Batman/Superman movie announced for 2016

General Discussion
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Surprisingly I actually enjoyed this movie. Yes, it was convulsed heavily into a glob with so many things going on at once and with things that didn’t make any sense, however to some of the reviewers (not those on here) who said that this movie was worse than the recently Fantastic Four, TMNT 2014 or the last few Transformers movies are out of their damn minds. Imo, the 30% rating on RT is absurd, when they ranked garbage like Kingdom of the Crystal Skull over 50%…come on now. I’d rather watch BvS again than seeing Shia Labeouf going Tarzan in Crystal Skulls <— That Nearly forced me to walk out of the theaters but the only thing that held me back was the fact that I had brought my little nephews and nieces with me.

It was really neat to see Batman (Affleck) fight in the same manner as his video game counterpart. Batman killing some people? Actually this didn’t bother me as much as it probably should however if anyone wants to really dig deep, go back to the OG Batman comic book days and the guy used not give a damn about the badguys he used to mangle with. Batsy would be smacking guys over railings and not thinking two cents about what happened to them afterward as well. Basically he actually killed back in those days.

Henry Cavill imo is a much, Much better actor than how he’s being portrayed in this movie. Far too many scenes where all you saw Cavill doing was sitting there watching the news trash on Superman and him giving this look like Sigh “I’m trying, but you fools are simply haters.” look, then flip to something else.

Eisenberg’s portrayal of Luthor is just frustrating, and it’s sad for me that the only Luthor to ever feel right was the one from Smallville. You know, stern, calm, but methodical with a feeling of “I can Trust you” but “I got this feeling you’re going to stab me in the back one day” type of feeling. I really can’t understand why this simply can’t become a reality.

Amy Adams as Lois Lane…this one bothered me THE MOST. If there was almost anyone who was useless, it was Lois Lane. She put herself into too many shitty situations that had me pulling my hair and I got to the point where I just didn’t want her to be on screen anymore. I’m not criticizing her acting, just how the character was portrayed.

Ben Affleck was actually a Very Good Batman and had me believing in him fairly quickly however the emotional rollercoaster that they had Bruce Wayne/Batman going through was the issue.

Overall, the Biggest problem was the Editing and the Approach of the Movie. The acting from Affleck and Cavill wasn’t the issue for me, but the storytelling which which failed this movie. However the final fight with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman vs Doomsday was very enjoyable.

I especially loved the scenes with Wonder woman and the camera angle of her leaping towards Doomsday…it was sweet. Unfortunately she didn’t get enough screen time.

Overall, even though the plotline wasn’t the best, I actually enjoyed the movie.

Ps: Please get someone else besides Zac Synder…I really believe with this Current Acting Roster, and in the right Director Hands, this could actually go somewhere truly positive.

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That’s not how RT works. The 30% isn’t a rating it’s simply a like/dislike ratio. The actual rating is a 5/10 which is a completely fair grade.

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I thought the movie was pretty good. If you took out the attempts to plug the Justice League movies and the dream sequences it would have been a solid film. I wasn’t blown away but I’ll watch the Rated R cut for sure. The worst thing about this movie are the comic books fans. Everytime one of these DC movies comes out people act shocked that Superman/Batman killed someone. Even if you ignore that these guys murdered people in the comics before they were made kid friendly, they’ve been casually murdering people in the movies since the eighties.


So…what are you complaining about exactly?

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Stop using this as an excuse - nobody with a brain accepts it. For the better part of 75 years, Batman has adhered to the “no guns, no kill” philosophy.

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The worst thing about this movie is people like you and Zack Snyder. From a business perspective, even ignoring the fact that you’re making a movie with Superman and Batman, you need to look at who has found the winning formula: Marvel. Small details change, but the spirit of most of their characters remains intact.

If Iron Man acted like Mother Theresa, there’d have been backlash.

If Aragorn was an Orc, there would be civil war.

If Harry Potter was a Muggle in the movies, the world would split in half.

