Anyone else not buying into the SFV hype?

Street Fighter V
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What makes you think that I’d go to a tournament for SF4? I tolerated it when I didn’t (or didn’t think) that I had a choice. Now with a new SF, Guilty Gear, KOF and probably other fighters coming out I can happily leave SF4 in the dust. Well maybe I’ll play it once in a while. Gotta show my boy Sagat some love. Also last time I checked we were on the SF 5 board, y’know a game that I actually like. Don’t know what’s “strange” posting here.

Hate to break it to you chief but SF 4,5,3,2, Candy Crush, Call of Duty, Trine, Metal Gear, etc. etc. etc. etc. are just video games. Some take more skill than others but they’re all still just video games. You and others like SF4? Cool I didn’t say you couldn’t. I didn’t insult anyone who did like it as you’re trying to imply with that “merely hitting buttons” blurb you pulled out of thin air. I just stated that I’m not very fond of it. You’re the one who doubted my character by implying that I was arrogant. Now you’re calling me stupid. I could have sworn I was talking to adults here. What hell have I wandered into?

You wouldn’t talk about Tekken 'cause you don’t play it? Me neither. Know what I did play a lot of though? Street Fighter 4, and I think it’s…eh. Now I may not know the ins-and-outs of cooking but I know a crappy steak when I taste one and if I want to complain about it I give -33 fucks if anyone has a problem with it.

You want to continue this conversation cool. Leave the personal shit out.

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Are niggas in here really defending 1 frame links?

Jesus

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some people, such as myself really like to practice execution. It’s like lifting weights (which I also like) you can turn your brain off for a bit and get in a little bit of one on one time with your main without the pressures of society or an opponent (besides yourself) getting in the way. It’s kinda like solitaire in that respect. Except that you level yourself up, you get closer to beating other players when next you play because you’ve developed better combos or better punishes or better this or that.

Me personally, I don’t like practicing certain one frame links… So I don’t practice them. But I REALLY LIKE practicing 2 frame links. This means I like practicing basically all plinkable one frame links, and every other kind of link except for true one framers/back button links.

I don’t expect everyone to love these aspects of a game, but that doesn’t mean that higher execution doesn’t have a place in fighting games. Sometimes you want a game to be more about execution than simple raw pattern recognition or reactions, or strategies.

If it feels like work for you then don’t do it. But don’t complain that it’s required to win.

You just picked the wrong game. Smash is maybe better for your wants, or naruto or something. I’m not saying that as a diss either. Both games can be played competitively iirc and both have some very low execution barriers to get good.

But I’ll continue to play the games that demand a bit more execution as that type of gameplay attracts me more than just straight strategy.

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Or for fucks sake…

You just insulted me worse than splurg. Really man? Really?

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Ok you said in mocking jest and I paraphrase
SF4 = “Fight against the System and Opponent” implying that the game mechanics and the game in general is too complicated, requires too much work etc.
I said, if you have that opinion it means you stink at the game, didn’t play it enough and probably just suck in general and therefore any critical opinion you might have about SF4 is moot and worthless… and to make it clear, what was weird is someone not playing the game(Loving and Grinding it) yet going to the trouble of criticizing it on forum discussion boards, but on second thought, maybe it’s not so weird.

You make it clear you don’t care to look like a fool so carry on then.

Sounds like you’re in agreement with the generational prejudice that takes “video games” to be mere juvinile time wasting yet entertaining distractions.
It’s attitudes like these that game developers like 2K with BioShock made a point to challenge and debunk, never mind StarCraft, Mobas or other fiercely complicated and competitive games that debunk it too imo.

I must admit I’m very surprised to find this point of view on a video game sight, especially a fighting game forum that’s orientated around a competitive “game”.

But i suppose when you’re dealing with … internet people, anything is possible no matter the circumstances.

facepalm

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Ah I see what the problem is. You make a lot of assumptions. No I didn’t try to get 1-frame links down after an eternity of trying. You know what I did though? I got by with 2-hit combos and footsies. I won a few battles, I lost a lot but damn it I sucked it up and kept going.

“Sounds like you’re in agreement with the generational prejudice that takes “video games” to be mere juvinile time wasting yet entertaining distractions.”

You know if I had that opinion I’d be insulting myself because I like to play video games right? Right?

“You make it clear you don’t care to look like a fool so carry on then.”

I don’t even know what you’re trying to say. Do you even English bro?

