Ryu - As close to an even match-up Sagat has. Sagat still deals more damage, Has more stamina, has a faster fireball, Tiger Knee is better than Tatsu when done right, better jump in, ect. Ryu does however have a better crossup, speed, and maybe 1 or 2 more Ultra setups. But Ryu’s fireball trap with his super is pretty useless against sagat.
Cammy - only if Sagat doesnt DP every jump in.
Balrog - here’s vVv scrub for everyone to watch…PS Sagat wins. http://www.frame-advantage.com/beta/street-fighter-4/97-nec-x-singles/1010-vvvscrub-boxer-vs-eric-kim-sagat
Akuma - Yes he has a good vortex, but one mess up and its Over. Sagat hits like a freight train against Akuma. The Fireball war is pretty even
Viper - Has a glass Jaw like Akuma. It takes a lot for Viper to take one over Sagat.
Guile - How hard is it for Guile to actually get a life lead on Sagat? And even if he has a life lead and Guile runs away, he still has the better Projectile.
Not to mention the 18 other matchups that Sagat has. You said that none of these matches are in the opponents favor and i agree. But given the fact that he doesnt have a single match-up in the opponents favor is enough where he should be banned. Just do the math…
Of course Tiers aren’t 100% accurate, but they’re accurate enough to show where characters are when compared to others. In the interest of fairness, SF4 Sagat should be banned.
Just because he has a 13 point lead on the tier list doesn’t mean too much. And if you really look at it, there are 17 characters in HDR and 25 in SF4. So, Akuma in HDR is actually “higher” in terms of points/character.
But if you really do believe Sagat is overpowered, I definitely want you to start maining him and I hope to see your name on the top of the tournament results more often. You will find out that winning against high-level players will not only be dependent on the character you choose.
13 points is still a lot, especially considering that everyone after him in the tiers is pretty close to one another. Sagat does take skill to use, as does everyone, but it doesnt make him not overpowered. Yes I will be going hard with Sagat, and you’ll be seeing my name (Mike G) in the top 8 of tourneys in the time to come, but as with every character, it’ll take time…
dont forget about this wednesday. i was actually thinking of switching to tmr?
if you saw the history of this game you would see that even though sagat was always #1 he is still not owning up the game like you think. just see it this way, a jap rog or anyone else you mentioned can beat the best sagat players here. you have to think of it this way to get yourself on that level. because its not only the character that gets someone first place. its the mind set. there are a lot of sagat players in nyc. however you will still see these guys on top.
hope it made sense to you.
that sux man. i heard you live in li now?
yo shout out to alourd foreal. we gotta get some casuals going. being that you got guys fearing you already i gotta show you some things :wgrin:
This is easily the stupidest thing ive read in a while.
The giants are not banned, and in fact, Lightan is probably the worst character in the game. This isnt smash. You dont get to remove something from the game because you dont like it.
WoW MAAD backlash… and i by no means single handedly did it… the vote was made to ban them by damn near every player left at the end of the night… if there was no ban there wouldnt be a TvC tourney
Let’s bring a little light on this subject. During the tournament Basic Sausage picked one of those giant characters and put Joe in the losers bracket. After that almost every player in the tournament started to complain about the properties of the character. I witness some cheap stuff but I’m am not at your level of understanding the game to know if what I saw is legitimately gaming breaking. Then all of a sudden everyone started to say that the characters were banned in Japan.
Not that it mattered to me what the hell people on the other side of this planet are doing. I did not ban the character because of that and would never ban a character because of what an entire different nationality of people say. I told everyone there I don’t care what is going on in Japan what matters is what is going on here, so I asked the community “all for a ban say I”. Guest what?
The entire group said “I” so for now…the character is ban. We can have an educated debate on this to discuss the strengths and weakness of these so called banned characters and then come up with a reason to release them from the ban list. Any insight Keits.
I know you said that it’s not important what happened in Japan, but for the record, they were never banned. That was a mistake in a translation that went from Japanese, to french, and then to english. I verified myself that they were never banned.
That aside, If Joe lost to the giants, it’s because he doesn’t know the matchup. While I feel the frustration that some people have learning a matchup like this which plays differently than the matchups they have with the rest of the cast, it’s just another matchup, a matchup that’s easily winnable, and banning the giants just kneecaps one of the unique and interesting strategic points of this game, and ruins the competitive environment.
I know you guys won’t listen to me like you’d listen to someone like Keits, but I’m sure he’ll back me up on this one. You can’t just vote to take something out because you don’t know how to deal with it yet.