Anyone else not buying into the SFV hype?

[AudricVsFood]

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the game looks like it has potential, but honestly, I just dont like any of the characters… I’m just playing casually till they add my fav characters (if they ever do that is…).

I think tonight might be the last time I play this game for the next year. I tried to join the FGC with this game, but it’s garbage. The people are constantly mean, the game is unfinished and bad, and there are no outlets for me to get better or other ways to play to let off some steam without just closing the game.

If this is what fighting games are like no wonder they’re so unpopular.

Just play offline with friends. People online are just a bunch of faggot e-thugs. Like 90% of them, and I’m not even trying to exaggerate. And if you’re serious about joining the FGC, just make it out to a major with some friends. You don’t even have to play. Everyone’s much nicer in person. Even the top players with the douchey outward personas, like F Champ and Chris G.

Or if you can find a good weekly to make it out to, that’s even better. Because then you’d be able to make it more frequently. The regularity will make it so that you can make some cool friends who might actually know a few things about the game.

I’m lucky because San Diego has a strong scene, in Street Fighter, and in fighting games in general, really. We get two weekly tournaments, a bi-weekly up North a bit in Temecula, and then there are a bunch of DL meetups.

[AudricVsFood]

Btw, idk why my previous post was formatted so that my response was in the quote box.

[vital]

This game is simple. I liked 4 bc I could play footsies and outlame the other player. Same thing with Third Strike. In this game, you have to play rushdown, you get way too much mileage off of oki to not play that way.

And one thing I’ve noticed about this game is that it’s a lot more centered around oki and a lot less centered around footsies than people pretend it is. Just bc you’re spending less time on the ground doesn’t mean there’s more footsies being played.

I do enjoy this game, though. I don’t think it’s as good as 4, and 4 isn’t “overloaded” with mechanics as someone said earlier. There’s nothing wrong with having defensive options. 5 has much better balance, but with the small roster, I can’t see how that would be difficult for a design team. I like that every character is exaggerated in how different they are from each other. I mean, shoto clones are fun to play in 4, but I like the current character diversity in 5. As much as I dislike not having defensive options in 5, I can’t really imagine any character being able to abuse this game’s mechanics the way Rose could abuse focus and backdash invincibility in 4, so that’s good.

At the end of the day, the name of the game will always be “Adapt or Die”. Adapt to the game, or don’t. Keep playing 4 if you want. I will. Keep playing 3S if you want. I will. SF5 is a simple game to me, but I’m not the best in my scene. So I’ll keep playing 5, too.

Also, I have no idea why people are complaining about backroll. Just walk the opponent into the corner if they keep backrolling. It’s not that hard. They can only backroll and avoid the guessing on wakeup so many times before they hit the corner. And then the matchup becomes 7-3 in your favor. It won’t make the game a “snorefest”. Just don’t play like an idiot.

my thoughts exactly on all points

[Starslicer]

Hate it.

Loathe it, in fact.

The current version, in my opinion, is trash and I want heavy revisions all the way around. I may be heavily biased on this, but seeing as I main ryu (At least until Ibuki is “ON THE SCENE!”), I realized that this game really gave him the pits. Other characters also don’t have many great options and push them to either have to get in close and take hits to win or just zone.

The ridiculous part is - is that the ones who need to get in close are the very ones with poor normals and the one who can zone have all the options and can also literally ex spam their moves with split second choices leaving a majority of them safe.

And I know, a lot of people will say, “Well maybe you just don’t play Ryu good.” or “Well have you been using his parry function/v-meter properly?” and the truth is = 8 out of 10 Ryu matches i’ve faced have been in my favor and I can say his parry function is really a love it or hate it situation. It can open doors, but it does not stop character’s quick recovery in some instances. You literally have to throw out your combo right after the parry to make it work. The fact that I get teched from a grab right after parrying is laughable as that would never happen in, say, third strike. Maybe it’s online play or what, but even following up with combos have ben blocked after the parry function and it kind of make the whole option of using it other than fear tactics more risk than reward.

