AWRIGHT! A Deejay Thread!

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You said if you’re having trouble in beating Ryu players, then your Dee Jay is not good enough.

I’m saying it’s a bad fight for Dee Jay, and that the top players have a hard time (vs. other top players) in that matchup.

Say what you mean, mean what you say.

I appreciate people posting their thoughts, and I know you are a good player, but I don’t think it’s helpful to other players when you mistag difficulty in matchups.

Yaya and YuuVega have the top Dee Jays in Japan.
Afrolegends has one of the top (if not the top) Dee Jays in the United States.
Between them, you’d be hard pressed to find a better Dee Jay.

Top Japan players are from Japan, and they do enter tournaments.
They are considered top players both for their tournament performances as well as their execution with their characters.

Do you see major things to criticize in Yaya, YuuVega, and Afrolegends gameplay linked?
Then go for it, site the specific link, note the footage time, and comment away.
I think these guys are very skilled, but every player makes mistakes and bad choices.
Once you start citing the references for poor play then the discussion can begin.

Yaya’s main is Sagat.
YuuVega’s main is Dictator.
But they still are recognized to have the best Dee Jays in Japan.

I believe Afrolegends main is Dee Jay, though perhaps it’s Boxer.

Sure thing, glad you liked em. :slight_smile:

I have some of these up here:
http://streetfighterdojo.com/superturbo/ryu/ryumatches.html#DeeJay

I have more links on the different Dee Jay matches if you need them.
The plan is to get them up at streetfighterdojo.com, but the html takes so long that I haven’t gotten around to it yet.

702

Yes, I do. I will reply with my comments sometime this week when I have time.

703

Actually there are a few lesser known DeeJay players in Japan that are at least on the level of either Yaya or YuuVega; after all, DeeJay is not the main character for those two.

One of these lesser known DJ players is Buzan, of whom there are relatively few vids available.

704

Thanks for the info BoggleMinds :slight_smile:

Here is a clip of Buzan vs. Ryu from youtube.

Buzan (Dee Jay) vs. Pyonkichi (Ryu)
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True_Old_School, please review this clip too in your study.

705

I reviewed a couple tonight since I’m at home sick doing nothing.

Gotoh (Ryu) vs yaya (Dee Jay)

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Biggest mistake here is that he just tries to counter 90% of Ryu’s fireballs with Maxedouts. As a result, he gets himself stuck in the corner which is obviously the worst position for Dee Jay to be against Ryu. He also seems to want to jump in at the worst possible times like when Ryu is basically just standing there waiting to uppercut. When he does get near Ryu, you can tell that he’s just rushing the moves desperately trying to throw him or just hit him in general.

Afrolegends (Dee Jay) vs. John Choi (Ryu)

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One good thing I see here is that Dee Jay slides every time he gets an advantage when trading fireballs. As a result, Dee Jay gets Ryu in the corner which can easily get a Ryu player nervous with the right pokes. When having a Ryu in the corner, I really like to use the standing roundhouse kick especially after they block a maxedout. Instead the Dee Jay in this video just tries to use standing strong and eventually lets Ryu out of the corner. If the Dee Jay player didn’t have to give up a round after accidently hitting start, he probably would have won the whole match. This is a solid Dee Jay though.

Buzan (Dee Jay) vs. Pyonkichi (Ryu)

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Now this is how you’re suppose to play Dee Jay against Ryu. Notice how he’s not trying to just exchange fireballs with Ryu? He’s patient, has good pacing, and jumps in at the correct time. In general, when you are near Ryu and knock him down, you ALWAYS go for the crossover. If you have good timing, the worst thing that can happen is that they block, and then you just throw them. This strategy paid off for the Dee Jay player in round 2. Dee Jay is all about crossover combos and that should be your number one strategy when playing him.

706

Something’s been bothering me that I might as well mention now since I learned the combo from watching Buzan’s videos.

Sometimes when I go for the jump-in roundhouse, c. fierce xx short dread kick combo, I’ll get dragon punched after the roundhouse, before my fierce comes out. It’s happened to me in-person at a tournament, so I know it’s not a lag issue.

What could the problem be? Is the fierce a link and is my timing off? Or can this sequence legitimately be interrupted regardless, even if I have perfect combo timing meaning I consciously have to bait the shoryuken if I know my opponent is good at reversals?

707

Please review YuuVega’s Dee Jay as well.

The 3-hit Buzan does in the video is a combo, as is confirmed in the “3 HIT COMBO” message in-game following the string.
In ST you cannot interrupt combos (outside of some very wonky Super tricks) because the moves keep the opponent in stun (block stun or hit stun) until they have finished.

708

Just make sure you time the RH as deep as you possibly can. Sometimes people do the RH too early and by the time they land to do cr fierce the opponent has already recovered.

709

Right, that’s probably the case. Thanks.

710

Also remember that cr.:hp: has a little bit of startup time to it, so that j.:hk: needs to be a little deep. Considering that you can only interrupt cr.:hp: at close range, that makes going for a deep j.:hk: all the more important.

711

YuuVega’s Dee Jay

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In the first match, I thought he played him well with smart jump-ins and good corner traps. Did you notice how he uses standing roundhouse? I really can’t comment on the 2nd match because he’s playing against Champion Edition Ryu, who clearly has an advantage over most super sf2 characters.

712

No, Honda is a “great” match for Dee Jay.

And no, in general if you’re not having trouble beating Ryu players then your opponents aren’t good enough. Against high level Ryu players their zoning is so perfect you have to work your ass off to get in, and when you finally do your usually at half life and have to be absolutely perfect with your mix-up?s because one mistake and bam, you’re zoned out again.

