Did i ever say say this movie is allowed to be like that because of potential sequels? Hell no. I’m only defending this movie because it came off as an average movie. I never came in this thread and made this movie out to be the second coming.
Fact is i enjoyed the movie and even with that enjoyment i saw alot of faults that was in it. At the end of the day those faults didn’t send me over the edge in anger. It could’ve and should’ve been better but what can you do. I don’t think he should be scrapped off the project. As i said he needs someone else to write this movie especially since this movie was based off a first draft that he himself wrote.
Using hope as a defense is really damn weak, I must say.
BURNING EDIT: Please don’t quote all of that Kusanagi. You’re just taking up space.
That’s literally the first thing I thought upon hearing that particular change since I just expected the Fire Nation to end up white-washed like everyone else since they were the lightest to begin with.
And that Zuko becomes a good-guy just makes it worse considering that’s probably the reason his scar is so downplayed.
I can’t wait until he gets Katara in Night’s version…
At least you at admit that.
That said, I don’t see how cartoons are as much of different medium from movies outside of the fact that SFX in cartoons don’t require as much of the budget. Otherwise, there’s not nearly as many obstacles as trying to translate from literature to film (or vice versa).
Wow, if Kusanagi02 wasn’t posting inane BS defense in this thread, then this might take the cake.
Seriously? You’re saying that just because this is essentially fan-fiction that tries to stick close to the core of the story that it can’t possibly be anything less than “awesome” even if it’s not great?
…What the hell.
See what I said to Kusanagi. That’s no excuse for anything; neither is hoping that something will improve when a lot of signs show the opposite.
I mean, I suppose I could sort of understand this mentality that for some reason origin movies always suck but that doesn’t mean they HAVE to.
You are just deluding yourself now.
Twilight says hello.
At least you admit that it’s so bad it’s good rather than just saying that it was good.
I think all of those reasons are lame.
Sorry I would want to make sure I’m doing a good job. I would have people to critique my work and tell me if it’s good or not. When they give me their advice and I’m still getting negative feedback from the majority, I’ll assume that I’m not the right man for the job and I’ll look for someone who I think can do it better than I can.
Not hating it because in the crazy possibility that someone lets another get approved, it might just be better. Also with the actors being forced to take acting classes, they shouldn’t have gotten the roles in the first place if they weren’t good to begin with.
I know full well that the studio is trying to get a return on its investment, but unfortunately there are still a lot of people who believe what they are spewing.
Oh, I just read an article while typing this that described him as a “tortured genius”. 
Unbelievable.
Anybody catch the penis in the film? Apparently this guy (starting around 2:30) said Princess Yue’s hair from behind made a massive penis.
Was reading elsewhere and someone said the film lacked explaining some things such as the avatar state and Katara getting a waterbending teacher at the North Pole. It didn’t even occur to me since I already knew that from the show so I don’t get how, if at all, those who haven’t seen the show understood it.
I’m sorry man but you’re really trying to push your opinion on other people when it comes to this movie. At no point in this thread have we the people went out of our way to make this movie seem perfect.
To me at least there is nothing wrong with expressing optimism that things will be corrected in a sequel.
Hate the movie, fine, i don’t care. I see your points in why you hate the movie but don’t go out of your way to try and make it seem like people are dumb for getting enjoyment from the movie.
Avatar state wasn’t explained until Book 2
QUOTE=Soldier Zero;9155212]Anybody catch the penis in the film? Apparently this guy (starting around 2:30) said Princess Yue’s hair from behind made a massive penis.
Was reading elsewhere and someone said the film lacked explaining some things such as the avatar state and Katara getting a waterbending teacher at the North Pole. It didn’t even occur to me since I already knew that from the show so I don’t get how, if at all, those who haven’t seen the show understood it.
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I thought the only thing about the Avatar state that wasn’t explained until Book 2 was that if Aang died in that state that the line of avatars would be broken.
I’m pretty sure everything else was explained by the time that they went to Roku’s island.
Never said that people were trying to say the movie was perfect. I don’t know where you’re getting that from.
I’m just really confused that people are trying to defend Shyamalan of all people.
At least with Bay, there’s a visual orgy of explosions.
There’s something rather wrong with it when you’re using that optimism that things will improve as a defense that its prequel was decent or good.