Thing I hate about this game is I expected a cut above from IV. I expected a lot more “in your face” gameplay and not people zoning like in IV. And at the very least if it were there, there’d be better options to punish zoners. And that just isn’t the real case here when you have some characters who have limited options and while you can get great at them, you can still have that instance where even scrubs can body you because nothing you can do works as long as they block/tech and have higher priority over everything you do (which is vastly unsafe compared to everything they do.)

I kinda just expected if the game, as is, was to come out like this, it’d give better equal standards for all the characters, but instead it just seems like the whole gameplay revolves around how good the character is, instead of player skill. And don’t get me wrong - Almost every SF game has that standard of “how good the character is” to it with tiers, but 3s really did even the odds in player skill that IV and V just still aren’t getting the grapple on yet.

None the less, while I really hate it, I’m still enjoying it since it’s street fighter and it’s still version 1. So I hope it really gets better in time and these next couple of updates address some of these balance issues as well as give us more updates swifter than giving one character per month for a game we already paid 60 dollars for.

And furthermore, if the rumors are true, getting 100k fight money to buy a character (as opposed to buying DLC.) is again - ridiculous for a game we already paid 60 dollars for. Do stuff like that for character costumes or something instead of that survival mode crap (You could use the end prize for that for something better.), but not things like this.

I don’t expect a lot of folks to agree with my view or the whole rant, but there’s my two cents.

who’s the character with higher priority on everything he does?

Bison, Chun, Nash, Cammy, Nacalli.

Better priority with safe blockstuns (Nash being the least safe.) and are the most risky to capitalize on punishment without meeting fierce ex spam or a normal into wombo combos.

Given this is from Ryu’s standpoint. Ryu rules the air with Bison and has effective tools to get around them all, but when you look at the risk for the gambles you take to win, it’s literally a uphill battle for Ryu whereas it’s a few blocks away for them.

It’s a raw end of the deal.

Another thing that’s getting annoying is when the server doesn’t access points but when i lose, it does the shit and then later my shit is gone. Yet I never get the points from those wins.

I’m really strongly becoming over this game.

So, with “better priority” you mean longer frame trap strings (which is not really true with nash).
I think you are trying too hard to play your version of street fighter, while not giving street fighter v a chance.
If you read the frame data you’ll notice that everyone has frame traps and ways to stay in the opponent’s face. From the frame data you’ll also see that all special moves that can be “spammed” are actually minus on block.
You should try to play one of those five characters you mentioned and you’ll see that you can’t win that much if you just roll your face over buttons.

Show me a video of you playing ryu facing each of the characters i mentioned and lets see the punishes you can do to half their block strings. You say “yes, everyone can be punished.” go figure and ofcourse spamming can be punished. However, I clearly said its more risk than reward for ryu. So playing with other characters means the purpose is defeated. However, you can say if you play those OTHER characters against other characters mentioned then you’ll have something going here.

Either way, this still doesn’t take away the fact that “everyone has frame traps” =/= “Some have less than others.” or “Some are clearly safer than others.”

So again, you typed this out for nothing.

If you can’t punish people don’t blame the game. The cast is, for once, very well balanced, and everyone has tools to deal with every other character.
More risk than reward for ryu, you say? You play a character that knocks off 25/30% of their life bar with 3 hits…

I don’t understand what do you mean with “some frame traps are safer than others”. A frame trap is safe by definition, and the pushback of this game is so high that everyone is back at normal after 2/3 blocked attacks.

SOOOOOO this answered nothing I said, with no data or proof in video added, but say “if you can’t do such and such. don’t blame the game.”

Thing is, i said i know how to play the game, see what works and what doesn’t. You’re saying shit like you don’t see ryu’s matchups for yourself and then turn around and tell someone to “GET GOOD” but the proof is already in the pudding with how bad his matchups are to how he’s just about even with the rest, which most aren’t strongly in his favor.

You talk about “OH HE KNOCKS OFF SO MUCH WITH ETC. HITS.” Yeah no shit, so what? he doesn’t have many options as opposed to other players so obviously he clearly should. Thing is he can hardly get those limited options he has compared to others.

And honestly I’m not explaining another thing to you since you haven’t explained or showed a thing yourself, which means talking to you is backtrolling and a waste of time.