Trust me, I know that Ryu match up inside and out. I can absolutely destroy the average Ryu and I consistently beat very good Ryu players. I sent Amir to the losers bracket in the semi’s at Evo. Amir is a very solid Ryu player.

The simple fact is you lack the match up experience against high level Ryu players. You said DGV is the best you played or seen, I think that says a lot. Because while DGV is a great Ryu player, one of the best on Xbox Live, that kind of skill level is the very least your looking for. If you haven’t played hundreds of matches against numerous Ryu’s of DGV’s caliber then you don’t have the high level Ryu match up experience.

So while its easy to say “Oh just be patient” it’s entirely another thing to actually play Valle, or Choi, or Afrolegends (who’s Ryu is just as sick as his Rog/DJ, people just don’t know) and actually execute.

You know this actually hurts your argument right? I agree that Buzan played that match exactly how you should against Ryu, and it still took a great comeback in round 2 to send it to round 3. Also he was dominating round 1, then he made one mistake and was full screen again and lost. Round 3 the Ryu player made a big mistake throwing that second fireball that close, he was just asking for that dizzy.

Also the Ryu player let Dee Jay just straight up walk in on him too much. That’s actually one of Dee Jays best tools in that match up is to just walk forward, problem is that Dee Jay has the walking speed of T. Hawk, so most of the time you can barely take 3 steps before being pushed back by a fireball. You can clearly tell that Buzan was the better overall player, and it still was a hard match.

Again, Claw (where he has the slight advantage) is a good match for Dee Jay, Ryu (where he has a significant disadvantage) is not.

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I played John Choi in person awhile back and recently played him a few months ago on the PS3. He is a good player but personally, DGV gives me a harder match up. DGV is the best that I’ve played “currently” which means Xbox live and PS3 and I doubt there are “numerous” Ryu players on his level. Give the guy some credit for being a really tough player to beat. I use to play at Family Fun back in the 90s so I have some experience with SF2 in general…lol Mike Watson, Tomo, Gerald Abraham, George Ngo, Frenchy, James Cha, Sean Mann, etc…I’ve played with all those guys.

Alex Valle? I beat him years ago in a Super Turbo tournament at Golf Land Arcade in Socal. I know he’s a really good player on all the newer games, but I could tell that he started playing SF2 late. This was probably 5+ years ago so maybe he’s better at the game now.

I have not played Afrolegends but he accepted my friends request so hopefully we’ll get some games in soon.

Have we actually played before? Maybe you can help me with my lack of “match up” experience. Sitting here at a computer arguing over a video game is not something I really enjoy doing, so I’m done with this. I rather the play do the talking so maybe I’ll come out to some of these local tournaments. Hopefully, I see you around.

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Are you sure Choi plays on the PS3? I didn’t think he played online.

Also I give DGV all the credit in the world, he is an elite level Ryu player (and there are numerous elite level Ryu players, just not on Xbox/PS3) but he’s not on Choi’s level, very few people in the world are. So the fact that you have a harder time with DGV seems kinda loony to me.

That’s very impressive if you were able to hang with those guys. Are you anyone we might have heard of? People love hearing from players who were around to play legends like Tomo.

You must be real old school if you think Valle started playing SF late. He’s actually not that great at the newer games. He’s best games are ST and SFA2/3, where he is one of the best in the world.

We definitely have played before, we only played two matches that I’m pretty sure I won. I do remember thinking you were very good and wanting to get some more games against you.

Also I wouldn’t be able to help you because I don’t play Ryu, but you obviously have played some elite Ryu players.

I just don’t see how you could and not think that Ryu is Dee Jay’s worst match.

Please do! The socal HDR tourney scene is really awesome, just a bunch of cool guys who enjoy playing ST/HDR and are always looking for more talented players.

Also I would love to see how you handle Ryu in person, because I’m pretty confident I have that match figured out, and I just don’t see how that’s not a bad match for Dee Jay.

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As you note Bruce, I think it speaks to personal perspective as to whether a person feels Alex Valle came late to SF2 or not.

I’m with True_Old_School on this one. (being a player of SF1 and World Warrior in SoCal back in the day, playing at Yellow Brick Road in SD and at UCSB, as well as dipping into alt.games.sf2)
Alex didn’t emerge as a presence on the scene until Alpha, which speaks to True_Old_School’s statement that he started playing SF2 (or perhaps SF2 at the high end tournament level) late.

Also want to thank Bruce and True_Old_School for taking the time to review the Dee Jay players and both bringing their considerable knowledge of the game/characters to bear.

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Valle played way back during the old World’s Finest Comic tourney days (only us old men So Cal players would remember those). If my memory serves me correctly, this was back around '93-'94 or so. He just didn’t become famous until the Alpha 2 era.

And while I’m lurking in the DeeJay thread, I just want to say, Bruce, I hate your Dee Jay! :slight_smile:

717

History lesson in a nutshell -

Never played vs Tomo nor played at World’s Finest.

I played since SF2 CE edition and entered random local tournaments.

Met Watts at the beginning of SFA1 era.

I entered my first major tournament in Vegas for SFA1 where I met John Choi for the first time.

Being the best is such old news…
Being consistent is where its at now

718

Can I quote that?

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Just to clarify (because I worded my post very poorly), I never saw you at World’s Finest but I do remember you telling me that you played back then. I thought that you told me that you did play there a couple of times but that’s probably my old man memory confusing me. :karate:

720

I guess this means that we almost got schooled by Bob Painter, eh? :wink:

Sorry, Bob…couldn’t resist. :slight_smile:

And for the record, I’ve never been beaten by Alex Valle…

…because I’ve never played him!!! :smiley: Yes, I’ve been in the same arcade as him and watched him play and…yeah…didn’t put my quarter up. Noooooooooo no.