“But i suppose when you’re dealing with … internet people…”

You do realize where you are don’t you?

quote by me"You’re the one who doubted my character by implying that I was arrogant.
You wouldn’t talk about Tekken 'cause you don’t play it? Me neither. Know what I did play a lot of though? Street Fighter 4, and I think it’s…eh. "quote by me

I don’t know how that proves I’m arrogant but…

splurg facepalms

right back at you buddy

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I played the shit outa Soul Calibur 2 and some of my favorite mains had 1 frame link combos. As a kid I always wondered why I couldn’t get the moves to come out. Until I figured out that I had to plink the commands. And you know what? I did it! I actually managed to do them and even use them fighting the CPU.

And you know what?

I still think 1 frame links are fucking garbage. Burn in hell you 1 frame supporters burn!!!

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Honest question: would you play a fighting game with 1 frame links and absolutely no way to make them easier (no plink or other stuff)?

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Ok so.

Story mode is out now, ibuki is out now and we even got a free balrog at the same damn time for all our troubles.

How I feel about the game so far?

I’m sorry that story mode is a piece of fucking trash.

[details=Spoiler]Half the time I didn’t even understand why certain shit was happening if even for what. It was pieced together so goddamn poorly and it was like every trope you ever expected out of the generic setting that has always been said on - “Nobody really plays street fighter for the story, because it’s all over the place.” and you’d think with the GRAFFIX and the DISDAYNAGE things would be different, but goddamnit - no its not.

Like I was more happy just seeing character cameos when they finally hit the screen than anything really going on. on some “OH SNAP ITS URINE.” or “HEY IBUKI IS FINALLY ON THE SCENE!” and i mean seriously - why give charlie a fucking picture of guile to get his little chess piece if half the time the fucking pieces are flying around all over the place and then you guys just work together all at the end and start collecting them all anyways?

Then - why do they sneak in, then leave, then come back? why the fuck was the shadaloo base never refortified so these invasions don’t easily happen again? Why the fuck is everyone from bison and FANG to balrog to Vega just EASILY COMING AND GOING all the damn time if they’re supposed to be making their minions do all the real work?

like jesus christ, what the fuck was really going on? Why even bother making nacalli if he never fucking even eats anyone or bring charlie back just so guile can say “go ahead and face him” only to watch charlie drastically blow up and not even give guile a goddamn epilogue of closure and instead show OUR G8 HERO ROO go up right after (lol) and just HADO’S the dude to a slow ether explosion?

Didn’t FANG fall into a fire pit?

How does he survive? What happened to the girl that fell with him? How does she die but he doesn’t? did he use his super to fly away from the heat fans?

Why the fuck was Bison nonchalont over EVERYTHING? Why were bison and co. even ROBBING A BANK IN NEW YORK THEMSELVES? did they ever even say what the fuck was there?

Why the hell did bison just let shit run wild in his base. like rashid was literally **right upstairs hacking the machine with the corniest password ever and you mean to tell me your lazy ass hovering in place couldn’t hover your ass up there and just psycho smack him into where he just sent FANG? How the hell do you go walking around speaking as if everything should naturally go as planned whole plot through but you’re just naturally letting every dumb thing fall apart?

I feel like he was just old and was like what the fuck ever happens just happens started laughing at the end when he imploded cuz he was like “idclol.” or he was laughing cause he was finally free from this crapcom fuckshit for no future games and didn’t have suffer any more in a world where everyone fucking fights at his base and no one actually shoots STREET FIGHTERS with no weapons intruding on their fucking territory. Kind of ironic the only character ever to get killed by being shot was nash and somehow he still got to come back to life for like five seconds. lol.

I waited months for story mode to watch this trash and overly muscled character running around in cutscenes awkwardly? Did you guys watch ryu running from that explosion? god he looked like he would bend any spoon or break any cup he tried to pick up in a real world situation. His fucking wrists are as big as his arms. Somethings wrong with the chicken in that street fighter world I tell ya.[/details]

Moving aside from the story mode tho, did they ever do anything real about rage quitters yet? cause i’m still getting them.

Did they ever work on that network code anymore? cause I’m still getting lag switchers.

I was kinda eh at ibuki at first, but the longer I took to dedicate to her, the more I realize theres soooooo many different was to play her. And she has so many options. she’s different as hell from old ibuki and I will say it takes a hard lesson learned coming from ryu realizing your parry is gonna be some hand raida ray that will get you blown up every time you think you’re parrying a jump in - but I learned.

New stages are ok, but I could care less for new stage variations unless they bring new music with them.

So far this game is trying to run hard on nostalgia goggles here and there and I thought it was cute seeing rival school characters on the beach stage - but I can without a doubt say i’ll keep playing for ibuki but the game still needs to do actual better than to try to quell us with more bells and whistles and nostalgia goggles like urine n booki n magical eye spider girl.

capcom needs to dedicate actual support to real character concerns as well as their dedication to bringing out new content. and they need to actually bring out decent content and not just fan servicey shit that the community is telling them to do - but it’s capcom and I don’t expect them too since most their games go downhill due to them running their shit into the ground from fan service.

so meh.

those my current feelings.