I’m not. As I mentioned earlier, I don’t really care if people enjoyed this movie.
What’s bugging me is that people are saying it’s a decent or good movie. It’s like it was trying to say that Street Fighter: The Movie was a decent or good movie just because I like it even when I realized that it’s So Bad It’s Good.
I (and others) get annoyed by BS like that, especially since, as seen in Spooty’s post, three of his four reasons for liking the movie don’t even have anything to do with what happened in the movie.
To say it more plainly, I’ll just use the Twilight series as an example. Sure, it annoys the hell out of me, but I keep my mouth shut about it…until someone tries to tell me that it’s a good or even decent example of literature or film. And then I tell them to get that bullshit out of here.
I’m sorry if you’re somehow insulted my reasons–I perhaps because I keep calling things BS, but that’s out of annoyance rather than trying to say people are stupid–and such, but I really don’t know how to say it more plainly or less offensively.
Ultimately, I can’t take away your enjoyment of the movie and I don’t care to. I just don’t want you lying to other people (even accidentally) and saying that it’s good or decent and they should go support this piece of shit.
Hey, I never said they were good reasons. Maybe I’m just an optimist and I WANT it to turn out good.
Me saying the movie is good isn’t lying. Its a fuckin opinion. How people go about this opinion is up to them.
Sigh. Let’s just agree to that we should all be hating Mr. Shyamalan right now and then agree to disagree after that.
Very well. I’m pretty sure none of us wants to see the live-action Avatar movies fail since that’s how most people will exposed to it. Hell, I want to see it succeed even though I think live-action adaptations are completely pointless, which is why I groaned like almost everyone else did when Night was announced as “director”.
Fair enough. Not that opinions can’t be wrong, but I do apologize for saying you were lying.
I don’t recall ever seeing The Damned saying “you must think this movie is garbage or you’re an idiot.”
I’M the one doing that.
You must think this movie is garbage or you’re an idiot.
You must also think Dr. B is the new age Metal Jesus.
He didn’t say it but the way it was worded it came off that way.
Either way Specs, my opinion of the movie is just that, an OPINION.
Still haven’t seen it yet, but my friend saw it and he just ravaged it and he too is a fan. The main problem seems to always come back to the narration. Well if that’s so it leads credence to the theory that bringing the whole Avatar story to the and making it as good as the show was impossible. There have been plenty of TV show adaptations, but this is one of the rare times that Hollywood is actually doing a total adaptation of the STORY of the series and thats a problem in itself. Its difficult to do that with a book, but cut out the narrator and show what he describes and keep the dialogue you got a 2 to 3 hour movie. But with Avatar M.Night he was trying to adapt 7 1/3 hours of TV into 1 3/4 hours of a motion picture. Even if you get rid of crap like the Great Divide it would still be like 6 or 5 hours of the show that is very important to the overall story. How is it possible to make it work in that time period. Maybe in a 2 or 3 hour movie, but even then that would be pushing it.
It really wouldn’t be pushing it. If the Harry Potter movies could do it, Airbender could’ve did it too.
If it was a 2 hour and 15 minute movie, all the exposition would be gone and things could’ve been presented instead of told. At least then, the movie would’ve had more weight to it.
i hate to break it to you but it doesn’t work that way.
i’m telling you… they started cutting shit because the actors were horrible. the dialog just isn’t m night’s M.O. nor is the heavy narration. it was a quick fix to hide as much garbage acting as possible.
i’m not a shymalan hater, but at least his previous movies were at least cinematically adept if anything else. this story just feels like large chunks are just missing and replaced with exposition, and i’d have to have more faith in him as a filmmaker, despite his writing having been his downfall. there are parts in the movie where you can tell he took alot of time to shoot right and got creative, and then there’s parts with odd cuts, and where face shot marathons take the place of cohesive dialog between multiple characters.
Actually it does work that way. You form an opinion on anything based on how you as the individual felt about it. Its the basis of how everything is critiqued. It doesn’t make the opinion right or wrong.
Watching Avatar pretty good though not on the level of top or even high tier animes, anyways in Bato of the water trive I noticed the guy arm wrestling the bitch looks exactly like ryu:rofl:
I for one agree with you. There are just some people out there who are just incapable of accepting an opinion that’s different from their own.
I would just move on if I were you.