. I think it’s someone else. But at least your picking living characters now. 
i was also thinking the planet would be crawling with Cylons. The Thirteenth Tribe could be 100% Cylon that were exiled from the 12 Colonies and left 5 behind to point the way to Earth.
final Cylon could be Dualla?
dude seriously. do you make a habit out of taking things out of context? The section you read that from clearly says “more esotric ideas”, and the entire page is labelled “human cylon speculation”, meaning that none of this is canon, its just what the writers of this page thinks. It also warns you at the top of page, This article is based on plausible speculation, which can violate policies on fan-generated theories if analysis is taken too far. While they claim that it’s plausible, they go ahead and outright say that the final cylon actually said “the final five are from earth” with absolutely no evidence to back that up. This is the major thing that I’m stressing here. THE HYBRID NEVER SAID THEY WERE FROM EARTH. Coming from the home of the thirteenth tribe could have a different meaning. This is my interpetation. Your interpetation, based on someone else’s interpetation, is that they are from earth. But both of these are speculation, as such, keep it to yourself, if you want to share it, don’t pass it off as fact. I sure in the hell am not.
The ancient thirteenth tribe’s final home was earth, but also remember that a large portion of their journey (and leaving behind temples and waypoints and all that) was from Kobol to Earth. So the trip there is just as important as the destination itself. My interpetation, is that just like the original 13th tribe, the final remnants of the humans, who came from different colonies of the 12 colonies, form a new “tribe” if you will, and essentially becomes the new thirteenth tribe. The final five has previously had a life on Caprica, and they currently live within the fleet. So this makes much more sense, than if you interpet the FF actually coming FROM Earth (during the show, via FTL), travelling all the way to Caprica to be installed and later become the FF on the way to earth. I’m not saying their origins don’t include Earth as their original homeworld, or whatever they are supposed to be from, but in this case the Hybrid COULD be telling us they are from the fleet, as that would make much more sense.
So if you decide to reply to me, stop replying to me with useless drivel that’s not even canon. If you want to formulate a theory, then formulate and present it from your own speculation. Don’t use someone else’s speculation as FACT as what you have been doing. Not once have I tried to use speculation as fact. You on the other hand, have been repeatedly dogging me about not being able to read, with quotes you have taken from the speculation page, which is clearly just as fan-made theory as you or I would think up.
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still think its not Gaeta? Theres a lot of evidence thats pointing to Gaeta, but also it COULD be a distraction from who the real Cylon is. It could be Dualla (her name means both sides or something like that) so just her name alone has a meaning. She could have a human life, and a cylon origin. You could never know, this is sci-fi, anything could happen. Remember that. Next it could be Starbuck, her return still remains a mystery. Ellen Tigh can still be a cylon, and reason why I’ve already posted. You can never know, because this is the sci-fi world, anything can be plausible.
You wouldn’t take the $20 bet that it was Ellen, even though you were SO SURE, now you think it’s Gaeta, and you use circular reasoning and misdirection to avoid logically answering any argument against you.
You used a wiki to back up your assertations, but when used against you, you then attack the wiki.
Put up or shut up. I’ve got better things to do.
Gawd i hope its NOT Gaeta, and he was singing the vocal version of what the tune the other 4 heard just before finding out they were cylons or something.
No sir.
I still think it could be any number of people INCLUDING Ellen. I still want it to be Ellen as that would be much more of a shock than Gaeta or Dualla would be. I did use a Wiki to back up my assertations about Ellen, BUT, I used a part of the Wiki that was based on facts and real comparisons (such as the one to Macbeth) as opposed, to using a page that is clearly labelled Speculation, and even has a warning.
You on the other hand, used the speculation page as fact. Used the photo, which you argued against me, that it was not canon b/c the guy who plays Tyrol said so and that they changed places throughout the pic, even though RDM is ONLY the developer and exec producer of the show. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about right? He doesn’t know who the final fifth cylon is, and can’t identify them on the photo amirite? The reason why the magazine article was so important, is not because the meaning of the photo itself, its the fact that they tricked RDM into saying that the fifth one is not even on the photo. He is the developer of the show, theyve known about the final five ever since Season 1.
She is the hero of the show. If you don’t believe this, then you must believe that the humans are the bad guys and the Cylons are the good guys. She’s done a ton of heroic stuff for the humans (retrieved the arrow, photographed the resurrection ship, risked visiting a Cylon base ship). If you believe that one of the biggest heroes on the show is gonna lead the humans to your doom, I can’t argue with that. If you think she was a bitch for the season 4 stuff she has done, well, you must not think she’s a hero because she did what a hero had to do.