[YagamiFire]

I think tonight might be the last time I play this game for the next year. I tried to join the FGC with this game, but it’s garbage. The people are constantly mean, the game is unfinished and bad, and there are no outlets for me to get better or other ways to play to let off some steam without just closing the game.

If this is what fighting games are like no wonder they’re so unpopular.

Would hate to lose someone over this shit. What platform you on? I’ll try and help you if I can. I’m only mediocre but can probably help with basics maybe? Like I said, I’m no pro but I’d feel bad if I didn’t at least try.

Same. The game is multiplatform, so if you wanna play, add me in favorites. ID is same as SN here @ shuma.

Yeah I’ll wager we could set-up a google chat or something if people aren’t on PS4, right? I mean…those things exist.

People can feel free to friend me as well. My PSNID is the same as my name on here.

[sdstig]

This game is simple. I liked 4 bc I could play footsies and outlame the other player. Same thing with Third Strike. In this game, you have to play rushdown, you get way too much mileage off of oki to not play that way.

And one thing I’ve noticed about this game is that it’s a lot more centered around oki and a lot less centered around footsies than people pretend it is. Just bc you’re spending less time on the ground doesn’t mean there’s more footsies being played.

I do enjoy this game, though. I don’t think it’s as good as 4, and 4 isn’t “overloaded” with mechanics as someone said earlier. There’s nothing wrong with having defensive options. 5 has much better balance, but with the small roster, I can’t see how that would be difficult for a design team. I like that every character is exaggerated in how different they are from each other. I mean, shoto clones are fun to play in 4, but I like the current character diversity in 5. As much as I dislike not having defensive options in 5, I can’t really imagine any character being able to abuse this game’s mechanics the way Rose could abuse focus and backdash invincibility in 4, so that’s good.

At the end of the day, the name of the game will always be “Adapt or Die”. Adapt to the game, or don’t. Keep playing 4 if you want. I will. Keep playing 3S if you want. I will. SF5 is a simple game to me, but I’m not the best in my scene. So I’ll keep playing 5, too.

Also, I have no idea why people are complaining about backroll. Just walk the opponent into the corner if they keep backrolling. It’s not that hard. They can only backroll and avoid the guessing on wakeup so many times before they hit the corner. And then the matchup becomes 7-3 in your favor. It won’t make the game a “snorefest”. Just don’t play like an idiot.

I think I’ve finally found the reason I don’t like this game so far. You explain what I personally haven’t liked perfectly. Don’t get me wrong, there are things I like about this game and I’m still going to play it, I just haven’t enjoyed it so far. But I’ve got to improve somehow. Gotta move on or get left behind.

BTW, we’re both from SD (as my name indicates). I’ve seen you in the SD Fight Scene FB page sometimes. Hope we can both level up and can become some of the best in our area. Good luck to you! Gotta stop giving my money to PNoy (or Pogi as he’s gone by recently?) every week…or at least the weeks I do go.

[Ki_Shima]

when people suck at this game it feels shit. stop sucking

[Los]

Hate it.

Loathe it, in fact.

The current version, in my opinion, is trash and I want heavy revisions all the way around. I may be heavily biased on this, but seeing as I main ryu (At least until Ibuki is “ON THE SCENE!”), I realized that this game really gave him the pits. Other characters also don’t have many great options and push them to either have to get in close and take hits to win or just zone.

The ridiculous part is - is that the ones who need to get in close are the very ones with poor normals and the one who can zone have all the options and can also literally ex spam their moves with split second choices leaving a majority of them safe.

And I know, a lot of people will say, “Well maybe you just don’t play Ryu good.” or “Well have you been using his parry function/v-meter properly?” and the truth is = 8 out of 10 Ryu matches i’ve faced have been in my favor and I can say his parry function is really a love it or hate it situation. It can open doors, but it does not stop character’s quick recovery in some instances. You literally have to throw out your combo right after the parry to make it work. The fact that I get teched from a grab right after parrying is laughable as that would never happen in, say, third strike. Maybe it’s online play or what, but even following up with combos have ben blocked after the parry function and it kind of make the whole option of using it other than fear tactics more risk than reward.

