Ask Kim1234 about random Bison sh*t!

[NDRWPNDY]

NDR how did you go about setting up the Abel trick? Tried it in training and I couldnt get it

You be Abel, put your back to the corner, and then record Bison. Have him f+throw Abel in the corner, whiff c.forward as soon as you’re done your throw animation, and then just jump into the corner with j.fierce (so that if Abel doesn’t roll, your j.fierce hits him in the back of the head when he wakes up). Then just playback and try to EX roll – I get him rolling into the corner every time.

[mikehascookies]

This setup sounds very interesting. Does it behave the same regardless of which corner you do it in? Each corner has different properties when it comes to things like crossups.

[Shervin]

This setup sounds very interesting. Does it behave the same regardless of which corner you do it in? Each corner has different properties when it comes to things like crossups.

How so?

[mikehascookies]

A lot of jump ins that cross up in right corner put you on the same side in the left corner with the same spacing and timing. Jump fierce for instance.

Since this setup sounds like you’re basically crossing them up and forcing reversal roll to autocorrect, I’m wondering if the timing is different depending on the corner.

[Azza]

Hi Kimi, whats your personal match up ratings for Dic?

[NDRWPNDY]

A lot of jump ins that cross up in right corner put you on the same side in the left corner with the same spacing and timing. Jump fierce for instance.

Since this setup sounds like you’re basically crossing them up and forcing reversal roll to autocorrect, I’m wondering if the timing is different depending on the corner.

Yea, one thing is that if you whiff c.forward and then do j.fierce in the P1 corner, you keep Abel cornered if he blocks/doesn’t roll. In the P2 corner, different story – if Abel doesn’t roll, it seems like you end up cornering yourself.

Another thing I’ve noticed about this setup is that it seems to make it very difficult for Abel to even execute commands. In the P2 corner especially, the roll command won’t necessarily give you a roll. Sometimes it will come out as a whiffed EX wheel kick, and other times nothing seems to want to come out at all.

I feel like the Abel player really needs to know this Bison setup in order to navigate it properly. Pretty fucking awesome.

[m16ghost]

Why do people always ask this? It’s reaction. Someone else already asked this in the Q&A thread I believe.
Yes, people react THAT FAST when they’re ready for it. I played a Master/GrandMaster in Japan where I would literally not jump into about 60 seconds into the match and as soon as I jumped (like as soon as my feet left the ground), he met me in the air with Rufus j. HK. This happened two times in one match and those were the only times he jumped the entire match.

I think because if you can’t do it on reaction, you want to know if you’re just slow or if it’s impossible.

I remember seeing Big Marcus land j.mp x2 ultra on just about everyone at Midwest Championships. But then I watched more matches of him and saw him whiff j.mp x2 a few times (the opponent didn’t jump). So it seems to me that even high level players can’t entirely do it on reaction, or if they can, it depends on the spacing and the opponent.

[Fr0st_Blade]

I think because if you can’t do it on reaction, you want to know if you’re just slow or if it’s impossible.

I remember seeing Big Marcus land j.mp x2 ultra on just about everyone at Midwest Championships. But then I watched more matches of him and saw him whiff j.mp x2 a few times (the opponent didn’t jump). So it seems to me that even high level players can’t entirely do it on reaction, or if they can, it depends on the spacing and the opponent.

I think it’s very important to make sure you react to them until you get to high level when you can weigh risk vs. reward of randomly jumping at the opposing player. Sure hell attack to Ultra can win you the game, but what if you jump into Ryu lp DP into Ultra? What if you jump into Rufus j. HK into EX-SS? For most players, I’d say until you get to the level that you can reliably predict what the opponent will do, or force them to do something, you should rely on reaction. Also, it’s important to note that it’s easy to whiff hell attack on opponents with variable jumps (Rufus, Cammy, Adon, DeeJay) since you’re reacting to them leaving the ground, but they have several different trajectories.

[m16ghost]

I think it’s very important to make sure you react to them until you get to high level when you can weigh risk vs. reward of randomly jumping at the opposing player. Sure hell attack to Ultra can win you the game, but what if you jump into Ryu lp DP into Ultra? What if you jump into Rufus j. HK into EX-SS? For most players, I’d say until you get to the level that you can reliably predict what the opponent will do, or force them to do something, you should rely on reaction. Also, it’s important to note that it’s easy to whiff hell attack on opponents with variable jumps (Rufus, Cammy, Adon, DeeJay) since you’re reacting to them leaving the ground, but they have several different trajectories.

No argument there. Just explaining why that question gets asked. If you know it’s possible to j.mp on reaction, you know that’s something you can work on.

[ohayo1234]

This thread is genius. My question is this: I’ve seen multiple japanese bisons do multiple inputs for ppp teleport during opponents block strings. I have seen this done vs rogs and sonetimes vs ryu. Why is this used and also what is the input used? Is it like cvs2 ptf or something?

Mashing son

I have a lot of trouble with Balrog, Chun-Li, and Blanka players. Any tips you can offer?

