did you skip cr.roundhouse on purpose?
No, i’m just retarded and forgot. This is actually really bad on me too, since I whore out sweep in almost every match, not just this one. Thanks for the reminder.
Sweep is really good in this fight, but it also carries a serious element of risk. If you’re successfully forcing gief to stay on the ground and making sure he respects step kick, he’s going to end up spending a lot of time walking back and forth looking for an opportunity. Since he’s probably only going to be concerned with step kick at this point, his general spacing will end up being just outside of its range, which just so happens to be the perfect spot to use sweep.
Pepper in a couple successful sweeps, and you’ve now presented gief with a dilemma: he has to use his mobility to mount any kind of offense, but doing so leaves him open to getting swept. In order to stop sweep, he either has to walk back, which lets you move further away from the corner, or he has to spend some of his time crouching. This might not sound like a big deal, but in a high pressure match like this one, any time he spends crouching is giving me room to catch my breath and plan out my next move, and that’s incredibly helpful.
The risk is, of course, whiffing and getting shit on by a combo, which is made even easier for gief by how far forward sweep moves you. Even if this does happen occasionally though, the rewards you gain from forcing your opponent to think about blocking low is too good to pass up.
I got destroyed by a Blanka the other day and he did some ball mixups that were exactly the same as the one you mentioned with the cross up balls on my wake up. man I couldn’t even get up lol.
I don’t feel as if it’s 6-4 Abel at all
It’s 6-4 Abel for sure…probably even worse for Blanka.
Just because you lose this match-up doesn’t mean Abel does, it just means you have to work on your ground game.
Strider you still think 6-4 to abel or worse? even after the japan visit? I personally feel it’s even and taku apparently think it’s even.
i’m talking blanka here obv.
Yeah, I still think Blanka loses to Abel even after Japan. I didn’t play vs Taku with Abel, just Makoto, and I never saw him play vs another Abel either.
Taku isn’t from Tokyo, he’s from northern Japan (I think), so I don’t think he gets to play vs top Abel’s that often. I’m still curious as to why Taku sees that match-up as even, maybe he has some technology we haven’t seen…Or he’s just solid as shit and straight up outplays the Abel’s in his area.
What can Blanka do about Abel just walking forward? Abel outpokes him straight up…Blanka can’t jump in, and he definitely doesn’t have a good answer to step-kick pressure…He loses for FREE on wakeup, since all of his escapes are punishable ON HIT.
I know for a fact I haven’t lost to a Blanka offline in and out of tournaments. I played just Abel after SBO, and didn’t lose a game to Blanka’s…I was even going on streaks vs Ninshiken… Please enlighten me as to why you think this match-up is even
strider ownin people up in this bitch lol
anyway im uploadin a vid of a 3on3 tournament i attended earlier this month, but the vid is only of the semifinals, featuring a 3 abels team: nekojita, ac revenger, and reiketsu (mostly known as a claw/yang player)
I actually feel like he does outpoke abel and that’s the major reason i find it even.
blanka s.LP is faster then abel s.LK which is one of abel’s best pokes. with both having near the same range. step kick as a poke has issues vs timed slide/s.MP/s.HP/s.HP/c.MP. I think all these normals (except slide) are just as fast or faster and have near the same range. I think the only normal that gave me any issues was fs.MP on abel but c.HK goes under it but yeah. So abel walking forward i don’t think is an easy thing for him. I do agree i lose to free against abel and any simple mistake i make is punished by a bajillion damage while your mistakes i get like 1 hit.
I think it comes down to something like i outpoke you and don’t let you approach me while if you get damage on me i die. I also do think that blanka can jumpin. blankas jump have weird hitboxes and depending on the timing of the jumpin and jumpin used i feel like it beats out things like c.HP c.MK. I do think though that cs.HP beats out everything i got though. But i just have to space mine effectively. I think all my jumpins lose to wheelkick and i guess if timed right ex falling sky.
You may be right taku might just bee seeing this matchup from his own eyes. I’m doing my best to go to SCR i hope we can get a set in. I honestly won’t know for sure until i play all the best. I think this is one of those matchups where i have to get beat up badly before i start seeing other’s perspectives.