Thing I hate about this game is I expected a cut above from IV. I expected a lot more “in your face” gameplay and not people zoning like in IV. And at the very least if it were there, there’d be better options to punish zoners. And that just isn’t the real case here when you have some characters who have limited options and while you can get great at them, you can still have that instance where even scrubs can body you because nothing you can do works as long as they block/tech and have higher priority over everything you do (which is vastly unsafe compared to everything they do.)

I kinda just expected if the game, as is, was to come out like this, it’d give better equal standards for all the characters, but instead it just seems like the whole gameplay revolves around how good the character is, instead of player skill. And don’t get me wrong - Almost every SF game has that standard of “how good the character is” to it with tiers, but 3s really did even the odds in player skill that IV and V just still aren’t getting the grapple on yet.

None the less, while I really hate it, I’m still enjoying it since it’s street fighter and it’s still version 1. So I hope it really gets better in time and these next couple of updates address some of these balance issues as well as give us more updates swifter than giving one character per month for a game we already paid 60 dollars for.

And furthermore, if the rumors are true, getting 100k fight money to buy a character (as opposed to buying DLC.) is again - ridiculous for a game we already paid 60 dollars for. Do stuff like that for character costumes or something instead of that survival mode crap (You could use the end prize for that for something better.), but not things like this.

I don’t expect a lot of folks to agree with my view or the whole rant, but there’s my two cents.

who’s the character with higher priority on everything he does?

Bison, Chun, Nash, Cammy, Nacalli.

Better priority with safe blockstuns (Nash being the least safe.) and are the most risky to capitalize on punishment without meeting fierce ex spam or a normal into wombo combos.

Given this is from Ryu’s standpoint. Ryu rules the air with Bison and has effective tools to get around them all, but when you look at the risk for the gambles you take to win, it’s literally a uphill battle for Ryu whereas it’s a few blocks away for them.

It’s a raw end of the deal.

Another thing that’s getting annoying is when the server doesn’t access points but when i lose, it does the shit and then later my shit is gone. Yet I never get the points from those wins.

I’m really strongly becoming over this game.

So, with “better priority” you mean longer frame trap strings (which is not really true with nash).
I think you are trying too hard to play your version of street fighter, while not giving street fighter v a chance.
If you read the frame data you’ll notice that everyone has frame traps and ways to stay in the opponent’s face. From the frame data you’ll also see that all special moves that can be “spammed” are actually minus on block.
You should try to play one of those five characters you mentioned and you’ll see that you can’t win that much if you just roll your face over buttons.

Show me a video of you playing ryu facing each of the characters i mentioned and lets see the punishes you can do to half their block strings. You say “yes, everyone can be punished.” go figure and ofcourse spamming can be punished. However, I clearly said its more risk than reward for ryu. So playing with other characters means the purpose is defeated. However, you can say if you play those OTHER characters against other characters mentioned then you’ll have something going here.

Either way, this still doesn’t take away the fact that “everyone has frame traps” =/= “Some have less than others.” or “Some are clearly safer than others.”

So again, you typed this out for nothing.

If you can’t punish people don’t blame the game. The cast is, for once, very well balanced, and everyone has tools to deal with every other character.
More risk than reward for ryu, you say? You play a character that knocks off 25/30% of their life bar with 3 hits…

I don’t understand what do you mean with “some frame traps are safer than others”. A frame trap is safe by definition, and the pushback of this game is so high that everyone is back at normal after 2/3 blocked attacks.

SOOOOOO this answered nothing I said, with no data or proof in video added, but say “if you can’t do such and such. don’t blame the game.”

Thing is, i said i know how to play the game, see what works and what doesn’t. You’re saying shit like you don’t see ryu’s matchups for yourself and then turn around and tell someone to “GET GOOD” but the proof is already in the pudding with how bad his matchups are to how he’s just about even with the rest, which most aren’t strongly in his favor.

You talk about “OH HE KNOCKS OFF SO MUCH WITH ETC. HITS.” Yeah no shit, so what? he doesn’t have many options as opposed to other players so obviously he clearly should. Thing is he can hardly get those limited options he has compared to others.

And honestly I’m not explaining another thing to you since you haven’t explained or showed a thing yourself, which means talking to you is backtrolling and a waste of time.

