Waste
Well I have reread posts.
So if Ryu srk hit in his second landing frame it mean I have to bait a 3 frames reversal for 2 frames before attempting to push
a button.
Vs Guile for example I will have to wait 3 frames before pushin a button.
Vs Cammy from a Sweep set up I will have to wait 5 frames, since she wake up 1 frame later and has a 5 frames reversal.
No wonder I get hit by her reversal often after an empty jump because I OS c.lk+c.lp to quick.
Guess it better to just delayed that jump in by 1 frame and do a safe jump.
Waste
BG you said Ryu is at neutral frame after an empty jump.
-If a reversal Srk hit me in my second landing frames, that Srk had to be activate 1 frame before I land.
-So if it can be activate 1 frame before I land other opponent must be at +1 naturally vs an empty jump.
Or do you agree with DP, about the -1 , otherwise how explain neutral ? Reversal got bonus of +1
or perhaps the waking animation take 1 frame more.
I remember asking the question to Theli and he wasnt sure exactly of the answer…
Is there a concensus about -1 or you think its neutral ?
Edit: I miss your last post I will never empty jump Guile when I can safe jump him 
was just a academic discussion
specially since you can bait reversal anyway with Safe jump. You may empty jump Guile from a throw set up if you know he going to reverse and you dont want to miss your 1 frame safe jump.
I get the general idea, you can bait both throw and reversal with delayed crouch tech , but you open yourself
to be frame trapped by normal.
The most important thing I want to be sure is are we at -1 or 0 after an empty jump
I only looked quickly cause watching SB5 but from what I saw your numbers are correct, yes.
Waste
Simply I tought its important to know whats the exact frame situation after an empty jump to know my options.
You said you prefered to use c.mp when youre going for a delayed tech, why ?
I always p-link my c.mp with c.lk and c.lp so anytimes I am throwing a c.mp I am techking. Sometimes you get surprised tehcking…
Waste
Waste
^ LOL @ BG backing up cause hes wrong. Can you say “hypocrit”?
BG : The question was “whats the frame situation when Ryu empty jumps an opponent.” The opponent is 1 frame ahead of the jumping Ryu. The juping Ryu has chosen to do empty jump. Empty jump is a move. It puts him at -1 on landing. Let me guess im wrong now because I changed something? i agreed with you all along (even though I was right and you were wrong). ROFLMFAO.
ANYWAY… can we put this shit aside now youve been proven wrong? Can we just all contiue to contribute to the forus because none of us are briliant yet and hopefullyby utually exchanging inforaiton we can improve?
Pieton : the reason to use OS C.MP for throws is because C.Mp comes out one frame quicker than C.LK and has great priority. C.LK isnt bad at all, C.MP just beats it slightly, and even then its situational, C.Lk can be a good choice too.
Waste
^ youve just been proven wrong by both my reasoning and Pieton’s testing yet you cannot even accept it?! Oh well…
btw, its interesting you see more chilled now you are contributing. Why didnt you just do that all along? Id be more than happy to have your honest, non insulting input, and hopefully when we are working together instead of bitching we can all (all the regular Ryu foru members) actually spend time improving in the game instead of wasting each other’s time with this meaningless BS.
meh, im more than willing to let bygones be bygones and just all contribute positively so I guess it depends whether you would prefer ore epic, obsessive trolling or to work towards a mutual goal of actually getting to be very good at SF.
^ youve just been proven wrong by both my reasoning and Pieton’s testing yet you cannot even accept it?! Oh well…
btw, its interesting you see more chilled now you are contributing. Why didnt you just do that all along? Id be more than happy to have your honest, non insulting input, and hopefully when we are working together instead of bitching we can all (all the regular Ryu foru members) actually spend time improving in the game instead of wasting each other’s time with this meaningless BS.
meh, im more than willing to let bygones be bygones and just all contribute positively so I guess it depends whether you would prefer ore epic, obsessive trolling or to work towards a mutual goal of actually getting to be very good at SF.
Waste
Double post
***thank you. 
I knew if I baited you to reveal your true ignorance and stupidity you would take the bait. ***
and again, you spastic, we were never debating the basic mechanics of jumping Youve put that like 5 times even though it isnt relevant and was never even asked. Retard. Seriously, NO ONE EVEN ASKED ABOUT THAT! READ!!!
I would talk trash at you. But now, I feel so sorry for you for being so stupid and ignorant that to add to the pain of your obviously pathetic existence would just be cruel. Bye bye
Waste
WTF?! no i didnt. I said if you do a safe jup and attack youll get hit in the 2nd landing frame where IF you attacked in the air, you cannot block. Shit man why the hell do you always try and change why I say?! Are you that desperate to try and get 1-up?! Its just sad man, seriously.
And youre talking about guts to talk here?! YAH CAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU!!!
Waste
^ YOU DID IT!!! Congratulations! Thanks for playing! After so long trying you found 1 typo that I made as an error! YAY… are you proud?
p.s its fairly obvious I meant SAFE and put the wrong word only. Anyone who wasnt so very very deperate to find a flaw in my arguments would realise that was a typo. But you succeeded in your mission. well done!