For the better part of 75 years, Batman has adhered to the “no guns, no kill” philosophy. Not even gonna re-quote that, because it’s simply not sinking in.

Guess what, dipshit - those killings are what draw the most common complaints about those movies in the first place.

Superman has killed on rare occasion. Emphasis on RARE. Resorting to immediate lethal force is not part of Superman’s character.

Killing has not been part of Batman’s character since the 40s. It is quite literally out of his character to commit the acts shown in the Keaton films, or to employ deliberate lethal force in the Snyder movies.

Source material. Respect it. You don’t get to cherry pick non-canon instances of lethal force and claim them as character defining traits.

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We’ve been spoiled for years dozens of amazing artists and underpaid writers have added so much value to the comic book medium. A medium that is meant to be quick, dumb, cheap entertainment. At any given time we have a 10 or 20 solo superhero books running weekly/monthly from the big 2, maybe 3 or those runs are worth reading more than once. It should be no surprise that most superhero movies aren’t worth watching more than once, hell, realistically most movies in general aren’t worth watching more than once. Movies have their own pitfalls due to the way the industry they come from are ran just like comics.

It’s cheap escapism let go and roll with it, appreciate the good shit that was stimulating on other levels, and accept it for what it is.

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Fuck off. Nobody is expecting Citizen Kane, we’re simply expecting competent film making that respects the source material. This doesn’t just apply to comic book movies, it applies to any form of film adaptation.

Marvel has already figured out how to do this - DC should have learned how by now.

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Batman and Superman killing people in the movies was not a big deal. Retroactivly people complain about it but when we were kids we all enjoyed those movies. Your “non-canon” arguement is laughable. No super hero movie is canon. They are adaptations. Even comic books themselves aren’t canon because Marvel and DC can retcon whatever they want whenever they want. The point remains though, Superman and Batman killing people is not out of character. The version of the character you like might be against killing but there are other versions that aren’t against it. It all depends on the series, the writer, time period, ect. In this movie it makes perfect sense for Batman to do what he does because this is a Batman that has been broken due to trauma and has been driven even further by manipulation. Just like it makes perfect sense for Superman to kill people in Injustice: Gods Among Us. Yet, somehow if it happens in the comics it’s cool but when it happens in the movies it’s disgracing the source material.

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People didn’t give much of a shit back then, yes. People also had basically no exposure to Batman outside of the comics, either, because there was basically no Batman media since the 60s show, or the 70s DC cartoons. Nowadays, Batman has featured so prominently on TV and film that the viewing public finally learned to associate Batman with “no killing”.

As kids we didn’t know better, plus those movies were actually competent in terms of script and direction. BvS, ignoring the character flaws, is still a technical and directional mess.

Claiming that TDKR Batman is the defining version of Batman, like Snyder has tried to, is what is laughable. Canon is malleable, sure. So, when DC starts writing Bruce as a murderous psychopath in his main series, THEN you have a valid argument.

Demonstrably false, at least as far as Batman is concerned. People don’t get too upset that Superman kills, it’s WHY he kills that pisses people off. As opposed to Batman, who again, for the majority of his existence, simply DOESN’T.

The version of the character I like is the same version that has existed for over half a century.

No, it doesn’t. Batman has spent nearly 75 years with fuck knows how many writers, series, crossovers, and the majority of these versions still adhere to “Batman doesn’t kill.” Those that veer from this are uncommon.

There are alternate universes where Batman (be it Bruce or no) resorts to killing, and that is fine. It is not fine however, to use that kind of Batman to LAUNCH A CINEMATIC UNIVERSE. Why? Because at the core of the character, across the majority of iterations and realities, Batman does not deliberately kill.

It IS in fact possible, to declare his non-lethality as an integral part of his being. It is not just something that he says, it is something that the rest of the DC universe refers to, questions, and straight up berates Bruce for on many occassions. It has happened so often, and for so long, that Batman’s obsession with non-lethality almost rivals his obsession with crime-fighting. It is almost as important to his character as his parents being shot to death in Crime Alley.

