You know what why should it matter what controller type some one uses? What if I come to a tournament with a DDR Pad, a Atari 2600 Joystick, a NES Power Glove or a Guitar Hero Controller instead of a stick, pad or a button box/ Hit Box? Why should anyone care what I use? Ignoring limited numbers of button inputs of course. If I mod a NES Power Glove to play on PS3 and Xbox 360 to tournament use, and I win matches, people would get mad because they think i cheated because my controller looks different from theirs?
It is plausible to make one of these work for consoles. I don’t know why it do not exist yet.
Do we ban the controller because people feel the player’s reaction time would be too fast or do we accommodate for the player’s physical handy cap and allow him to play with a controller that fits his style and abilities?
Its operated with the players mouth. Are we going to BAN this too if that poor player shows up?
In Evo’s own guide lines Custom controllers are allowed, any layout, any button mapping, any choice of input device as long as MACRO and TURBO is not used.
Until last year No one even heard of SOCD, or it being an issue. All because of one sore loser got beat because his opponent uses a different and original design for controller interface. It just happen to be the Hitbox, the issue arose, we isolated SOCD as the issue, and it effects very few game at all, and the hit box controller style dose not even hold SOCD as being exclusive, Its easy to replicate this on game pads that have both a d-pad and analog, and sticks can be modified to do the same. So what who cares. Evo do not have the TIME, STAFF or RESOURCES to check every single controller that comes though the door. They ruled that because SOCD is possible with any kind of controller, Hitboxes, Keyboards, and other such controllers are still valid.
One thing I do not get… follow me on this and read the whole thing before commenting.
You go to a tournament to show what your made of, you think you have a chance of ranking high or winning the championship or you wouldn’t bother going.
You think your hot, your shit do not stink and you are the best.
Then in why in god’s name you think the most original Arcade Controller design since 1996 is going to threaten you. If you really are that fricking good, you want the opponent to take every advantage he or she can get so they have a chance and you might have a challenge, hell you openly invite them to even cheat if the want to even the odds. Why do you feel threatened?
A Real Champion isn’t afraid of some one being stronger or faster or think better on there feet. A Real Champion isn’t afraid of someone cheating, that they are only concern is how they conduct them selves.
Not calling the Hit Box a cheat (so if you misquote me you can go and @$%&* your self) Just saying, if you think your good enough to attend a tournament why do you feel threatened over the person who’s unique? Talk to last Evo’s winners do they care what controller there opponent uses? Do they care if someone uses a HIT BOX? The Answer is they DO NOT. I am sure all the past winners, 2nd, 3rd places and so on of Evo doesn’t give a rat’s ass what controller you use or what configuration you have, HELL NO. All they care about is there own controller and what is going on the screen.
A real Man/Woman who is a competitor/gamer should have the sportsmanship where they will not be threaten by some else’s [perfectly legitimate] controller.
[/thread]
Okay, I’ve skimmed a few more of the posts in this thread and it seems the two primary arguments are:
People are arguing stickless design allows for greater precision, and as such is unfair.
This argument is self-defeating:
[LIST]
[]If you play on stick, ask yourself why. I’ll bet money it’s because you either believe it’s “more precise” than pad, or because you used to believe that, but now have gotten used to playing on stick and wouldn’t want to put in the time to switch.
[]If you play on pad, you clearly don’t really give a shit about whatever someone else plays on and realize it’s all personal preference.
[/LIST]
FUCKING TOTAL WILLFUL IGNORANCE ABOUT SOCD’s
I didn’t put in all that work in the old thread and the PSA for it to be ignored, assholes.
I’m pretty sure i could destroy most anybody at any fps with my keyboard and mouse vs. their gampad. Just because it does all the same things and doesn’t break the games codes, doesnt mean its the best thing for the game. That being said, i don’t personally see the hitbox as an advantage(at least for the fighting games i play) i just wanted to point out how some of these arguments arent very convincing.
Also you could argue that the game was developed in the idea that it was meant to be played with directional inputs from a stick or d-pad since thats what the community has overwhelmingly used. But you would have to talk to the devs for an answer on that.