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So did I, what combos are you talking about? I never saw the frame data cause we played in the arcade. I mean I did see the frame data but nothing as nuanced as what the timings were.

I remember Ivys whip combo being stupid dumb… But was it actually 5 1framers in a row?

Can’t think of anything else put in the game on purpose that had that hard of timing.

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Would I? Yes. That stuff separates the men from the boys and gives you extra cool points when you can beat the guys with the 1 framers down, without using them yourself. And it also gives you something to strive for in your off time. Away from competition.

I’m not advocating for 1 frame links, but I do see that they can have a place in a game. Personally I’d love if one frame links made it into games, but on more things that have nothing to do with gameplay… Like throw a perfect fireball and get a red one, don’t and still get a fireball, but the regular blue one instead… A way to be flashy inside the game but without affecting balance.

But you know what? People would get pissed about that to. Mad that they can’t get the pertty affects and the other guy can.

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Do you mean like the ewgf in tekken or just frame tenko for karin?

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A lot of people would complain if it was like ewgf. Karin you can just mash or piano: EWGF is nearly impossible to do consistently on joypad. I’m a huge fan of Tekken and personally, I wouldn’t mind that extra bit of execution; but with the vision for SFV…

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The irony of this post being, of course, that a lot of top tekken players in the US play on pad. hell I’ve had people tell me that EWGF is easier on pad because it automatically goes to neutral.

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Are niggas in here really complaining about 1 frame links?

Jesus.

Honestly, this is a bit of a loaded topic. It obviously depends on how fun the game is overall. In SF4, you could win without 1-frame links. A lot of Ryu players did solar plexus straight to DP instead of opting for the crouch fierce 1-frame link. That’s what I did online and I got to 3600 pp playing a character that was pretty straightforward and basic. I have AT&T. Sometimes, I couldn’t even mash DP to punish -4 moves. That’s how bad my internet was. But you could dumb it down and still win. It’s something SF5 lacks. You should be able to do high-execution things if that’s what you want to do. If you didn’t want to, then don’t. A lot of people were still not optimizing combos in Ultra, but they were still winning with easier combos/less damage options. Like PervyJin mentioned earlier, most Urien players didn’t do the optimized stuff. His optimized options were high-execution (harder than most things in SF4) and people had a choice whether or not to implement them in their play.

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SFIV demanded a considerable amount of work to get good, it’s just surprising to me to hear the amount of grievance over it.

Anybody here ever hang out in a garage, drink beer and play darts or pool all night?
I mean, there’s something soothing and tranquil in shutting everything out and focusing on one activity over and over isn’t there?
Training mode was for me, something I could do at the end of my day to unwind.
Accuracy and success be damned, I just loved being in that training stage and doing whatever…

Maybe I’m just lucky I guess
Since i loved the game and Training mode as much as I did, i got to a point where nothing felt too difficult and I could really play the game at my very best.

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SF4 was a tedious game full of option selects you needed to be successful. On top of that it had a hilarious amount of 1 frame links for random regular shit.

If you’re surprised that people hated it with a burning passion, its probably because you spent more time with training mode than actual people in the community.

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I played SF4 since it’s release and i’ve never bothered with 1 frame links. I played characters who didn’t rely on 1 frame links like Ken, Seth, Sagat and a few others. People need to stop crying about 1f links since it’s only a minority of characters who rely on them, otherwise it’s just a tool to maximize damage. Proof that it doesn’t mean shit I would get beat by players who never practiced combos in their entire life, but they had the basics down which is the most important.

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To be honest, I found ewgf on stick way harder than on pad. Especially after mapping a shoulder button to 2.
d/f+2 with only left thumb on d-pad and point finger for l1 did the trick for me back in the days. Now on hitbox it’s a walk in the park anyway. (｡•̀ᴗ-)و ̑̑✧
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The only OSes most characters had were lights+some form of sweep or roundhouse. A lot of people like to pretend a lot of characters played like Akuma, Cammy, and Ibuki when that is completely untrue.

Luffy only played for three hours a week and he won EVO. Nuckledu told me he wasn’t even practicing a lot in the last tournaments of Ultra, including Capcup. Do you think Luffy and Du spent more time in training mode than with actual people in the community? Because they really didn’t. And they were two of the most successful players in SF4 and remain to be top players in SF5.

Also, a lot of WNF players came to SD last Saturday and were stoked to play in the USF4 tournament we had. Most of those same players I see all the time at WNF, SCR, WCW, etc. So a lot of what you’re saying is probably just incorrect, really.