Balrog is a broken character (rant warning)

[GoldenArch]

I never said Kens was better. Irrepressible was complaining about how the first swing of Rog’s super was 100% red hitbox. I just compared it to Kens’ who is 100% red hitbox for the entire active hit duration of the super. So are a few other supers.

(This is more towards Irrepressible, but can be generalized) Just because it’s a red hitbox, doesn’t mean that it can’t be stuffed - completely.

[IrrepressibleGuile]

ok, but what you’re not considering is that in those screen shots, you need consider the location of the hittable part of rogs graphics (his blue hit box), the distance between the red and blue is for too great for guile to hit effectivly, especially if he is corner trapped.

Like I said Im willing to be corrected thats why Im asking for volunteers to demonstrate how handle rog with guile against louie or 123corkscrublo

[JigglyNorris]

this is exactly what Im talking about, everybody is an expert on the forum, but putting it into practise is a different ball game. I’ve said many times im not talking about the average xbl balrog player.

All the dedicated guile players so far have agreed with me, only non dedicated guile players have said its not that hard. I guess the solution is for one of you guys to play 123corksrublo or louie using guile against their rogs and lets see if your theory can be put into practise. So who’s 1st to volunteer for the butchery???

Guile and Dhalsim are both of my secondary’s. I’ve been a dedicated Guile player for the past few months now.

Mr x64, I know you have a pretty bad ass Boxer and we have a good connection. Let’s get some fights in sometime dude.

[brian]

There were a bunch of fights of me vs louie in ST on 2df. Im not sure if they still exist now that it has become supercade though…

[IrrepressibleGuile]

There were a bunch of fights of me vs louie in ST on 2df. Im not sure if they still exist now that it has become supercade though…

cool, I’ll try to look for them. Are you ever gonna play hdr again? I’ve heard many people singing ur praises but I never got to play you, although I think I played ur ryu once ages ago. Or perhaps you could observe me playing one of those rog players and show me where I m going wrong.

[IrrepressibleGuile]

so you’re willing to pit ur guile against (smq’s? aka 123corksrublo) balrog???

[IrrepressibleGuile]

Guile and Dhalsim are both of my secondary’s. I’ve been a dedicated Guile player for the past few months now.

Mr x64, I know you have a pretty bad ass Boxer and we have a good connection. Let’s get some fights in sometime dude.

so you’re willing to pit ur guile against (smq’s? aka 123corksrublo) balrog???

[brian]

I’d stopped playing for a long time because I don’t like the HDR netcode, and I couldnt get on ggpo. I changed my ISP recently so Ive been able to play on ggpo finally. I think HDR is a good game, but the amount of frame skipping I get on it (plus lots of down time when trying to play due to disconnects and large rooms) keeps me off of it.

Edit: Just heard from Damdai- the 2df replay database has been deleted. Doh!

[JigglyNorris]

so you’re willing to pit ur guile against (smq’s? aka 123corksrublo) balrog???

Yeah sure.

[Rufus]

disconnects and large rooms

Disconnects and large rooms are broken!

[Coth_X]

I never said Kens was better. Irrepressible was complaining about how the first swing of Rog’s super was 100% red hitbox. I just compared it to Kens’ who is 100% red hitbox for the entire active hit duration of the super. So are a few other supers.

That’s fair, but does ken’s have as much range either?

Irr is just trolling now, he didn’t seem like this before, but now he seems like he just hates on everyone.

[GoldenArch]

That’s fair, but does ken’s have as much range either?

Irr is just trolling now, he didn’t seem like this before, but now he seems like he just hates on everyone.

In fairness to Irrepressible, half the fun of SF is complaining about something or other.

[Coth_X]

In fairness to Irrepressible, half the fun of SF is complaining about something or other.

Sure, but he wasn’t this bad before. The way he argues with people now.

[Big_O]

I don’t think I got a huge difference with changing the cable. It was a case of my line to the exchange is fucking long, I had better keep my internal cables as short as possible, and get some better ones while I’m at it.

