yo strider i watched the 5v5 east vs west japanese thing, Nekojita(probably spelled wrong) does this meaty wakeup overhead roundhouse and links it to standing short, but then hits the sweep.
both times he uses it, he follows with the sweep and I guess people just don’t know how to block it? anyways can you comment a bit about this setup, it was the first time I have ever seen a prominent abel player use it
Yeah, that setup is pretty widely used in Japan. I was using it long before I went because there is a very strong reason behind it…walking backwards.
After you connect the st.lk or mp, they are in perfect range for step kick. They will realize this, and most of the time they will walk back to preemptively block the step kick, which will lose cleanly to sweep. You also have options after it if they happen to do something else. Like, you can cancel into lp.CoD if they blocked low, or into roll if they focused. It also sets up future shenanigans like dash up tt or step kick once you have them conditioned. There is no real science behind the setup, it just works.
also sets up a CH with cr. strong if they start pressing buttons after the overhead. should also put you in range for cr. strong xx step kick if you’re fancy.
any advice vs. momochi’s cody?
I’ve never played Momochi, so I wouldn’t know what to say. I did see him vs Rico though, and the shit he was doing. He does LK ruffian after step kick since it’s airborne on it’s first frame, easiest way to beat this would be to step kick -> block and punish. Of course this loses to throw, but you get a huge reward after it (either step kick combo or TT).
vs Cody, you just can’t let him get in. Since he has one hell of a time breaking through Abel’s ground pokes, he will jump in once in a while, so be ready and punish. When he’s all up in your shit, just block, seriously, block. Cody has some of the most damaging counter-hit setups in the game, I would rather eat a 120 dmg throw than a 300+ counterhit. You should also pepper in some EX.TT’s during his block string to keep him honest. His throw range is also horrible, so you shouldn’t be pressing buttons when he’s not literally right in your face.
You also need to respect EX.Zonk, especially when he has meter. Bait it out and punish with step kick or TT. Their are some OS’s out there that deal with it on wake up, and I’m pretty sure they are on Youtube, you should check them out.
Step kick is huge in this match-up, since he can’t crouch st.hp, abuse it. Also, his walk back speed is abysmal, so that helps when getting in step-kick range, since he can’t easily walk out.
Other than that, it all depends on your ground game. This is one of the purest match-ups for Abel, since both characters are pretty much grounded and will depend on their footsies to win. Just don’t panic when he’s on your ass, he’s not doing anything crazy, he doesn’t have a command throw…just really damaging punishes and a shitty walk speed. Treat this match-up like you would Gief, in the sense that you can’t let him get in, except you shouldn’t respect his wake-up once you knock him down. I still think Abel wrecks Cody for free… You just have to know how to approach it. Think about it…Cody is REALLY slow, depends on pokes to get in (you do to) and is extremely free on wake-up… If you have a solid ground game and you don’t let him get away with silly shit, this should be free.
Cody has good throw range and a humongous kara throw just throwing that out there. His bad walk speed is why his throw range seems weak, he can’t walk forward and throw.
His throw range is .92, same as sagats so it isn’t really ‘good’ imo. And what is his humongous kara throw? Haven’t been ‘abel’ (see what I did there? Lol) to find a good one yet
Talking about Cody. It’s .973 on the first active frame and .985 on the 2nd active frame which puts him 6th in throw range. Kara is with st.mk iirc. I don’t play cody I just know I get thrown by him.
Well, by throw range I was referring to the whole package. The fact that you can walk back after a poke and be out of throw range is pretty shitty, he has to compensate by using a low poke (usually cr.lk -> lp.upper), which immediately ends his pressure game if blocked.
The fact is that if he did a couple jabs and you blocked, he’s out of throw range. He has to walk his slow ass over a few pixels to be able to land it, and those few pixels take him a lot longer to cover than other characters. He can throw out early cr.hp to compensate for that (since it’ll hit people teching late waiting for his slow ass to get in their face). He has options to cover his slow walk speed once he’s in there, but all those options lose to Abel’s reversals, so he’s in a mixup that can get him killed when he should be the one with the advantageous position.
You shouldn’t ever let it get to that point anyways, Cody has no safe way of getting in on Abel. Just brush up on your ground game, be on point with step kick, and AA every single jump in. Like I said…Free
i had no problems blocking his stuff, i block for days. only cgy guy better than me at blocking momochi is jozhear. i gotta tighten up my mixup a bit more to deal with somebody who actually uses all of Cody’s defensive options.
momochi’s footsies are so incredibly godlike though good god
he shuts me down stone cold at footsie range. c.lp buffer mk ruffian all day, and once he gets ultra you can barely push buttons because he hit confirms counter hit f+mp into u2 100% of the time
Momochi vs Me
Me: 60% Life lead
He has like 100 HP left
Alright just need one hit. But how am I gonna get it.
Momochi jumps at me. Ah shit. Didn’t anti air him.
Oh he mightr throw me. I’ll tech… SUPER late
like as late as humanly possible
Momochi: Read you like a book son, F+MP Counter hit combo to ultra2
Me: O______________________________________________________O
Good work on team Ryan Hart man. What’s a top tier? haha
I think HAV died…anyone else want to help with the vids? I would make them myself, but I lack the equipment + motivation to do so 
I’ll provide the tech, you just put it in a fancy video format for people to see.
Also, I’m kinda disappointed in the lack of Abel/Makoto players repping in majors. I can understand Makoto, since that bitch is hard as hell to learn, but Abel? Where is the love? v2012 will add a couple Abel players out there, but I’m not sure about how well they’ll rep. C’mon, it can’t be just me and Juice putting in the work, I’m providing the knowledge, you guys just have to apply it. Abel is a really strong character who is going to be even stronger in the next version, he should get the appropriate amount of representation in major tournaments. Currently there are more Guile’s and Dhalsim’s than there are Abel’s…which is fucking sad.