Yep, ryu is so bad that in japan they think he’s top two. Go watch some daigo replay if you want “video proof” (of what, we don’t know).
You keep saying that everybody is safe and ryu can’t punish “things”…what the hell does that even mean? Do you have a specific question about a matchup/situation, or you are just trying to mask your nerd rage because you probably don’t win as much as you would like?

[RocketUppercut]

This game reminds me so much of SFxT, horrible release and terrible reviews, dumbed down to bring in new players. All of these things work counter intuitive to one another, the terrible reviews scare off any new players and **the dumbed down gameplay turns off seasoned players from SF4. **

just lol

I’m probably going to regret asking, so I’m not going to. I’ll just take your comment for what it’s worth, you are ‘laughing out loud’ and feel the need to let us on the internet know. Consider this the validation you so desperately crave.

I agree with Nick in laughing at your original comment. You’re coming from SFIV talking about “dumbed down gameplay”. The level of irony in your statement is staggering.

[DragonthornX]

Everyone’s entitled to his opinion. For me, I like the footsie oriented focus of the game. SFV is thr perfect example of a game that’s easier to learn, but even more difficult to master. It’s like playing poker… It’ll only take you a couple of mins to kmow the rules, but it takes awhile to learn how to play the game at a high level.

The dumbed down execution to me is a plus, not a minus. Even if you take the most casual player, executing all the moves and combos won’t do him good unless he can land it in a match against a more experienced player. So I din’t think the game itself is dumbed down. The meta game is deep. There’s a lot of footsies going on here.

[Starslicer]

Hate it.

Loathe it, in fact.

The current version, in my opinion, is trash and I want heavy revisions all the way around. I may be heavily biased on this, but seeing as I main ryu (At least until Ibuki is “ON THE SCENE!”), I realized that this game really gave him the pits. Other characters also don’t have many great options and push them to either have to get in close and take hits to win or just zone.

The ridiculous part is - is that the ones who need to get in close are the very ones with poor normals and the one who can zone have all the options and can also literally ex spam their moves with split second choices leaving a majority of them safe.

And I know, a lot of people will say, “Well maybe you just don’t play Ryu good.” or “Well have you been using his parry function/v-meter properly?” and the truth is = 8 out of 10 Ryu matches i’ve faced have been in my favor and I can say his parry function is really a love it or hate it situation. It can open doors, but it does not stop character’s quick recovery in some instances. You literally have to throw out your combo right after the parry to make it work. The fact that I get teched from a grab right after parrying is laughable as that would never happen in, say, third strike. Maybe it’s online play or what, but even following up with combos have ben blocked after the parry function and it kind of make the whole option of using it other than fear tactics more risk than reward.

Thing I hate about this game is I expected a cut above from IV. I expected a lot more “in your face” gameplay and not people zoning like in IV. And at the very least if it were there, there’d be better options to punish zoners. And that just isn’t the real case here when you have some characters who have limited options and while you can get great at them, you can still have that instance where even scrubs can body you because nothing you can do works as long as they block/tech and have higher priority over everything you do (which is vastly unsafe compared to everything they do.)

I kinda just expected if the game, as is, was to come out like this, it’d give better equal standards for all the characters, but instead it just seems like the whole gameplay revolves around how good the character is, instead of player skill. And don’t get me wrong - Almost every SF game has that standard of “how good the character is” to it with tiers, but 3s really did even the odds in player skill that IV and V just still aren’t getting the grapple on yet.

None the less, while I really hate it, I’m still enjoying it since it’s street fighter and it’s still version 1. So I hope it really gets better in time and these next couple of updates address some of these balance issues as well as give us more updates swifter than giving one character per month for a game we already paid 60 dollars for.

And furthermore, if the rumors are true, getting 100k fight money to buy a character (as opposed to buying DLC.) is again - ridiculous for a game we already paid 60 dollars for. Do stuff like that for character costumes or something instead of that survival mode crap (You could use the end prize for that for something better.), but not things like this.

I don’t expect a lot of folks to agree with my view or the whole rant, but there’s my two cents.

who’s the character with higher priority on everything he does?

Bison, Chun, Nash, Cammy, Nacalli.

Better priority with safe blockstuns (Nash being the least safe.) and are the most risky to capitalize on punishment without meeting fierce ex spam or a normal into wombo combos.