It is not something that you can simply handwave and expect the world to play along nicely. Public perception plays a massive part in what defines characters.

Context. Injustice is its own self-enclosed series, it is a “what-if” series. It deliberately asks the question “What if Superman snapped?”. It is not attempting to be present a defining version of Superman, unlike BvS.

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I think sticking to the source material, while possibly important in adaptations, is the least problematic part of this film.

Because let’s just say we accept that Batman kills, etc, it still doesn’t give explanation to the truck chase “conclusion” where bad guys are get away scot-free in front of two so called heroes, it doesn’t change some of the inane character decisions like I NEED THE CHOPPA WE CANT AFFORD THE CHOPPER NO ITS NOT FOR WORK OK TAKE IT I GIVE YOU SPECIAL SERVICE and all other instances of insane decision making by the established characters.

Zak Snyder made a thing. I don’t care if it’s based on another thing or a reimagining. The thing he made sucks.

Would it be better if Batman doesn’t kill? It’d be one less complaint for people that know the source material, sure. But that couldn’t possibly save the film if the rest was there as is.

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I ignored your question because it was fucking stupid. Collateral damage from a fight between gods isnt the same as superman stopping a bank robber by throwing him through glass. Snyder obviously wanted to explore the consequences of what happens when these fights arent conveniently happening in remote locations away from people. When collateral damage is an issue.

I’ll address this in another post. But kudos to comic books, and some marvel films, that conveniently write their characters to always save someone in the nick of time, and always are fighting in remote areas where no one can get hurt. Snyder clearly wanted to go an obvious other route of what happens when you take out that flowering, love story of ages type of shit, and niggas is getting smashed through buildings in a city, and superman cant really avoid it.

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Apologetics isnt the same as correcting the wrong things you typed.

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  1. I mean, they didnt spend any time on wonder woman at all really, and lex didnt have a ton of time either. I dont really know where else they couldve squeezed in more story telling for batman. I couldve sworn bruce slightly addressed why after 20 years, hes doing it his way now. It was safe to assume that this batman has just lost his shit a little. I think anyone who casually enough knows batman, knows hes a bit crazy. The fact that writers make him out to be this dark brooding, untrustworthy, sociopath, who conveniently never kills, is already kinda silly to begin with, but its not something im bothered by. Nor am i bothered when hes lost his shit after decades, and is branding child rapist, and shooting down criminals that would gladly put a bullet in his skull at any given moment.

Introducing a new batman in BvS the way they did was bold. They started you off with an older, worn batman, who doesnt mind mowing people down, but by the end of the movie he has had a change of heart because of the death of superman. So we’ll see how that develops over time.

I can see how people are like, the fight between them seems a bit forced. I get it, but i still enjoyed the fight, and its nothing that serious to think the movie is bad over. Again, superman could end every movie, and every plot progression in seconds if he wanted to. lol. Sometimes you just let shit rock. We do in the comics ALLLLLL the time.

  1. I would argue that outside of hardcore fans, no one gives a shit about lex luthor. 90 percent of the casuals dont really care. We know who lex is, and how bad ass he can be. Maybe snyder didnt wanna waste the real lex in this movie, because he wouldnt have gotten to shine like he could in maybe the next superman movie. Im not sure what the reasons were, but i like jesse eisenberg personally, and his quirky, weird lex jr character seemed perfectly fine to me. He was an ego maniac, terrified by superman, angry that with all his knowledge he had no power against superman, and he had severe daddy issues.

Although the shaving of his head at the end seems like they intend him to come back, and want to use him as the lex luthor, but i dont know. Maybe it was just an easter egg for people. They wanted to show that final transition. I dont know. I just wasnt really offended by the character at all. I think the same people offended by jesse eisenberg as lex jr, also hate seth rogen movies. lol. Like its just not that big of a deal to me.