The whole drama of Starbuck’s hero quest is the fact that its ambiguous and it fills her with doubt. If the Hybrid were straight forward and said, “your gonna save humanity, just keep doing what your doing,” there would be no drama. If you believe Starbuck is gonna fail and lead them to their doom… well, I think that’s pretty foolish to believe but I can’t argue with someone’s opinion.
I don’t believe much of what is said about the photo because it was not organized by RDM. I’m pretty sure RDM has never flat out lied too throw off the fan base from making correct guesses but I’m betting he’s not being completely honest with the whole final Cylon thing. RDM wants to keep the excitement up, so I’m betting he’s being ambiguous or giving double meanings with his statements.
Last thing, RDM and the crew may have had a definite outline for the entire show since the beginning but they didn’t have everything set in stone. For one thing, they never knew how many seasons the show would get. Second thing, they never forsaw that Billy’s actor would want to quit the show. That’s why he got killed later on, as a way for the actor to exit from the show. They never planned for Tory to be a Cylon cause she didn’t exist as a character in Season 1. I also believe that the final four that were revealed didn’t have proper foreshadowing, so I also believe they may have just been last minute random choices. I’m betting RDM took a long time deciding who the final four would be and thus the lack of foreshadowing.
I personally think that Baltar or Starbuck or Gaeta will be the final Cylon. It has to be a big character. Ellen is not a big character and it would be disappointing if she were a Cylon.
The only thing I do believe with 100% certainty is that the final Cylon is in the fleet and that the final Cylon will not be some random, new character.
But not suprising if she were, as the story of her arrival was completely bogus.
That’s something we all can agree on lol. You know guys, we, as BSG viewers are lucky that we are even getting any hints as to who the final cylon is. In Lost, we aren’t so lucky and we don’t get shit until they answer it, only to raise 5 more questions.
Booo! Not Ellen! Say no to Ellen!
I really like her character though. She was totally evil in the beginning and then you really got to like her during the occupation and then got sad when she finally died. :-/
Which makes me think… it can’t be Ellen. Her whole story is finished. The show is very character driven. Any changes the characters go through are used to further their character arc. Ellen’s probably wouldn’t really have an interesting reaction to this.
Besides… she’s not in the fleet. She’s dead on New Caprica. How the hell would she reappear!!!
The same way D’Anna did. I recently watched Final Cut. She came out of nowhere, and as fast as she came out of nowhere, she disappeared to deliver the video. Seems like they can move in and out of the fleet at will, especially back when they had Cloud 9. They said that at high-traffic stations, tracking anyone is difficult.
I always thought Adama to be the hero of the show really, but I think they do a good job of not focusing too much on one character.
If you mean doubt in the sense that she had doubted her significance, I’d agree. However, I haven’t seen much of her doubting the correctness of her intuition since she’s returned, which bothers me. You seem to think that her leading everyone to salvation is a foregone conclusion. If its so obvious, where’s the drama in that?
I think you’ve misinterpreted my opinion here. I wouldn’t venture a guess right now whether Starbuck will or won’t lead everyone to Earth. I just want her to not ignore signs that may indicate shes leading everyone astray, whether she does or not. Think about this for a second: If Adama decided the best course of action was to attack all the Cylons head on, wouldn’t it be a stupid decision even though you knew they would never kill off all the humans like that? That’s how I feel about Starbuck.
She’s the hero and everything she’s done so far falls in line with the actions of a hero. I’m not trying to convince you to like her but I have already pointed out that what’s she’s done so far makes sense and is ultimately heroic.
Explain to me, what would be the purpose of her telling anyone the remainder of the prophecy?
You think she’s a lying coward because she’s not forthcoming with the entire prophecy. I think it makes perfect sense for her to be silent about that. It makes no sense at all for the hero to get herself killed or jailed or silenced by being completely honest. Tell me how it would make sense for her to be completely honest?
I think she isn’t facing it herself. If she never confronted Rosilin about what the hybrid said, then I’d think she thought the hybrid was full of shit, so it would make sense for her to continue forward, but now I just get the impression she only heard what she wanted to hear to save face.
think about it this way. If someone told you that you were the harbinger of death, wouldnt you think they were bullshitting? That’s how I think Kara sees it. She wants to continue the journey of finding earth, and see how this all plays out. She can’t just up and say, hey guys, I’m the harbinger of death, might wanna throw me back in the brig.
I think she believes the hybrid and is freaking out. She’s had a spooked out face ever since she heard it. She doesn’t know what it means or what the actual results will be and telling anyone about it is not going to help her face it.
I just laughed to myself when I read this, so true.
No, she doesn’t think the hybrid was bullshitting, because she started narrating shit it said to Rosilin. If she never did that, I’d be inclined to think this to, but she did.