Just looking at the top 12 characters in CC, I could really see Abel fitting in around there. Only match-ups he lost there were Yun, Fei and Akuma… Abel RAPES Sagat for free, he does OK vs Viper, and I don’t feel like he loses vs Rufus… actually, I feel he has a slight advantage in this version.
Abel is still viable for North American tournaments, since almost no one is representing the top tier well and I feel like he does better against his terrible match-ups from Super (Cammy, Akuma, Gief, Rufus). I switched to Mak for AE because I thought the top tiers would get whored out like they are in Japan…but the old guard stayed with their mains, and only a couple top players made the switch.
Also, random thing I just remembered from Japan… I was at Taito during peak hours, so every top player started to show up. I was streaking in one of the cabs vs GrandMaster Ibuki, Sakura, Guile, and Yang. A UltimateMaster Sagat sits down and starts playing me. I beat the shit out of him in a quick 2-round victory. Out of nowhere, Kayo and her friend show up and start watching matches. Now, Kayo doesn’t receive the star-treatment she gets in America, no, quite the opposite actually. Everyone just kinda spread away from them and didn’t make eye contact. Pretty fucked up if you ask me, but fuck it, I’ve seen Japanese people do worse.
Not gonna lie, compared to her friend, Kayo looked extremely convincing. Her friend was obviously a tranny. She was a bit taller than Kayo, and had more masculine features (bigger hands, back), but, not gonna lie, still looked aiiight (if she didn’t open her mouth, since she had awful teeth like 98% of Japanese).
Kayo sits down to play on the same side I’m on and her friend goes to the opposite, so I’m playing right next to Kayo. She plays against a Master Blanka and goes on to DESTROY him…horribly destroy him. The dude stands up to see who beat him (Kayo was playing without a card), spots Kayo, and immediately gets a shameful look on his face, as he’s walking towards the exit, defeated. While this is going on, I get a random challenge. I already have my card in the machine (Abel), so I’m just waiting for the opponent to pick his character. They pick Sagat…SCORE!!! (or at least I think to myself).
The round starts, and I do what I always do vs Sagat…stop giving a shit. I just get to my perfect range and continue to abuse my shit, it works. I take the first round pretty convincingly. 2nd round starts, I go with my same game plan of disregarding any shits I have, but this time the Sagat is actually fighting back! I get in step kick range and start looking for whiffed pokes to counter… I see none. This Sagat is just patiently waiting there, occasionally throwing FB’s. I inch a bit closer and immediately get greeted with a fwd.lk -> cr.lp xx uppercut…(this is a standard in Japan, every scrub Sagat can nail this consistently). I start respecting that option and play a bit more cautiously. He keeps on tagging me with FB’s and perfectly spaced knees, I start getting desperate. I jump a couple times and meet a perfectly timed uppercut, timed so it trades into Ultra, and then proceed to lose the round by eating a neutral jump MK instant OH. Alright, I wasn’t going to lose to a Sagat any time soon, so I step my shit up and actually start trying. We get into a fierce footises battle, I land a couple solid cr.mk xx CoD, while the Sagat makes some smart uppercut reads and knee pressure. It gets down to the wire, I back him up to the corner, he whiffs a st.lk and I punish with a full step kick combo into U1 for the win.
I wipe my forehead in relief, and start wondering who that AMAZING Sagat player was… A couple seconds after the game ends I see Kayo’s friend stand up on the opposite side of the cabs, and she looks fucking pissed. She starts going off in Japanese while heading for a vending machine. She sees that I’m the only Abel player on that side and just gives me the dirtiest look I’ve ever seen in my life. I feel like part of my soul died that day. She came on my side and just started absolutely DESTROYING people. She went on like a 8 game win streak (huge in Taito during peak hrs, BTW). She even beat 6 (Yang player, UltimateMaster) a couple times before losing to Ameriken. Not gonna lie though, she has one of the most solid Sagat’s I’ve seen. She’s not like Kayo, where Kayo is just an above-average Viper player but gets attention for other shit… no, she’s actually REALLY fucking good. I know she would wreck shit up if she came to a NA major.
Just a random flashback I got while working, I’m pretty sure I’ll have a couple of those periodically.
well no one has “asked strider” in while in this thread so i ask now…
What you do vs Yun??? matchup literally feels stupid lololol, It feels Way too dependent on me making all the reads and yun can do whatever he wants rofl.
Do you just use Mak vs yun or do you have some os/tactics vs him…i’ve been using yang against yun cuz it got too tiring to use abel vs yun hahahhahaha
Alright Strider I’m a good solid Abel but I’ve hit an absolute brick wall which has led to countless people telling me to change characters from Abel saying I’m not improving with him due to his nature of using mixtures to win. I disagree because I like Abel and I have not hit the full potential of Abel.
So what did you do to improve from a good Abel to really good? What sort of things do you do in training mode? Etc
Disreguarding shits… like a boss :smokin:
What’s are FBs?
FBs are either Facebook(s), fuck buddies or fire balls.
Just try to implement as much technology as you can in your game, learn how to punish every move (aka learn other characters frame data) and work on your execution…as in try to get every combo down 100%
Besides the obvious, generic shit everyone mentions when improving, work on your ground game… Seriously. Learn how to AA perfectly, how to use your normals, and most importantly, how to walk. My game sky-rocketed from being an OK Abel to one of the best in the country by mastering all of the above.
that was an epic story strider hahaha
good shit mang