Given this is from Ryu’s standpoint. Ryu rules the air with Bison and has effective tools to get around them all, but when you look at the risk for the gambles you take to win, it’s literally a uphill battle for Ryu whereas it’s a few blocks away for them.

It’s a raw end of the deal.

Another thing that’s getting annoying is when the server doesn’t access points but when i lose, it does the shit and then later my shit is gone. Yet I never get the points from those wins.

I’m really strongly becoming over this game.

So, with “better priority” you mean longer frame trap strings (which is not really true with nash).
I think you are trying too hard to play your version of street fighter, while not giving street fighter v a chance.
If you read the frame data you’ll notice that everyone has frame traps and ways to stay in the opponent’s face. From the frame data you’ll also see that all special moves that can be “spammed” are actually minus on block.
You should try to play one of those five characters you mentioned and you’ll see that you can’t win that much if you just roll your face over buttons.

Show me a video of you playing ryu facing each of the characters i mentioned and lets see the punishes you can do to half their block strings. You say “yes, everyone can be punished.” go figure and ofcourse spamming can be punished. However, I clearly said its more risk than reward for ryu. So playing with other characters means the purpose is defeated. However, you can say if you play those OTHER characters against other characters mentioned then you’ll have something going here.

Either way, this still doesn’t take away the fact that “everyone has frame traps” =/= “Some have less than others.” or “Some are clearly safer than others.”

So again, you typed this out for nothing.

If you can’t punish people don’t blame the game. The cast is, for once, very well balanced, and everyone has tools to deal with every other character.
More risk than reward for ryu, you say? You play a character that knocks off 25/30% of their life bar with 3 hits…

I don’t understand what do you mean with “some frame traps are safer than others”. A frame trap is safe by definition, and the pushback of this game is so high that everyone is back at normal after 2/3 blocked attacks.

SOOOOOO this answered nothing I said, with no data or proof in video added, but say “if you can’t do such and such. don’t blame the game.”

Thing is, i said i know how to play the game, see what works and what doesn’t. You’re saying shit like you don’t see ryu’s matchups for yourself and then turn around and tell someone to “GET GOOD” but the proof is already in the pudding with how bad his matchups are to how he’s just about even with the rest, which most aren’t strongly in his favor.

You talk about “OH HE KNOCKS OFF SO MUCH WITH ETC. HITS.” Yeah no shit, so what? he doesn’t have many options as opposed to other players so obviously he clearly should. Thing is he can hardly get those limited options he has compared to others.

And honestly I’m not explaining another thing to you since you haven’t explained or showed a thing yourself, which means talking to you is backtrolling and a waste of time.

Yep, ryu is so bad that in japan they think he’s top two. Go watch some daigo replay if you want “video proof” (of what, we don’t know).
You keep saying that everybody is safe and ryu can’t punish “things”…what the hell does that even mean? Do you have a specific question about a matchup/situation, or you are just trying to mask your nerd rage because you probably don’t win as much as you would like?

I thought you actually had a retort or video proof of your own, but instead all i get is “If Daigo said it, therefore it must be true.”

The same person who god bodied by a ken shoryu spamming Lupe.

Good video proof bro.

Anyways, that laughable thing you call a comeback aside, if you can’t show me shit, keep your mouth shut on a character you clearly can’t display the pros and short comings of.

[Shumabot]

People in the FGC are mean :s

[REVPETERPOPOFF]

The netcode,matchmaking, and ragequitting(including my own) ruined my hype. I like the game though but I got no local scene unless I wanna travel to LA or San Diego. Also some things feel a little too safe and the mashing jab between strings is weird.

Shoutouts to not wasting your money because steam sharing

[Los]

Hate it.

Loathe it, in fact.

The current version, in my opinion, is trash and I want heavy revisions all the way around. I may be heavily biased on this, but seeing as I main ryu (At least until Ibuki is “ON THE SCENE!”), I realized that this game really gave him the pits. Other characters also don’t have many great options and push them to either have to get in close and take hits to win or just zone.

The ridiculous part is - is that the ones who need to get in close are the very ones with poor normals and the one who can zone have all the options and can also literally ex spam their moves with split second choices leaving a majority of them safe.