Haha, I knew Taku couldn’t be right about the Abel matchup. Either there was a mistake in the translation or he just doesn’t play very good Abels. Or maybe he has seriously good tech that we don’t know about. Blanka is too free under pressure.
Strider. How do you handle after work arcade attending cammy and balrogs? After work…
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re: zangief matchup
if things go badly for you, trying to mixup gief on a knockdown can end the match. but he doesn’t have very good options vs. Abel’s stuff… ever since they nerfed lariat from vanilla->super I find gief is actually worse off than most on his wakeup vs abel
I disagree here… Just because a couple of Blanka’s pokes stuff Abel’s on start-up, doesn’t mean they kill the ground game all together. The thing that makes st.lk so damn good is not only start-up, but it’s reach and recovery. It’s almost impossible to whiff punish the damn thing, you would have to stuff it on start-up, meaning you would have to preemptively stick out pokes in anticipation…meaning I get a free step-kick combo if I hit one of those pokes.
That’s another reason why this matchup is lop-sided… Risk/reward and damage output. You stuffed one of my normals or caught me walking with a sweep?? Good shit, you get some damage and a knockdown. I catch you doing ANYTHING (even block) and I either get a combo (if step kick hit) or mixup (if it was blocked), and Abel can get 200+ damage off each of those options…plus a knockdown…
I’m not saying Blanka can’t do shit in the ground, quite the opposite, like you said he still has solid pokes…but so does Abel, and his lead to a stupid amount of damage + a stupid mixup afterwards…Blanka has to work his ASS off in this range to do as much damage as Abel does off a hit-confirm. If a player has to work a lot harder than the other player because of how the match-up goes…that to me is a bad match-up.
Nah, cr.mk stuffs all of Blanka’s jumps for free…timing is just awkward, but it’s a 100% sure punish once you have the timing down. So no, Blanka can’t jump, and he still can’t do much about st.lk abuse without taking a risk.
Try to go, just hit me up when you see me and say you were that Blanka dude from the forums, we’ll run a couple sets.
This is exactly why I think Blanka loses really badly. His footsie pokes don’t lead to anything other than their raw damage, which isn’t much. Abel gets 2-3x the damage ouput for correct guesses in footsies and can get knockdowns.
Blanka can beat cr.mk, but the problem is he doesn’t really want to jump at those ranges because they leave him vulnerable to cl.fierce, or jumping from farther out is risky for a variety of reasons. Blanka outhitboxes the move quite easily though if he jumps correctly.
j.hk gets blown up by abel for free though.
Hrm strider maybe you know better then i do but i’m pretty sure that blanka’s fs.LP has pretty much the same range as able’s s.LK also it’s hurtbox is far behind so i don’t think you can really hit me with f+MP. I do agree with a lot of the other things you’re saying though. Except with it being a bad matchup lol.
FT7 for 100$ in SCR?? :tup:
As for the fs.lp stuff…I don’t think you are looking at the big picture here… There are multiple characters that have a good st.lp that can potentially stuff st.lk or even have better properties…that doesn’t mean that st.lk is useless in the match. The fact that I’m FORCING you to throw out preemptive pokes to stuff mine is a win in my book, since that just opens you up to bigger and meaner shit…like a landed step kick.
But enough theory fighter, we can setup a MM in SCR if you’d like
yeah for sure I am down. I want to MM a lot of people and if i’m losing 100$ to you then i really won’t have much else to use wouldn’t I? while i think the matchup is even i’m not claiming to be better then you. But yeah I am down. And yeah you’re right enough theory fighter!
Yeah, it doesn’t have to be 100, I usually suggest that since it forces both players to play at their best. We can have a ft5 $40 if you’d like.
Back on topic here…any updates on vids?
Y r u taking peoples lunch monies on there bad mu thats like me mm any sim/guile player cheater ;p
Wow…this thread is pretty dead…
I’m planning on hopping back online sometime in the next couple weeks or so, you guys are free to hit me up for some sets, just don’t blow up my inbox.
I’m on XBL btw
Also, got new tech for Yun 
for yun as in against yun?