Wonder Woman penetrating would be the most logical decision…
Also I blame it to Ben affleck,beware the bat and DKR.
Ben Affleck played a superhero before in Daredevil. Perhaps the worst comic movie I’ve ever seen and in no small part due to him. He has proven he is a skilled director, but his abilities in front of the camera (rather than behind) is a whole nother story.
Batman has the only power that matters in the world of comic books : Popularity.
This power is stronger than any power you can make up in your mind, scans and memes means nothing compared to popularity. Because they aren’t real.
If you wanna apply logic to comic world Batman would have been chosen as a Green lantern years ago then he would augment his Batsuit with Nth metal and Kryptonite and be a powerhouse on the same lvl as Supes and Wonder Woman at least. No way a genius of Batman’s level would allow his body to be destroyed on such a regular basis fighting superpowered beings with so many things in the DC universe for him to use to make himself a threat.
Batman would have gotten Martian Manhunter to mind rape Joker and put him in a permanent dream state while still alive completely helpless and llikely do the same to many of Gotham’s villain and it would be so fucked up.
Flash would be the most powerful and feared member of the JL because he solves problem before the rest of them realize there’s problems.
I could go on but you get the point. You can’t apply logic to superhero fights or most comics in general because comic world is ridiculous and things are done to sell comics.
Actually its quite a thing many DC fans dont get, the Flash, or at least Barry Allen is the most powerful character in the DC universe. Superman being at the top of the food chain is so 90s dude.
Anyways thanks for exemplifying a good point on plot armor xD
Barry is a power house I won’t deny that, but technically supes can almost move just as fast.
I get all this as I’ve made similar arguments to fellow comic geeks before in my life, however even with the fallacies there still doesn’t exist a established rule book within these characters. Batman can’t dodge bullets,can’t fly in space or turn into metal for example…in a world where writers can do what they want I’m sure even aunt may could beat the living tribunal. However just because its fiction doesn’t mean it can’t abide by some logic and common sense and having batman fight or beat superman in a fist fight or just beat him at all is against the very basic logic of their characters.
It’s the same reason why bulma could never beat SSJ3 goku.
Batman dodges bullets regularly…just saying.
Also comparing Bulma to Batman is a terrible comparision because there’s so much in DC’s world that makes average being into godlike beings. DBZ’s world little to none of that.
Using very basic logic Batman would never fight Superman in a fistfight so your point at it’s core is silly. Batman rarely fistfights guys like Croc or Bane who he can beat H2H in a fist fight. You can’t half step logic, if you want to apply logic someone as paranoid and brilliant as Batman would be suited to the gills with magic enchanted gear made of the strongest metal (either Nth or Kryptonite) forged into a suit and he’d likely study and use magic.
You can’t use real life logic in DC world then say it’d be a stomp because it wouldn’t. Either way this is moot because anybody could write that Batman got Injected with Super serum and is now as strong as the Sentry. Or he made a device that somehow steals superpowers.
The only real power that matters is popularity,it’s why Supes and Bats will never die even tho there’s beings stronger than both of them. Everything else is BS and can be debated until the end of time.
We’re getting off topic tho so forget it, you get my point I get yours.
Am still laughing at the thought of Bulma fighting Goku. Hentai request inbound.
I think a reasonable outlook on a fight between Superman and Batman has Batman regretting leaving the mansion, although you can argue for all time that Batman would have something up his sleeve, or in his belt, he would get his ass kicked.
In comics you can make them equals with any kind of storyline but in the movie Its going to be so much harder to pull off. Man of Steel basically set up Superman with some faults, but after Metropolis going down the toilet and from every Batman movie ever made, how is Batman going to compete with that?
Even if they did a smart thing and made this movie a stand alone using TDKR storyline, it would be a major bitch to pull of, not least to make it even remotely sensible for general audience members to follow.
The 2015 movie will need a touch of genius to pull off, and they already cast Benman so I think its all doomed.
Batman routinely gets the holy hell beat outta him by slade. Supes has enough physical strength to behead bats with the fling of his finger and he moves FTL…exactly how do you fight a opponent who can move instantaneously and who can break a planet with his strength. Under no circumstances is this fight even a fight considering the enormous gap in their physical attributes…the bulma and goku comparison is suitable because that’s the gap in power.
Check mate.
Batman “borrows” Hal and Guy’s Green Lantern rings. Boom he has more than a chance. Took me less than a second to figure out in real life logic it would never be that easy.
Imagine someone with Bats focus and intelligence far surpassing my own with the resources he has and many powerful close friends.
You’re not thinking this through at all. Superman was one shotted by Ocean Master. Anybody can beat anybody, it’s a story and physical abilties are easily overcome in DC’s stupid weapons everywhere universe.
this post needs x1000 likes just for mentioning my bro Orm.
We call instances like ocean master PIS or plot induced stupidity.
Batman being raped by slade is consistent though and in line with their established powers.
Also batman would never use Hal’s rings cause Hal and bats hate each other.
Once again we need to go based off the established rules set for each character and the fears they’ve had which enforce said rules. Batman under no circumstances can beat superman unless you ignore logic.
Now I know you’re not using your objectivity because I not so blatanly put “borrows” in quotes because I meant he’d steal them then use them in the fight.
