Is it a question or an answer to my own question ? I am confused 
From my understanding its safe vs everyone (exept Adon) but I am more interested in knowing the frame situation after an empy jump.
Pieton : before I say this imma admit that im not 100% confident in my answer. I believe that if you empty jump as though you were safe jumping you will land 1 frame before your opponent enters neutral (so you are effectively at +1 frame). I work that out because Ryu hits SRk in the last frame of your jump on wake-up and the difference between blocking on empty jump and attacking jump is 2 frames. So if youre -1 on actualy jump-in youre +1 on empty jump. think that makes sense anyway�
EDIT : just realised I was wrong about this. If Ryuâs DP hits on last possible frame and has 3 frame start-up and the difference between empty and attacking jump is 2 frames, then you would be at -2 ( I think. Been drinking tonight so my maths might be wrong lol).
And yes, I do not think you can safe empty jump Adon. I do not know if he is the only character you cant do that against though (doesnt Cammy get up early too?)
Waste
^ yah as I said in my post after editing i was wrong. Ryu is at -2 after empty jump (was watchign stream and not thinking too much). VS Adon your landing will be on the exact frame that his revesal would go active.
btw it is amazing how you say im crying yet you remember that I called you a rookie. I couldnt remember a single thing youve ever said to me cause it really means absolutely nothing. Sowwy I upset you and you remember the nasty names I said in response to you talking trash and being obsessive for hours⌠awwwww, da poor little nerd 
(I dont evern mean that btw, youve talked shit for ages, Im just also talking shit. Guess its what they say about equal and opposite reactions� ) Plus lol. Talking shit at someone online. So pathetic (not saying that at you, im just saying it in general).
Waste
^ no he isnt. Well⌠yes he is, but we are talking at odds again. Youre talking about landing frames, the question was about frame difference between a jumping character and a waking up character. I know the technicaliteis of jumping.
Lets do this via 5 year old maths 
When Ryu empty jumps another Ryu after a sweep the Ryu can hit a SRK and it will score on the last possible frame (otherwise you would not be able to empty jump a 4 frame move). In other words, the attacking Ryu is unable to defend for 3 frames after the defending (the waking up) Ryu returns to neutral. So of course, if the defending Ryu did nothing, he would be at + 3 frames over the attacking Ryu.
The difference between blocking on empty mump and attacking jump is 2 frames. Add 2 to -3 and you get -1. So the empty jumping Ryu is at -1 frames over the defening Ryu who does nothing.
I know what you are saying about -2, youre talking about landing frames. the question regarded frame difference bettwen the two players when the attacker empty jumps over a waking-up opponent. That is not 0 frames.
maybe you should check what youre actually talking about before raging? ***I am not trooling, please do not cry. Thanks. ***
P.S I kinda like that we were both wrong. You said 0 I said -2 the actual answer is -1 (unless the oppâ has quick wake-up).
PIETON : please word your posts more carefully. Such sentences as : "When I empty jump from a Safe jump set up, whats the frame situation ? " are far from clear, and when I have to deal with BG, whose number one pleasure in life comes from arguing with me, your ambiguity causes issues. THANK YOU.
Waste
Youre such a pathetic and idiotic tool itâs unreal.
When Ryu DPs your safe-jump attempt he hits you in the 2nd landing frame where you are unable to block (hence you can safe jump 4 frame reversals). that means that the other Ryu has woken up 1 frame prior (he hits DP 1 frame before you land, 2nd frame of DP is your first landing frame and you cannot block, 3rd (1st active) frame of DP is your 2nd landing frame, the last frame when you cannot block). Hence it is obvious that the other Ryu wake-up on the last frame in whic you are in the air. If you empty jump you dont have the frames where you cant block, you land and can do w/e. Clearly you therefore land one frame after the other Ryu wakes-up.
Honestly, you are the biggest douche I have ever spoken to on SRK. You are obsessed with attempting to prove me wrong, and you fail 100% of the time.
once again, when you attack in the air you cannot block for 2 frames when you land. A 3 frame move is the only move you cannot safe jump, so it must hit on the 2nd landing frame where you cannot block. The opponent is begining SRK on their first wake-up frame, you cannot block for 2 frames when you attack. Someone please tell me what 2-3 is. Im certain its -1, but BG apparently has some alternative level 1 maths book where 2+2 = Z.