And on the Adon match up, you say to use s.HP to beat out off the wall kicks. When should I do the fierce? When he’s on the wall?

Do stand fierce as hes coming off the wall, when else would you think of doing it

Sorry I’m going to need specific questions about the match ups above , it just takes too long to type everything up.

But here are the cliffnotes version*

Balrog= hit and run
Chun= run most of the time
Blanka= attack at guaranteed times, turtle HARDCORE when life is even on both ends

Sup broski,*

How many match ups do you pick Ultra 2 for, and how many of those match ups do you even really get to use it?

Signed,
The Under Dic

Abel= 1 or 2, dunno yet which is best
Adon= 2
Akuma= 1 or 2 , dunno yet
Boxer= 1
Blanka= 1 but 2 is prob better
Viper= 1
Cammy= 2
Chun li= 1 or 2, either
Cody= 2
Dan= 2?
Dee Jay= 2
Dhalsim= 1 if you think you can get in, 2 if you want a little luck*
Dudley= 2
Honda= 1
Fuerte= no idea but prob 2 is better*
Fei Long= 2
Gen= 2
Gouken= 2
Guile= 1
Guy= 2
Hakan= 2
Ibuki= 2
Juri= 2
Ken= 2
Dictator= 2
Makoto= 2
Rose= 2
Rufus= 1
Ryu= 1
Sagat= 1
Sakura= 2
Seth= 2
T. Hawk= um 2
Claw= 2
Zangief= 1 or 2

[martyr84]

Hey Kim the good fei longs are being a pain in the ass nowadays. Saw you do some nice zoning with standing forward. Do you usually play keep away against fei or would you rush them down under certain situations?

[media=youtube]z7mby6dqY8U]YouTube - Kim1234 [Bison] vs hageshii jeng [Fei[/media]

[ohayo1234]

Heyo,*

I was watching AndyOCR on stream yesterday playing against Keno and I saw that he picked U1 instead of U2. I was arguing with DS over it on IRC and he also believes its the superior ultra in the MU because you can AA with it if he mistimes a jump or you can use it just for chip… I was wondering if you did the same? To me it seems like you won’t often get the chance to land an Ultra at all unless off a focus; what makes U2 shine though is that you can buffer QCFx2 whenever to counter random dash punches (and most Balrogs I play do indulge in throwing these out every so often), to the point where I would actually consider it a threat that should reside in every Balrog’s mind. But maybe I’m missing something here. Obviously, AE is taking this away but w/e~

Against really good Zangiefs, how do you manage to apply steady damage when all you want to do is run away? I cannot for the life of me think of a good game plan. I’m scared to throw out RHs because they’ll lose to random lariats and make me eat 5050s. I’m scared to random slide, even at max range because I’ll get sp’d. His footsies do match Bison’s easily and he can buffer into green hand~ Anti-airing is super risky because it often trades/loses. Maybe I need to experiment with c.Fierce a bit more~

That being said, are there any particular instances where you find yourself using c.Fierce/standing close Fierce as AAs? It feels so unnatural to me because you let your opponent’s body be so close to yours before reacting~*

Finally, how do you deal with Sagats that will just jump back all day, corner themselves, throw tigers and whatnot and mix in the occasional TK to beat your attempts at advancing? I have no problems whatsoever with Sagats that will try to play footsies, but when they just run away, it feels more strenuous than fighting Dhalsims.

The best range for boxer to do jab straight rush punch is impossible to do reactionary U2 on. For that reason alone, I don’t consider this ultra to be best fit for fighting boxer. U2 often gives bison a false sense of security, it makes him think he can give up his charge and walk forward more. This is not the case and it doesn’t coincide with how you need to play in order to beat boxer

Vs Zangief :
You need to stand your ground or gief will run you over. Walk with him and push him back with stand forward and roundhouse. You are at risk of getting hit by a random lariet but you can also punish a whiff lariat easier now using stand roundhouse. Don’t give up ground space so easily. Jump straight up fierce beats badly timed lariats FYI and using different strength versions of devils reverse to maneuver around is very good

I never use stand roundhouse as anti air on purpose vs gief, I always use low fierce, but because of giefs short jump any anti air you try might whiff, so I concentrate on keeping him grounded and IF I want to anti air him, I’ll low fierce or meet him in the air with a neutral jump fierce or roundhouse or jump back/jump towards fierce

Vs Sagat:
Luckily for you, now sagat does shit damage. What you want to do is not attack sagat. You don’t want to fight him straight up. You gotta play the match up right, if you fight up close you’re playing his game. Focus fireballs to get ultra, build meter also at the same time. If sagat never has ultra, he’s never scary.*

[ohayo1234]

Kim,

I would like a run through of the Akuma match and what the best way to deal with dive kick mix-ups including avoiding the cheap as fuck dive kick head grab. *How do you play Akuma?

THX

Also, does Neurosis or TUC play anymore? *
Are you ever going to get to EVO or any other major American tourneys?

