Whatever problems you have with Man of Steel, you have to be smoking that good good if you think any part of Superman Returns is better than it. The best part of Returns is the very beginning where he saves the airplane, its all downhill from there.
That and Spacey’s WROOOONG!!
The best part of Superman Returns is that he’s Bobby Long from Zack and Miri Make A Porno.
Returns and MOS have the same problem: they’re two different types of movies crammed into one, and each half makes the other half worse.
MoS wins purely by the fact that if you stick your fingers in your ears and go “LA LA LA LA LA” during the shitty parts, the story still makes sense.
Returns WAS a better movie…and it was still not great. Yes the movie where he lifts a fucking island of Kryptonite is better than MoS. MoS was terribad, boring (until the destruction porn-a-thon at the end), badly acted, and all the parts it was hinging on to draw you in failed.
Returns beyond that asinine island thing, was at least watchable and it was a Superman movie. You watched it and believed that was Superman and your mind made no stretch of the imagination to him belonging in that world. MoS Superman was so unbelievable and awkwardly fitting he never once made you believe he was Superman beyond the fact he has a damn “S” on his chest…which apparently isn’t even a fucking “S”.
Even RT agrees by a significant amount. Returns: 75% (I give it a 50-60%), MoS: 56% (I give it a 20-30%).
Returns felt more like classic 80s Superman., and by those movies don’t hold up well the more time that passes. By today’s standards, they’re horrible cheesy.
The Reeve movies started out so strong. It’s a major bummer how they deteriorated with each entry. I don’t know how you start a series with a genre masterpiece and end with one of the most abysmal superhero movies ever made.
Well, actually, I do know, but it’s still baffling.
I will hand it to SR: it’s technically excellent. Best shooting, cutting, and scoring of any modern superhero movie. It has the best toolbox, but that doesn’t mean they built the best movie with it.
I heard something today that almost made me go on a ass whooping rampage. Someone said that Taylor Lautner should be the new Batman.
Ahhhhh, “Set it Off” the movie that should have been everyone big hint that Queen Latifah loves pie.
Jesus the way you guy talk make me not wanna see MOS either, sounds like neither feel complete. BTW I love how you guys auto shift to shitting on other forums when the first place I heard Returns vs MOS being better talk was in the Man of Steel thread on SRK. I heard on others sites weeks/ a month later.
I saw this thread on Comicvine today that made me think, it said if DC lost Batman and Superman they’d suffer such a blow that’d fall below Image and Valiant not only Marvel. I think The loss of Batman is worse and him alone is enough to cripple DC let alone Supes and his fans but in the end a new Trinity with Wonder Woman, Flash, and Green Lantern would keep them alive but much weaker. I could see both honestly although crippling failure is more likely.
See MOS for yourself. Don’t worry about all the talk you hear.
I’d wait for the fan edit that removes most of the Lois Lane, Perry White & Co scenes at the end, cuts the final battle in half then you’ll see a highly enjoyable movie.
Somewhat related. Beware the Batman began life as a Batman/Superman cartoon series.
Just watched Batman The Dark Knight Returns, good shizzle :tup: Makes All Star Superman look like a giant turd :tdown:
Watching part 2 tonight
LOL they almost dragged Superman into that shitty cartoon? Who’s running DC’s animation department?
On second thought, it’s not DC animation’s fault, they’re just trying different things. That, and BTB got horribly nerfed in development after the theater shooting. They were probably going for variety with Young Justice/Green Lantern/Teen Titans Go!/Beware the Batman catering to different styles…
It’s the morons at CN that seem to believe they can only have two DC Superhero based properties running at the same time that are truly to blame…
If they had some kind of fucking block at a certain time that was actually advertised maybe they could fit all of the shows.
Just maybe.
I don’t know about any of the current stuff, but I’d watch the shit out of a dedicated programming block that featured BTAS, STAS, and JL/JLU.
If I had cable.
The Hub currently airs B:TAS, S:TAS and Batman Beyond. They running a lot of 90s WB shows like Tiny Toons and Animanics
I don’t get why they kept the cheesy tone and had Luthor return yet again for the 5th time. Even though I thought Spacey was a great Luthor I felt the whole thing was just too cheesy and drawn out.
Even the 90’s Bruce Timm cartoon was more adult.
MOS is slightly better by default just for dropping the cheesy tone.
There’s plenty of cheese on tap in most modern superhero movies, including MoS. The difference is that SR was knowingly made in the style of an older adventure movie. It telegraphs its tongue-in-cheek elements as a way of fitting into that subgenre, and, because it’s in a different style from the norm, we’re less likely to forgive or overlook those moments we might identify as cheesy. It’s not that the more modern movies aren’t just as cheesy, but it’s a different kind of cheese that we’ve become accustomed to in our time. We overlook it because we’re immersed in it.
A decade or two down the line, MoS, the Dark Knight movies, all the Marvel movies, etc. are going to be just as dated as any old superhero/adventure movie. People are going to hear these nonsense infodump monologues about phantom drives, microwave emitters, and other such bullshit and wonder how anybody ever accepted it with a straight face. They’ll scoff at the idea that anyone ever dared to describe these movies as “realistic” or “gritty”. Ironically, it’s going to be movies like SR and perhaps the Raimi Spider-Man movies that don’t age as poorly, because they were designed to evoke a different time in the first place.
I actually think that’s one of the strengths of the 1978 Superman movie as well. Superman is consciously fashioned as an older style of hero, and as a result, he doesn’t feel as hopelessly mired in the pre-Star Wars stone age like a lot of '70s action-adventure movies do. The subsequent Reeve movies feel terribly '80s because there are so many things about them–the naive view of computer technology, the high-flying battles that overreach their special effects capabilities, the tinny tone of the orchestra, and so on–that mire them in that time in movie history, because the producers were not nearly as mindful about creating a timeless feel.
I disagree. The 1989 Tim Burton Batman (Prince music aside) has aged really well. But again, I’m bias, I dislike the Raimi Spider-Man films and equally disliked the remake/reboot. Watchmen was okay. Would have worked better as a mini-series and with a better director.