  1. Yeah, it was super dark. At one point when bruce was waking up in his lake house, and was looking up something on his laptop while talking to alfred. I said to myself, god damn, i cant even see whats on his laptop screen, its so dark. loool

  2. Word. I mean the dark knight was enjoyable for me, but im not the hugest fans of those movies.

  3. Yeah, i mean for years ive yelled how the arkham city games are like THE batman movies i want. Id destroy the dc universe right now, and start over if i could get the batman from those games. The enemies, the stylization, colorization, ect… are all so fucking good. I can understand how snyder turns fans off, or is at the least creating polarizing movies, but i enjoy them. I just find some of the very angry responses to it, to which i respond angrily, arent fully justified.

I think snyder chose his artistic direction, which hasnt changed since he did 300, and it turned out fine for me. But im a fan of 300, sucker punch, and watchmen. Im not bothered by snyder at all, and even think sucker punch is underrated. I personally like the directing of superman engaged in battle in very inconvenient places, which put collateral damage high. He saw the direct result of that when the guy blew himself up because he lost his legs during man of steel.

When you talk about something in BvS that wasnt explored enough, and may have felt ham fisted. It was definitely the guy who lost his legs, and went 0-100 real quick. I guess i woulda just like more reflection time from superman on that. At least a few minutes. It just kinda happened, and then we were right back at it with batman stealing the kryptonite, and prepping to beat supermans ass.

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Except most of the people in here arent typing normal adult response to the movie. Except what crotchpuncha did on this page, and i liked his post, and replied accordingly. Preppy and others have said some pretty stupid shit, and i corrected their ridiculous nitpicking.

I mean, snyder hasnt changed his tone since 300, and you already have seen man of steel. I dont know what anyone was expecting in BvS. Sorry you didnt get your dark, sociopathic, batman that still saves the day, and loves human life because writers just write that shit to avoid backlash from crazed nerds who hate change.

Characters seemed fine for me. Im fine with a 2 decade in the game batman who has long since hit has last straw about giving a shit about bad guys staying alive or not. Im fine with a superman whose a bit more emotional, confused, and pissed about stuff. Hes a normal guy trying to be a superhero. In the movie he even mentions how he thinks who he is, is just some made up bullshit by an idealistic father from bum fuck kansas.

Eh

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Also, i liked when they had batman creepy crawling around on ceilings and shit. Like zipping around. I thought that shit was so ill. How he ran against the wall, up and out of the house in that first scene with batman.

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Is it necessary to watch Man of Steel before this movie?

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Superman blew the fuck out of everything in MoS. Also Zod was there and then he dead. All you need to know.

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I just chopped it up to superman only caring about bruce, who at the moment was basically on a murdering spree, fucking shit up, and superman is like, they can go for now, lemme stop this sociopathic vigilante right now. I mean yeah, a scene of superman stopping the bad guys, knocking them out, and then stopping batman wouldve been preferred, but it really isnt that big of an issue. Also a lecture about him shooting up shit and killing bad guys to achieve his goals wouldve been preferred. It did appear almost like superman condoned the actions, and then just dipped off randomly. lol. But i mean, superman aint no snitch. So hes not gonna turn bruce into the police over it.

A little back and forth on superman scolding bruce for his lethal techniques, and bruce saying how hes not an invincible god who can fly, and bring down buildings by simply having a disagreement with someone. Like, i wouldve enjoyed a little something there of some sorts.

Really, lois lane asking for the helicopter twisted your panties that much? LOL. The most irrelevant moment in the movie. Did you also hate that clark got in the bath with her with his clothes on? LOL

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I think its time to stop responding to these “LOL SO WHAT BATMAN KILLZ” folks.

Like, if you don’t understand why batman not killing is important, you probably don’t understand why slavery was bad either.

Just admit you’ve been exposed as a troll, you’ve got no grounds to be calling questions stupid.

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