And I know, a lot of people will say, “Well maybe you just don’t play Ryu good.” or “Well have you been using his parry function/v-meter properly?” and the truth is = 8 out of 10 Ryu matches i’ve faced have been in my favor and I can say his parry function is really a love it or hate it situation. It can open doors, but it does not stop character’s quick recovery in some instances. You literally have to throw out your combo right after the parry to make it work. The fact that I get teched from a grab right after parrying is laughable as that would never happen in, say, third strike. Maybe it’s online play or what, but even following up with combos have ben blocked after the parry function and it kind of make the whole option of using it other than fear tactics more risk than reward.

Thing I hate about this game is I expected a cut above from IV. I expected a lot more “in your face” gameplay and not people zoning like in IV. And at the very least if it were there, there’d be better options to punish zoners. And that just isn’t the real case here when you have some characters who have limited options and while you can get great at them, you can still have that instance where even scrubs can body you because nothing you can do works as long as they block/tech and have higher priority over everything you do (which is vastly unsafe compared to everything they do.)

I kinda just expected if the game, as is, was to come out like this, it’d give better equal standards for all the characters, but instead it just seems like the whole gameplay revolves around how good the character is, instead of player skill. And don’t get me wrong - Almost every SF game has that standard of “how good the character is” to it with tiers, but 3s really did even the odds in player skill that IV and V just still aren’t getting the grapple on yet.

None the less, while I really hate it, I’m still enjoying it since it’s street fighter and it’s still version 1. So I hope it really gets better in time and these next couple of updates address some of these balance issues as well as give us more updates swifter than giving one character per month for a game we already paid 60 dollars for.

And furthermore, if the rumors are true, getting 100k fight money to buy a character (as opposed to buying DLC.) is again - ridiculous for a game we already paid 60 dollars for. Do stuff like that for character costumes or something instead of that survival mode crap (You could use the end prize for that for something better.), but not things like this.

I don’t expect a lot of folks to agree with my view or the whole rant, but there’s my two cents.

who’s the character with higher priority on everything he does?

Bison, Chun, Nash, Cammy, Nacalli.

Better priority with safe blockstuns (Nash being the least safe.) and are the most risky to capitalize on punishment without meeting fierce ex spam or a normal into wombo combos.

Given this is from Ryu’s standpoint. Ryu rules the air with Bison and has effective tools to get around them all, but when you look at the risk for the gambles you take to win, it’s literally a uphill battle for Ryu whereas it’s a few blocks away for them.

It’s a raw end of the deal.

Another thing that’s getting annoying is when the server doesn’t access points but when i lose, it does the shit and then later my shit is gone. Yet I never get the points from those wins.

I’m really strongly becoming over this game.

So, with “better priority” you mean longer frame trap strings (which is not really true with nash).
I think you are trying too hard to play your version of street fighter, while not giving street fighter v a chance.
If you read the frame data you’ll notice that everyone has frame traps and ways to stay in the opponent’s face. From the frame data you’ll also see that all special moves that can be “spammed” are actually minus on block.
You should try to play one of those five characters you mentioned and you’ll see that you can’t win that much if you just roll your face over buttons.

Show me a video of you playing ryu facing each of the characters i mentioned and lets see the punishes you can do to half their block strings. You say “yes, everyone can be punished.” go figure and ofcourse spamming can be punished. However, I clearly said its more risk than reward for ryu. So playing with other characters means the purpose is defeated. However, you can say if you play those OTHER characters against other characters mentioned then you’ll have something going here.

Either way, this still doesn’t take away the fact that “everyone has frame traps” =/= “Some have less than others.” or “Some are clearly safer than others.”

So again, you typed this out for nothing.

If you can’t punish people don’t blame the game. The cast is, for once, very well balanced, and everyone has tools to deal with every other character.
More risk than reward for ryu, you say? You play a character that knocks off 25/30% of their life bar with 3 hits…

I don’t understand what do you mean with “some frame traps are safer than others”. A frame trap is safe by definition, and the pushback of this game is so high that everyone is back at normal after 2/3 blocked attacks.

