BASED Preppy!!!
Took me two days to watch it because it’s so fucking boring but:
- It didn’t fix characterization of Superman;
- Fuck Lex;
- Lois and Clark only reason to be together is because they are Lois and Clark. They movie made next to no effort to give us a reason to care on WHY they should be together.
- Africa scene is better, but still incredibly stupid. Superman blocks the missile that was sent sent by 'Murica yet he is the one to burn people to death? And no one questions it? Lois was fucking there. I mean, there is suspension of disbelief, but then there is hoping the audience is gonna dumb enough to accept and roll with everything.
- Lots of scenes added were fluff. This movie did not need to be 3h long.
- Longer runtime doesn’t help the feeling that no one in this movie resembles an actual human being in how they speak or act. Not even gonna blame Goyer on this one, garbage dialogue is all on Terrio.
- That said, the first 2 acts of the movie flow better. Yes, this is actually a movie now. It’s mostly coherent in it’s storytelling. Third act is still a complete mess that means nothing, but most Hollywood flicks are like this, so meh.
- Lack of soapy nips bothered me a lot. Would’ve bumped the movie from a 4 to a 5.
If they bothered to get those characters in their most iconic form, I would ignore the vast majority of the flaws in this movie. But they didn’t. Snyder tried to “desconstruct” something that doesn’t even exist to begin with, since from day 1 of Man of Steel we knew this Superman would be nothing like the real one. You can’t deconstruct a fucking archetype if the character doesn’t follow said fucking archetype. This trying to have your cake and eating it too: relying on preconceived notions of the characters to tell a story while excusing yourself while saying these are their specific versions so you can do whatever you want. This is not good storytelling. This is not a good character study and it sure as fuck isn’t deconstruction.
That said, if this were later on the universe it could’ve worked. Showing Superman failing after the people in the universe actually trust have some long term trust on him would’ve been intersting. You could explore how Superman copes with it while actually give weight to the argument the senate was making. THis is partially due to Man of Steel sucking so much ass, but it’s still all on Snyder.
About Batman… Yea, I don’t really care. He shouldn’t kill though. It was their chance to finally get it right and they blew it.
Wouldn’t mind Jimmy’s rants if he didn’t take criticism towards this movie like somebody kicked his newborn baby. Hard.
Like chill bro, it’s just a movie, LOL.
Oh BTW, has this been posted? SHOTS A-FIRED!
PEW PEW!
Lois was inside the compound and didn’t see what was happening outside.
Superman destroyed the missle and drone so there was no visual evidence to prove that he didn’t kill the militants. I’d say with how people react to real life events and the nature of conspiracy, it is very reasonable to suggest many would blame Superman for killing the militants. Hell, even with video evidence otherwise there would still be people thinking Superman killed them lol
The Africa sequence is much improved and the movie is much better out the gate because of it
they were also set on fire and burnt to a crisp to make it as if Superman used his heat vision on them
Holy shit dude, it’s a fucking movie. We really don’t need to go into hardcore forensics on this shit.
People dead and Burnt up. Superman the godlike being with infinite power and laser eyes is around. No evidence to show he didn’t kill them so he killed them. The end. Fuck dude
You’re just being an asshole for the sake of it. This should not be hard to grasp that people would blame or suspect Superman killed those people.
Just think in the context of the real world and it becomes easy. Shit, you have a segment of the population that thinks the government was behind 911 or that the Sandy Hook massacre was done by blackops or whatever the fuck.
Now take our current context and introduce a super alien that a year ago his people wrecked the shit out of New York. You don’t think that some small skirmish in the desert where people died just MIGHT be this aliens doing?
And besides, who is to say that Superman would not use a gun anyway and burn up the people? I mean, it’s not like Superman existed prior in the context of this story in comic form to show he is a stand up guy who doesn’t use human weapons anyway.
In this story where he never existed, why not?
Dude, stop. Just stop.
Nothing worse than plotholes, except people trying to explain away plotholes.
Dodger stop.
Steel melt doesn’t fuel jet beams, brah.
Lol
This is an argument that exists purely to dismiss criticism. The Africa scene, while improved, still has gapping holes in it and the entire premise of the movie relies on it.
The movie takes itself (overly) serious, so suddenly the audience is expected to just roll with it and not actually take it seriously? Fuck outta here. Lois’ entire subplot is a complete waste of time.
There’s a lot of movies where you rewatch them attentively and it becomes a huge WTF (Star Trek Beyond being pretty notable that way). As long as it’s not too random/absurd, I think you just have to roll with it if you want to actually watch movies. MacGuffins and other plot motivators will often be needlessly contrived.
IIRC, the Marvel people actually have a dedicated couple of people on each movie to make sure things make sense. They did an interview with Honest Trailers or some other YouTube broadcasters where it got mentioned. I think that makes sense, but much like “RottenTomatoes scores actually mattering” I think it’s a new enough concept that Warner Bros just hasn’t gotten it yet.
I don’t mind macguffins or plot devices if it’s to further the plot forward. The issue here is that the scene the entire movie anchors itself on is fucked because of plot convinience. The foundation of this movie, which was non-existent in the theatrical cut, is just too weak to hold itself. And when the movie takes itself so fucking seriously, yet didn’t even bother to do the basics correctly, the experience as a whole breaks, at least for me.
Now look at Civil War, the entire conflict could be avoided by talking, but the movie’s plot devices (Peggy and T’Chaka’s deaths and the government’s being very in your face about the accords) held it together long enough that the audience could get invested on the movie and roll with it. Civil War had a bit of a slow start but holy fuck it paid off. BvS has a horribly slow start, barely tries to sell of it’s main conflict and is far more preocupied with getting pretty shots and imagery that’s supposed to be unconfortable, yet doesn’t really matter because the audience isn’t invested in any of it.
I’m pretty sure the bullet holes in the victims was addressed. I’ve only the Ultimate Cut once but the Secretary of State tells Lois that they found bullet holes in the corpses and it looks like someone is setting Superman up. The bullet she gave him tied together with the bullets in the victims and that’s how they both figured Luthor was behind the setup. Luthor set the whole thing up to make Superman look guilty. Even blackmailing one of the survivors to lie about Superman’s involvement and then killing her to cover his tracks.
is dodger jimmy’s alt account?
That was in the theatrical cut though.
I meant mostly the idea that someone would frame Superman like that. I know it kinda sorta works within a movie’s narrative, but c’mon, it’s Superman. He is one of the most recognizable characters in the world and there is certain stuff that we expect Superman to do on his most basic level.
I know it sounds like nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking, but it’s extremely hard to separate the icon from just the character and IMO, the movie didn’t do a good enough job at that.
Never saw the original in theaters so torrenting…I mean I bought the digital copy of Ultimate Edition. Will try to watch some time this week.