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Today in HISHE… “Martha was her name…”

Lex could be a great villain though. DC is really striking out here, now their next biggest bet is Joker, and I know folks are pretty divided on Leto already.

And we already have a precedent set of good DC villains, because Batman has THE Rogue’s Gallery. Like, no one can hold a candle to his.

Plus we had a very good Bane and Joker.

And in terms of MCU villains, yeah, no one cares. Hmmm thinking about it…I liked Ultron alot. I think the fake-out Mandarin(OR IS IT?) was a pretty neat idea. I don’t remember movie Ronin but cartoon ronin is a badass lol. But I mean, lets be serious, does anyone care who Deadpool is fighting? They care about Deadpool. Hell Winter Soldier barely had a ‘villain’, lol.

Ultron was terrible. Changing his origin so that Tony created him was a dumb move and all throughout the movie he kept throwing little jokes that completely took away from his character and instantly just made him a huge joke. The Mandarin is single handily the most insulting portrayal of a comic book villain I’ve seen since anything in batman and robin. Everyone else was either forgettable or boring with very superficial motives and lackluster presence. As stated, Loki is the only good MCU villain.

Nice opinion. Nothing you’ve said will change my mind in any form, shape, or manner.

Tony created him because Marvel doesn’t want to associate themselves with Hank Pym anymore for obvious reasons.

Thanks for respecting my opinion.

Changing Ultron’s origin streamlined the Avengers sequel, adding Pym into the mix would have made the movie clunkier and messier, they made the right decision.

Mandarin will always be considered a controversial decision, but it was also a ballsy statement: Usually these foreign dictators are stuff made up by Americans in order to create a false enemy and justify a war. No one saw it coming with the trailers and as a plot twist it was effective. And well, Marvel later said it was not the “true” Mandarin, so I don’t see a reason for complaining.

I’d like to have the Mandarin be the real enemy in Iron Man 4, after RDJ is recasted, perhaps.

Lol, i remember watching some weeks ago that movie and seeing Cuba Woddy Jr. as the unknown extra acting as a client during that scene.

Killgrave and Fisk??? (I know you only talking about the movies)

The change on Ultron’s origin only really happened cuz Edgard Wright took forever to get his shit together with Ant-Man. And then he left.

There was no Pym in the MCU yet, how would they give us the comic origin of Ultron? Ultron was fine, problem with Avengers 2 was that it was somewhat bloated and blatant sequel setup scenes that didn’t help the flow of the movie at all.

Although I agree with you, this is different because the TV shows are A) Awesome and B ) character driven. We get that with Heath Ledger’s Joker, and only a literal handful of movie villains.

Normal movie villains work like this(if they get ANY type of background at all):

-“HAHHAHA TRY TO STOP ME HERO” moment,
-Defeats the hero, Eye of the tiger plays for next 30 minutes
-tragic backstory.

And that’s it.

It would be great if everything was given the time, care, and precision the Nolan-Bat films and the Netflix Marvel has, but as this thread attests, its not a priority for DC/Snyder.

I don’t blame marvel for focusing on their heroes. I don’t think their villains are bad, but in my earlier example, in ANY deadpool movies, will we EVER care about the villain? Deadpool isn’t gonna sell tickets because of his villain. Hell, we’ve got Civil War coming up and sure, Zemo’s gonna be there, but I sure as fuck don’t give a shit about him.

DC should capitalize on their villains…Suicide Squad is interesting. They’ve already screwed up Luthor tho.

I say its for the better. When one of Pym’s trademarks is that he slapped his wife and the writers desperately tried to make him important, only to fail, I think he can Rest In Pieces.

Age of ultron didn’t need to have a super involved backstory on hank to introduce the idea of him creating ultron. Tony could have just said he was sitting on some tech his father left him and mentioned hank as the creator of it. If anything it would have provided some more relevance to the ant-man movie by directly linking hank to the larger MCU. As for ultron himself, again the constant jokes removed any threat or weight behind him. He’s not a comical character, it’s like making thanos into some goofy campy villain. Mandarin was a insult to iron man fans and again like typical MCU fashion everything is played up for laughs at the cost of storytelling and characterization. It’s a good thing marvel went back on this decision but still, it didn’t help that iron man 3 was aweful movie to begin with.

It was no Wright’s fault, the producers were the ones changing release dates according to their masterplan for the MCU story arcs.

I hated AoU the first time, in the theater, and talked a lot of shit about it back then. But in the second view, my opinion improved A LOT. Guess I was simply in a bad mood that day, or something? I’ve learned not to blatantly pan a movie before seeing it twice…

So I was going to type out a real response then I saw this:

Nothing to see here folks, move along…

The movies aren’t carbon copies of the comics. Ultron in the movies is based of Stark, hence the wisecracking. Ant-Man ties perfectly to the MCU as it is.

If anything, blame Edgard Wright. If it weren’t for him, we might have gotten the OG Avengers formation + Cap in the movies. But nope, since he was a massive bitch, they had to shoehorn too much Shield crap in IM2 to make Avengers actually work.

Mandarin had plenty of characterization in the movie. It was a persona created by Killian to fool the world. And he did, alongside the audience. I can’t even get mad at Marvel for the that since they clearly succeeded at what the movie intended to do. IM3’s only real significant issue comes from that mindblowingly stupid ending after Tony blows the Mk. 42.

IMO, Hail to the King shouldn’t even have happened. I don’t mind that it did, but I would’ve liked more if they stuck to their decisions.

Also, that notion that everything in the MCU is played for laughs has to stop. The “main” plotline set by Avengers -> Cap 2 -> Avengers 2 -> Civil War is clearly not for laughs. The other movies, while definitely more comedy oriented are building towards the Thanos conflict without being complete exposition dumps to the audience, like the crap BvS is.

Wow, is someone really defending that turd of IM3?

The fact that it tricked the audience doesn’t mean it was a good plot point. It was insulting and it turned one of Tony’s most imposing villains into a gag character for a shitty plot that has a forgettable villian that botched the extremis arc. Moreover ultron wisecracking goes against the character because as stated he isn’t a comedic wisecracking villian. Unless you would ok with dr.doom making jokes and being goofy it should be no different for ultron. It’s just a opinion of course but ultron much like Mandarin were botched badly.

IM2 is turd. IM3 is a solid mid tier MCU movie.

Iron Man 2 is basically the BvS (although much less grandeur) of the MCU: Depressing, confusing, bleak, sets up things for the shared universe…

Iron Man 3 is lots of fun but little more. Fun is good.

Both are equally bad.

IM2 was fine.

lol I like how Batman v Superman has been out for a couple of days and were already back to talking about the MCU :rofl: