This scene looks cool until you consider what it implies: that Bruce Wayne spends his off hours sitting in a dark room doing absolutely nothing.
The virtue of Burton’s films is that they craft a strange, disturbing mood with their imagery and music. They’re like nightmare logic. The problem is, you can’t run a two hour narrative on that. The character and story development just aren’t there. The biggest insult of all is the Vicki Vale character: completely worthless, and perfunctorily thrown in for what passes for a child’s understanding of romance.
I think that’s the point we are suppose to convey from that scene.
In a single scene we are informed through pure imagery that Bruce is consumed by batman. It’s his day,his past,his present,his future and what he yearns for and thinks about when he isn’t suited up. The fact that he literally just sits around for the momment to become batman illustrates just how "lost"Bruce really is and how detached from himself he has become.
In the Nolan films, we get wordy explanations that is suppose to drive the narrative that Bruce is lost(like in batman begins with Alfred says"your getting lost in this monster you created)but we only hear about it and never actually see it. I think 1 of the issues I always had with Nolan is that he doesn’t seem capable of expressing his ideals and concepts in some meaningful way outside pages of dialogue. He lacks the artistic vision to present themes and tones visually or in a way that is effective and dramatic.
This isn’t to say I don’t appreciate his form of story telling but I feel like he gets lost a bit into his own dialogue…I think he forgets that sometimes you can feel more by seeing then just simply hearing.
This is a problem endemic to all of Nolan’s films, but that doesn’t excuse Burton for failing to envision any kind of day-to-day life for Bruce beyond sitting in the dark like a guy in a headache medicine commercial.
Well that’s the thing, while i appreciate that burton has the feel and vision I feel Nolan has the script and details…if only the 2 could fusion dance.
You guys arguing if Batman has killed? Because he clearly did in the Burton flicks. Not to mention pushing 2 Face to his death and killing Talia Al Ghoul.
I kind of feel for Nolan on this one, though. Action movies, even smart ones, have certain obligations put upon them. They have to please the crowd and they have to top themselves for the big finish. Oftentimes, this obligation takes precedence over the movie maintaining its intelligence, its narrative complexity, its internal logic, etc…
Basically, what I’m saying is this: a lot of legitimately good action movies lose their shit in a similar fashion. Batman Begins, The Matrix, District 9, whatever–each one hits the final act and goes off the rails. Literally, in Batman’s case.
Biggest mess up in the Begins movies was Bale qiutting being the Bat. Batman’s crusade never ends and he doesn’t just pass off the job to someone else. Biggest missing the point IMO.
Dark knight was the only"good"bale batman movie. Batman begins is inconsistent and dark knight rises is a fucking mess. Why is I that creators can’t nail "2"but not the 3rd or 1st films.