Normal telephone cable is unshielded, but CAT5e is shielded. Probably won’t make much difference if say you are replacing a 1.0M standard cable with 1.0M of CAT5, but or long runs it really reduces the possibilty of crosstalk (telephone cables pick up interference really easily). The filtered faceplate replaces the standard ADSL block filter, and just cuts out a little extra cable. The internal components of the filter are also much higher quality than you usually find in the supplied filters you get with ADSL modems.

Replacing the filter is pretty simple. Just unscrew the front half of your phone socket (2 screws and the lower half just pulls out) and fit the filtered faceplate in place of the one you just removed. Instead of having a single socket which you plug the filter in to, you now have a seperate ADSL and phone socket at your main phone socket.

As for DSL modulation settings, this is just trial and error. Change it, ping a website, change it again and compare. It seems to have more of an effect on speed than ping though, almost like it just uses different frequencies. If we take ADSL2+ modulation as standard for example, and change to G.DMT, I find that I sacrifice a bit of upload speed, but gain some download speed. I don’t know what sort of margins, but on my connection it helped boost from 4300kbps to 4500kbps. I don’t know if 200kbps is a flat rate change (and would have only changed by that much if I was getting 20mbps for example), or whether it is a percentage of your throughput.

Most of this stuff probably won’t make a huge difference, but I was able to get my ping to the BBC from 30 to 20ms (it has been as low as 12ms in the past, but I guess I’m being routed differently these days).

Even something as simple as using a combined modem/router rather than having seperate devices may help (especially if you use a wireless bridge)

Thanks for the reply. I’ll see how playing around with the DSL modulation settings and replacing the filter goes.

[Remy77077]

remy…no offence, you’re a cool dude, but did u read the entire exchange between me and shari?..he was deliberatly trolling looking for a forum fight

Just for the public record, I’m not taking sides in this. I can see you both seemed to want a forum (real?) fight so no probs, you’ve had at it. And there’s been some fantastic info in this thread so it’s all worthwhile.

I do agree that even the tiniest amount of lag skipping and online speedup makes Claw a much tougher fight. Maybe I should learn to play a lag-friendly character…
Hmm, it does all kinda ‘depress’ me when you think about how poorly fighting games are conceived to deal with lag (because of course, they weren’t conceived with this at all; even newer fighting games that should know better… looks at SFIV). Hopefully someone will do a new game sometime that accounts for lag far better, I’m not sure it would be anything like the traditional precision of Vs fighting games as we know them though.

[Rufus]

Hmm, it does all kinda ‘depress’ me when you think about how poorly fighting games are conceived to deal with lag (because of course, they weren’t conceived with this at all; even newer fighting games that should know better… looks at SFIV). Hopefully someone will do a new game sometime that accounts for lag far better, I’m not sure it would be anything like the traditional precision of Vs fighting games as we know them though.

Sooner or later, a lot o that will be taken care of by better connections. As it stands, with a good connection, all it would take is GGPO-style rollback support and 2-3 frames of input delay, and it should be indistinguishable. Ultimately ‘good online play’ like that doesn’t seem to be the sort of thing developers or publishers are focused on.

[Shari]

Why do people seem to have the idea that the character with probably the least combos that mainly relies on poking and spacing would be helped by lag ?

[Decoy]

Why do people seem to have the idea that the character with probably the least combos that mainly relies on poking and spacing would be helped by lag ?

I’m assuming we are talking about Vega? If so, the lag helps due to the walking speed of the character. Combos has nothing to do with it. Lag helps all fast walking characters.

If we’re not talking about Vega then totally disregard anything I said.

[Shari]

I’m assuming we are talking about Vega? If so, the lag helps due to the walking speed of the character. Combos has nothing to do with it. Lag helps all fast walking characters.

If we’re not talking about Vega then totally disregard anything I said.

Are you serious ?

[Rufus]

Are you serious ?

By what mechanism do you think that lag helping characters has anything to do with combo/non-combo. Generally speaking, it’s characters with moves that are hard (but not impossible) to react to which benefit from lag. Everyone’s favorite example is probably whiffed Jab SRKs.