The best way to deal with akuma’s dive kick is to not put yourself in that position. Even though Akuma takes damage pretty bad, you are not suppose to be the aggressor. You counter what he does and you stay away from his sweep.*

If you get knocked down , use ex headstomp, normal devils reverse, teleport, or ex psycho as a reversal. Akuma has to do different things to counter each of these wake ups

I haven’t talked to neurosis or TUC since SBO. I heard neurosis is still playing. I might go to EVO since I plan to come back to the states in April

Hey Kim the good fei longs are being a pain in the ass nowadays. Saw you do some nice zoning with standing forward. Do you usually play keep away against fei or would you rush them down under certain situations?*

[media=youtube]z7mby6dqY8U]YouTube - Kim1234 [Bison] vs hageshii jeng [Fei[/media]

I don’t rush down fei and I don’t run away. I go toe to toe with him. He is too hard to read on his wake up and he’s got really good footsie tools. So yeah stand forward and try your best to punish whiff rekka . Fei prob wins this match in the long run since he has a legit counter for almost everything bison is known for

Do you sometimes use delayed quick get up? If so, in what situations / for what purpose? How do other players use this against you, I think I remember you saying that Mago was really good with the delayed quick get up.

What are the best counters against Claw’s walldive? I’ve tried different attacks while jumping away, but nothing seemed to be really reliable for me.

I have lots of trouble against Fei Log, how do you approach this matchup? Right now I think it’s best not do a lot of stuff, just stay out of his range and try to react to whatever he does because otherwise Dictator just eats CHs all day. Unfortunately that’s pretty hard to do and if the Fei player is smart and not baited easily he is often able to walk me into the corner. Do you think that’s the right approach or is it better to be more agressive?

I use delay get up a lot. Most players time their setups usually to deal with normal quick standing wake ups. Most people use delay getups to make my Safe jumps whiff*

When vega does wall dive, as he’s coming down from the Apex of his dive, do an uppercut motion + ppp. You should end up behind him and able to nail him with a roundhouse. What I haven’t tried is if I can land a Beefier combo or at least a throw (TEST THIS OUT FOR ME)

Your Fei Long strat sounds about right

Hi Kimi, whats your personal match up ratings for Dic?

Too many match ups to list. Do you have any specific match ups in mind? Be specific, I can’t answer general questions in detail

[Azza]

Too many match ups to list. Do you have any specific match ups in mind? Be specific, I can’t answer general questions in detail

I was looking for just the match up rating for every match up without any detail other than the score you would rate them and then perhaps ask you questions on it. But if its too much work don’t worry about it.

I’ll try to think of something more specific later.

[ohayo1234]

Bison VS _______

Abel= 3.5:6.5
Adon= 4.5:5.5
Akuma= 4.5:5.5
Boxer= 4:6
Blanka= 6:4
Viper= 5.5:4.5
Cammy= not sure yet
Chun li= 4:6
Cody= 5.5:4.5
Dan= 6:4
Dee Jay= don’t know yet
Dhalsim= 4:6
Dudley= 5:5
Honda= 4:6
Fuerte= 4:6
Fei Long= 4.5:5.5
Gen= 6:4
Gouken= 5:5
Guile= 3:7
Guy= 5.5:4.5
Hakan= 7:3 sure
Ibuki= 5:5
Juri= 5.5:4.5
Ken= 4:6
Dictator= …
Makoto= 6:4
Rose= 5:5? Boring though
Rufus= 4.5:5.5
Ryu= 5:5
Sagat= 5:5
Sakura= 5.5:4.5
Seth= dunno yet but it’s frustrating , I win by a lot or lose by a lot
T. Hawk= 6:4
Claw= 4.5:5.5
Zangief= 6:4

[lynch03]

Why don’t you use u2 vs Ryu/sagat?

[Devils_Reverse]

LOL Kim, didn’t know Yuza Beach1234 was you

[Corrosive]

Bison VS _______

Would you be willing to write the specifics of these match ups rather than use match up numbers? How do you feel about the use of match up numbers in general? Do you feel they’re worth noting for players or is it best to feel a match up out for yourself?

[ohayo1234]

Why don’t you use u2 vs Ryu/sagat?

You don’t need it and it distracts you from how you’re suppose to be playing, but I might admit that it might be better vs sagat. Mainly because ultraing his tigers seem to be easier then vs ryu’s fireball.

It seems ultra 1 does more damage then in vanilla, ever notice that?

[ohayo1234]

Would you be willing to write the specifics of these match ups rather than use match up numbers? How do you feel about the use of match up numbers in general? Do you feel they’re worth noting for players or is it best to feel a match up out for yourself?

I won’t write out the specifics of a particular match up because it’s not fun to do that for every character, but I’m willing to answer questions about match ups if they are specific enough

I’m not a fan of spoon-feeding players information.
You should gain experience on your own then use the knowledge from others ( match up numbers , setups, etc ) in relation to how you want to play. We all can’t play like daigo but it’s possible to have a better Ryu with a different style