Sakura isn’t higher than Ryu and personally I don’t think Sakura is top tier, I think she is just outside top 10.
Her Ex shou is terrible on wakeup, you can do a meaty cr.lk/cr.lp and still have time to block her ex shou. Her backdash is terrible lol.
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Well, Uryo released his tier list last month. Maybe you should check it out.
A lot of other people had agreed with Sakura’s tier list position due to the fact that she’s received nothing but buffs since vanilla. They fixed a lot of her issues in AE 2012.
Her EX Shou is really good (even Uryo uses it heavily). Her backdash can be OS and the spacing on it is a lot better than Ken or Ryu’s.
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She’s top B at most. I agree with Fergus that she’s not as good as Ryu, and I feel like she still has some bad match-ups, like Cammy, Rufus, and Dalshim. You still have to work harder than normal to rush down with her.
That tier list was released before 2012 was even out.
And he listed Sakura as #10. But he placed Ryu at #29 which we all know is not true.
Her ex shouken is good for frame traps and blowing up tech, but as a wakeup option/reversal, it’s not.
You do realize that AE 2012 was released in Japan (in the arcades) before it was in the US, right?
Here is the proof that it was in Japan before it was released in the US. It’s been out awhile in Japan’s arcades actually:
Here is the Tier list
Oh sorry I forgot about 2012 in arcades, I’ll give you that.
But Sakura is definitely not top 10 in 2012. I can think of at least 10 characters that are better than her
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Sakura was in the top-mid tier in AE. She was above Ryu then. She was even above Ibuki and several other people. This was confirmed
by not just Uryo, but among Daigo and serveral others.
Sakura received some HUGE buffs in AE 2012. I doubt she’d just suddenly go down the tier list after that.
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What are these huge buffs you speak of? And tier listings, by their nature, cannot be confirmed or deconfirmed. Just sayin.
“Confirmed” means to adhere to an agreement of something being either true or false. In other words: To simply announce something. Doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a fact. I can confirm that I’m not a liar, but that doesn’t mean I’m not. Get it?
As for her buffs:
Buffs: Increased ex hadoken damage.
Fixed bugs.
Removed negative edge otoshi.
How are those huge?
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Because the bugs are what held her back.
Bugs can be the one thing that determines whether you win or lose in a match. Don’t look down on her improvements.
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yo, tiers are for queers
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Yes, they are.
However, some people tend to think Sakura isn’t as good as she really is. I use tiers in this instances to reassure people that Sakura is very proficient.
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Yes, the ex tatsu FIX (<— which should have been fixed from Vanilla), but this only affects a select few matchups, doesn’t really change the mentioned matchups drastically.
That is the only useful “buff” she got from AE - 2012
BUT, this “fix” also added new problems, like ex tatsu whiffing on Adon now. And otoshi being harder to land on certain characters.
I don’t think Sakura is top tier at all. She suffers from bad matchups. These are the same reasons why characters like Chun aren’t top tier, she gets beaten by Akuma, Rufus, Viper, Yun, (though no where near as bad as AE) who are popular tournament characters. Sakura has amazing damage potential but the execution isn’t easy compared to Seth for example.
While I respect people’s opinions, I can’t understand why Daigo would put Chun Li in the same tier as Dan and Hakan. I just can’t agree with that. The more I think about it, the more I think this is what these players opinions are if the character is being played at it’s highest level. Even then though, Chun is a footsies god. Same tier as Dan and Hakan is laughable.
I think 2012 is balanced to the put where tiers don’t matter. Yes, you can say Dan and Hakan are bottom tier but you can’t really say where everyone else is. For once, I actually don’t think there is a solid top tier. Maybe Seth, but low vitality hurts him. But I digress.
1) Adon’s hurtbox is… weird. Same thing with Gief. You make a point there, but at least she’s not completely whiffing her BnB which would leave her open!
2) Otoshi isn’t harder. You actually need to do the motion [Down, Forward, Diag] to pull off the Otoshi at the end of her BnB. I find it a lot easier, because when I do my c.LK, c.LP, st.LP, c.MK --> DP, it doesn’t turn into a c.LK, c.LP, st.LP, c.MK --> Otoshi (which is HARMFUL).
3) There were additional fixes Capcom did for Sakura that weren’t announced by Capcom. For example: her c.LK, c.LP, c.HP --> EX Tatsu connects most of the time. It never used to in the past (which is why you see TFA Hornett doing c.LK, st.LP, c.HP --> Ex Tatsu)
4) Along with the additional fixes, there were other buffs for her hit box, her stamina and health. They improved her hit box for several normals including her st.HK. Her stamina and health were increased by a little bit.
5) There’s more, but you get the idea.
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The only bad matchup I’ve experienced with Sakura is Seth. However, Seth can be beaten with a Sakura. However, even with that said, that doesn’t make Sakura a bad character.
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What?
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What’s your question?
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The launcher kick whiffs on Adon, it leaves her wide open for a st.lp xx DP or something.
I don’t mean the motion, I mean actually landing the otoshi is a bit more difficult.
Her cr.lk cr.lp cr.hp xx ex tatsu worked always connected 100% on those who it connected on. There was only a select few where it would randomly whiff, Akuma/Blanka/Honda/Yun/Yang/EvilRyu/Oni, but that’s fixed now for those characters.
She didn’t recieve any health buffs. Her health is the same, still 950. There’s nothing definite on hitboxes changing on her normals. And I really doubt they changed anything on her hitboxes.
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But not all the time. Before, it would whiff ALL the time over Oni, Akuma, Blanka and several others.
I don’t have this problem. Can you show a vid?
I agree. Randomly whiff on thise chars you named? More than random, I’d say. Every other time I did it, she’d jump right over their heads unless they were standing.
You may be right on the health. I think I jumped the gun on that one. Hitboxes were slightly altered. Stamina was increased too.
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