Established rules for Batman? Okay Batman uses whatever gadget or source he can to win without killing. Batman uses opponents emotions against them to overcome being at a physical disadvantage. Batman bends the rules to protect himself and others. I don’t see why he couldn’t use some of the easily obtainable gear and weapons and become an absolute monster. Stark did it, Doom did it, Reed did it, Bruce could as well
I’ve already explained how logically a battle between the to would be much different without DC, or writers, or fans afraid of change in a real world setting. The fact that a genius like Batman would try to punch Superman with a barefist is a case of PIS.
No powers matter because it’s all scripted, only thing that truly influences who wins is popularity. It’s the only thing in the world of comic books that truly matter.
It’s the reason Spiderman and Captain America weren’t murder after fighting the Hulk so many times. It’s the reason Ironman wasn’t killed by Thor at the end of Civil War and it’s the reason Batman and Superman will never die. It’s the reason Superman beats Captain Marvel and killed Martian Manhunter in the Injustice comic even tho Marvel and Manhunter have more powers than Supes.
Supes’s more popular so he wins. The writers will find a way for anyone to beat anyone. Deadpool clowned Cyclops and a whole group of X-men by himself. Deadpool has clowned Hercules, Giant man, Captain America, and others at the same time.
None of it has to do with powers at all, they could give Batman powers next month. He’s not gonna be any less important or top tier in DC’s universe than he already is.
I’m done, you’re too stubborn to see things from my point of view. Have fun debating opinions, cheers.
Not quite, but pretty close…
Superman wins because his power set was established to be purposefully unlimited so that he can be as strong as he needs to be…with bats it isn’t the same thing. I won’t deny popularity rules in comics which is why comic fights often become jokes because it doesn’t make sense most of the time…taking a recent example, how is Thor jobbing so much in recent issues of avengers and someone like wolverine seems so useful.
This all aside though…some logic and rules need to apply otherwise it literally just becomes fanfic and gamefaqs territory.
New 52 did it perfectly.
Bats used his entire utility belt and eventually got caught cause all his"prep"time couldn’t overcome basic logic.
Tbh as much as am digging the new costumes the only thing the New 52 has done perfectly so far has been to kick Lois Lane to the curb.
Also as much fun it is to watch supertroll/reason4u to compete in the special olympics against each other over this shit, what I really want to know is how is any of this gonna translate to the movie?
None of the batman movies have made him come close to making him strong enough to even defeat his own rogue gallery convincingly yet they are pushing him into JLA with benman at the helm and its only going to scream fuck up.
Check out Watchmen again, the exact same fight is Owlman vs Doctor Manhatten. Outside of that I cant remember any other movie examples of shitty wtf match ups. Maybe Ackbar screaming its a trap as hes about to get pwned by the death star.
Am gonna go out on a crazy tangent and predict that Batman invents Metallo to fight on his behalf, cause fuck it, nothing else makes sense.
Batman and Lantern if I recall wasn’t really trying to fight Superman there and they just wanted to talk if I remember that issue so that’s a bit out of context.
Even still you’re still using half assed logic. Superman in real life would be differently fight all out but Batman would stay the same and not use all these other tools? Nonsense.
Comics already is one big fanfic most of the time. The new 52 as a whole has turned into Geoff Johns’ Fanfic, Hal Jordan leader of the lanterns? Guardians losing their minds validating Hal’s rebellion of them for years? Batman randomly being useless for no reason? Wonder Woman not knowing how to connect to people even tho she’s supposed to be an ambassador? Jesus that new Superman X Wonder Woman book’s premise is straight out of fanfic.
If your point is Supes can overpower Batman then of course I never said Supes couldn’t beat Batman but Batman could totally defeat him as well using the many insane tools that he refuses to use for some reason, likely CIS.
I don’t buy the “Superman is as strong as he needs to be argument” that applies to most characters especially each of JL members. All the JL members get nerfed to make the others look better than their solo’s.
Exactly their a joke, anyone can beat anyone. Finally we find common ground. But when you bust out cliche crap like “he’s the strongest because he needs to” is when I can’t take you seriously. You become what you hate, a fanboy for Superman.
Logic wise Supes would lose most fights against Flash or Manhunter and even the New 52 acknowledges that but he could beat them in comics as well. Because it all depends on how it’s written because it all depends on the writer. Not the powers.
slightly off topic, but when batman got that device that can rewrite your dna from kara in a supergirl joint from ways back right before ed boon did his little run on her. im like man, this nigga batman be sitting on tech. he could basically turn himself into superman with kara’s tech if he wanted to.
anyways, i hope the new supergirl actress will be good. yes im guessing a new supergirl will be in man of steel 2. please for that love of god get a good unknown or slightly known actress who can actually act. by the end of man of steel 2 or whatever its called, i wanna be like god damn supergirl shits all over superman so hard. swag.
please dont hollywood me snyder. i think you did good with the casting in man of steel, do it again.
He was the least of Daredevil’s problems. You can’t turn in an A+ performance when you’re given a D- screenplay.
More '60s, really. That’s when DC had an official edict that Superman was the most powerful character in the pantheon of DC heroes.
But yeah, from a logical standpoint, the Flash (or any Speed Force character) is at least the most potentially powerful, given that there is basically no limit in place. Strangely, you don’t see a lot of Flash vs. Batman stories.
Superman had a comeback in the 90s too remember. From what I understand most Flashes idolize Batman and are actually one of the few characters Batman is always cool with. Speedster vs Batman wouldnt make any sense on any level tbh. It certainly doesnt hold the gravity of a Supes vs Bats showdown, maybe cause he has no cape?
They should make a movie about Superman Prime. He is so powerful that only God is above him. He is the perfect bad ass.