SOOOOOO this answered nothing I said, with no data or proof in video added, but say “if you can’t do such and such. don’t blame the game.”

Thing is, i said i know how to play the game, see what works and what doesn’t. You’re saying shit like you don’t see ryu’s matchups for yourself and then turn around and tell someone to “GET GOOD” but the proof is already in the pudding with how bad his matchups are to how he’s just about even with the rest, which most aren’t strongly in his favor.

You talk about “OH HE KNOCKS OFF SO MUCH WITH ETC. HITS.” Yeah no shit, so what? he doesn’t have many options as opposed to other players so obviously he clearly should. Thing is he can hardly get those limited options he has compared to others.

And honestly I’m not explaining another thing to you since you haven’t explained or showed a thing yourself, which means talking to you is backtrolling and a waste of time.

Yep, ryu is so bad that in japan they think he’s top two. Go watch some daigo replay if you want “video proof” (of what, we don’t know).
You keep saying that everybody is safe and ryu can’t punish “things”…what the hell does that even mean? Do you have a specific question about a matchup/situation, or you are just trying to mask your nerd rage because you probably don’t win as much as you would like?

I thought you actually had a retort or video proof of your own, but instead all i get is “If Daigo said it, therefore it must be true.”

The same person who god bodied by a ken shoryu spamming Lupe.

Good video proof bro.

Anyways, that laughable thing you call a comeback aside, if you can’t show me shit, keep your mouth shut on a character you clearly can’t display the pros and short comings of

Whatever, just keep trolling your way through

[itsOneO]

I kinda feel the same way. I like the throwback feel to SF fundamentals, its just missing hype & player creativity. Everything seems so restricted, its like everybody plays everybody the same online on some flowchart shit. We’ve pretty much seen everybody’s tricks, and there aren’t many to remember.

I like when all the characters in a fighting game “feel” like they’re all broken & OP, but somehow it all balances out for the most part because everybody has dirt. With SFV, Capcom took the opposite approach by eliminating all of the OP-looking cool stuff in the betas, then left us with this sterile retail version. Only Rashid, FANG, and Dhalsim feel endless with possibilities.

3+ years from now, we’ll be playing a totally new SFV thats probably eons better than what we’re playing now. You won’t miss vanilla SFV when its gone, that’s for sure.

[Clamper]

I feel the game’s too simple and low on execution. There’s not much to “grind” on training or anything. You just keep playing to improve your neutral… and that’s it. The mechanics aren’t very challenging. I like the games where you have to train hard and when you’re finally able to do something hard you feel good about it.

I barely play SF5 anymore, i’d suggest you to go after Guilty Gear Xrd if you’re looking for something similar to what i was.

[CrayRaven]

I think SFV lived up to expectations gameplay wise. Everything feels solid. The only thing I’m really disappointed with is the netcode rollback. 70% of my matches I end up fighting teleporters. Its quite disappointing. Other than that, I enjoy it way more than IV. I couldn’t stand the light attack spam into big dmg in IV.

[Tebbo]

i have no hype.
i think the game is fun.

i’m looking forward to seeing how they continue to develop the V concepts.

[Citrus_monkey]

People in the FGC are mean :s

You know I just looked at this thread out of pure curiosity and I’ve only seen you whine about a bunch of things that can me mitigated. Look man, I played 3S for a shitload of years and then didn’t play any fighting games for like 7 or 8 years, now I’m trying to get back into something that I used to be good at and It’s almost like starting fresh…and it’s frustrating as fuck. I got my ass kicked at a local venue and online it’s not much better. I just dropped the game altogether and decided to wait until the march update to let off some steam. Maybe you need to just do that instead of complain about people being mean. You will lose a lot at this game before you get good so stop taking it so personally. If you’re mentally affected by people you’ve never seen nor ever will in an online setting then you’re not ready for online gaming in general. It’s not like FGC players are some strange human breed that happens to be mean. In my own experience I met far more bitter people on leagues…hell, even smash. Suck it up and go play the game man.

[blacksquid]

Def. much less hype than IV but I see a lot of potential. Remember vanilla Sagat? SFV doesn’t feel so terrible after that. It’s fun but kinda boring (that’s an understatement) in this state… Will prob look into the new KOF and GG.