If i showed up to the olympics with rocket shoes and no one had seen rocket shoes before but it wasnt officially banned because no one knew what the hell rocket shoes were, Would it be wrong for people to at least question me or feel salty about blasting off the start line?
Thank you. This discussion such as it is was already beaten to death, brought back up, beaten to death again, etc. To really reinforce point #1 there is nothing (except maybe for some supply-side issues) keeping anybody from using a Hitbox or hitbox style controller if they feel that it really is that much of a superior input method. Nothing. With point #2 there are entire threads devoted to this as it certainly isn’t a problem that is unique to a single controller/stick design.
And noone is arguing anything just stating an opinion, which apparently both of you are severely butthurt about with your trollish attitudes. Again, both of you taking what I said completely out of context just so you can apparently vent your misguided anger about someone saying something negative about your precious hitbox. Grow the fuck up.
The stick itself isn’t the innovation it’s the parts. Cherry switches , sanwa , siemitsu, otcogate 4 way gate, perfect cirlce gate That are the innovations, you cant take a stick from a pacman cabinet and do well right?
The hit was not designed with any particular game in mind. When it was born it was simple. Can you achieve all 8 way directions with 4 buttons? Yes.
Most and all of the “unfair” shit people are talking about are caused by the game mechanics not the controller
Go for it! Like I said, its an arbitrary decision at the end of the day. Take my opinion with a grain of salt since I’m mostly an arcade player. I don’t even like people using 3x P/K bindings so I’m pretty out there on control issues.
In my opinion using a hitbox in a fighting game is like using a keyboard during a DDR tournament.
I respect the people that are handicapped and use other types of controllers, but thats just because they cant play fighting games in any other way.
I’ve got no problems with sticks, pads, keyboards but imo the hitbox is just too good, it’s like a keyboard made 10 times better, and thats why I got no probs with a kb but with a hitbox I do.
I, completely, agree with Aris’ point. The hitbox seems like it’s too good for standardized tournament play (doesn’t change the fact that I still want one ). The part that hits home to me is when he talks about being able to do things, he hasn’t practiced, far easier on the hitbox after 15 minutes. If it’s allowed to become dominant, everyone might be forced to use it. You cannot argue that it’s inherent advantage is just too great.
Excellent idea to bring keyboard like inputs to console. It’s just a little too gdlk IMHO.
If he can do motions which he has rarely practiced after only a short time of Hitbox practice then it doesn’t simply mean “Hitbox is better, ban this shit”.
It means “Hitbox allowed ME to do something faster and with less effort”.
It’s an improvement and he’s just scared of discarding his biased belief that “stick is the be-all, end-all”.
It also doesn’t mean it will work for every player. I gave up Hitbox after 2 weeks because I noticed no difference in execution (and found 2P side HARDER).
That’s not the point; no one is “against” it because it’s good. It’s just that the difference between hitbox and pad/stick is too great IMO. The choice between pad and stick is a matter of personal preference. I think the choice between hitbox and pad/stick MAY eventually boil down to necessity. But whatever, this is all theory anyway lol.
Maybe your execution is superb and there’s nothing further to gain from a hitbox.
I have one final complaint, unless this thread goes into something that has to do with actual technology or gaming hardware or software the thread needs to be on lock down or moved elsewhere as it completely off topic for Tech Talk. We already have several threads dedicated to the various hardware, design and coding of hitbox and hit box like controllers. This thread as to go.
All I see here is arguments for aesthetics, pseudo-legal crap and philosophy. If my Shmup appreciation threat had to be removed because it was not tech talk enough why are we allowing this fucking filth of a thread to stain the front page. At least people like and talked fondly of the shmup page. This is just pure hypocrisy and bigotry.
). The part that hits home to me is when he talks about being able to do things, he hasn’t practiced, far easier on the hitbox after 15 minutes. If it’s allowed to become dominant, everyone might be forced to use it. You cannot argue that it’s inherent advantage is just too great.