BG : Its amazing how the ONLY time you even attempt to make an informative post is when its against me. What did I do to earn this unhealthy obsession you have? Seriously, go look through your last 20 posts and tell me the 1 recurring theme. Obsessed much? Do you dream about me and wake-up thinking about me (youd be +1 on wake-up btw). Seriously WTF is your mental issue? Do you stalk people often? Are they generally online poeple you dont know in person? Do you fantacise about online personalities you dont even know? Bottom line, you are a freak. If you disagree with me just say so, dont fucking post 30 times against me, thats just a fucked-up obsession.
Waste
^ I know you can block on the first frame of an empty jump you idiot, that isnt the discussion, the discussion is the difference in frames between the attacker landing and the defender waking up and the answer is -1. Jees, I LOL so hard at your unhealthy obsession with attempting to prove me wrong. Da fuck is your issue?! SERIOUSLY? go to the doctors, tell them you are obsessed with certain online personalities and take the pills they give you. PLEASE, for your own sake!
PIETON : SORRY! The answer to your question is that an empty jumping ryu lands 1 frame after the opponent wakes up. If you empty jump you can block as soon as you land but you are sitll giving the opponent a frame, which is why this is only used for reversal baiting.
Are you sure Darth that after an empty safe jump Ryu is at -1 ?
I am asking this because I recorded blue Ryu doing a sweep to white Ryu, empty jumping
and doing a grab at the earliest opportunity.
Now If blue Ryu is -1, White Ryu should be able to jab it out of his grab witch I am unable to do.
^ LOL, sorry Pieton. I hope my above post (the last one) answered your question.
How can you explain I cant jab out Ryu who does an empty jump grab then ?
Waste
The Fact that I cannot out jab out Ryu suggest after an empty jump I should be at neutral frames.
Now i have done another test that suggest we might be at -1 frame.
I sweep Sagat, empty safe jump and jab him out. Since he wake up 2 frames later we should
-be at +1 ( if we are -1 normally)
-be at +2 ( if we are at 0 normally)
Now I recorder Ryu I am trying to grab ryu out of his jab. Now I have pretty good success. I doubt
at +2 I could grab Ryu so easely, so it suggest we could be at only +1 , and the jab is just time 1 frame too late.
Just tested it with turbo function on. you can jab him out. thanks for proving me right (hadnt thought to test it like this).
Oh btw, when I did it without turbo it was really hard cause you dont get the reversal window, but with turbo on, yah, you can.
Pieton : when you are testing it you have to do it a lot. Because you do not get the reversal window you must hit the jab at the absolute frame to beat the throw. This DOES happen, which proves that the Ryu jumping in is at -1. Whats interesting is that BG told me to appologise for being wrong. Now the shoes on the other foot im wondering what level of hypocrisy might be revealed.
Yes thats right, Its not easy testing since to jab Ryu out is basically hitting a 1 frame link. So many try are necessary.
there is also the fact thats not easy to do a perfect timed grab after an empty jump⌠at least when your recording because you have to make sure you get sweep at the same range when Playing it back.
One more time I am unsure. After empty jumping another Ryu how long to you to bait a perfectly timed SRk reversal before
being safe of pushing a button.
Its important information since vs any character you can calculate how many frames you have to wait after your empty jump
to OS , tech or other options.
Waste
^ Pieton : Thats easy to answer when youre talking about a perfectly timed SRK. If you are empty jumping you must wait until your third landing frame before hitting a button. thats hard to time though (well, its near impossible) youve just got to get used to feeling the tiny pauses. I suggest you try this repeatedly in traiing room if you want to use it. The other thing is that you have to be aware of the opponents other options,âŚ
lets say you are baiting a SRK but your opponent things you are going to empty jump and throw then. They may crouch tech. If you leave 3 frames to beait the SRK and then attack you may well end up being hit by an OSd C.Lk (from the Os throw). so it is always a risk, there is never 100% certaintly, but specifically for the SRK, you are talking about waiting until the 3rd landing frame before hitting a button (an din this instance it might be worth OSing a throw with the poke you want to use, just in case your opponent did wake-up throw).
BG i actually am ignoring you from now on. I know that reversal windows are for specials. Thats my point. you have to test it repeatedly because you do not get the reversal window when just hitting jab. honestly, there are 3 possiblilties about you :1 ) you are just trolling. 2) You do not read things properly. 3) You are simply an idiot.
given that you obviously didnt understand what I said, and that pieton also just agreed and repeated what I said, im thinking its most likely you simply do not read things thoroughly. i would ask you kindly to read posts before responding and calling people idiots when they are right. THANKS!
oh and yes, I did bother to test it, because unlike yourself I do actually care about SF and the forums and I also wanted to help Pieton out by insuring I was giving correct information.
Waste