Anyone else not buying into the SFV hype?

[Shumabot]

People in the FGC are mean :s

You know I just looked at this thread out of pure curiosity and I’ve only seen you whine about a bunch of things that can me mitigated. Look man, I played 3S for a shitload of years and then didn’t play any fighting games for like 7 or 8 years, now I’m trying to get back into something that I used to be good at and It’s almost like starting fresh…and it’s frustrating as fuck. I got my ass kicked at a local venue and online it’s not much better. I just dropped the game altogether and decided to wait until the march update to let off some steam. Maybe you need to just do that instead of complain about people being mean. You will lose a lot at this game before you get good so stop taking it so personally. If you’re mentally affected by people you’ve never seen nor ever will in an online setting then you’re not ready for online gaming in general. It’s not like FGC players are some strange human breed that happens to be mean. In my own experience I met far more bitter people on leagues…hell, even smash. Suck it up and go play the game man.

It was a jokey callback to another thread. I posted it directly under a man who was shouting at another man who was shouting at him about whether or not Ryu could be called the guy. I was not in fact emotionally distraught over it.

I haven’t played this game since posting in that other thread because it’s a buggy unenjoyable pile. I have had said to me and definitely said to others way, wayyyyy worse things than any of this while playing League. That game is a salt mine on a salt asteroid that was created when a salt planet crashed into another salt planet because an angry god of salt using arms made of salt smashed them together. The difference between this and league is that league is fun and includes in game chat. This game is unfun and the only interaction with the FGC this forum, reddit, or 4chan seems to provide is people shouting at eachother or talking about Mikas ass. I literally want in game chat, even if it includes trash talk, because at least it’s not an empty void.

[Starslicer]

Hate it.

Loathe it, in fact.

The current version, in my opinion, is trash and I want heavy revisions all the way around. I may be heavily biased on this, but seeing as I main ryu (At least until Ibuki is “ON THE SCENE!”), I realized that this game really gave him the pits. Other characters also don’t have many great options and push them to either have to get in close and take hits to win or just zone.

The ridiculous part is - is that the ones who need to get in close are the very ones with poor normals and the one who can zone have all the options and can also literally ex spam their moves with split second choices leaving a majority of them safe.

And I know, a lot of people will say, “Well maybe you just don’t play Ryu good.” or “Well have you been using his parry function/v-meter properly?” and the truth is = 8 out of 10 Ryu matches i’ve faced have been in my favor and I can say his parry function is really a love it or hate it situation. It can open doors, but it does not stop character’s quick recovery in some instances. You literally have to throw out your combo right after the parry to make it work. The fact that I get teched from a grab right after parrying is laughable as that would never happen in, say, third strike. Maybe it’s online play or what, but even following up with combos have ben blocked after the parry function and it kind of make the whole option of using it other than fear tactics more risk than reward.

Thing I hate about this game is I expected a cut above from IV. I expected a lot more “in your face” gameplay and not people zoning like in IV. And at the very least if it were there, there’d be better options to punish zoners. And that just isn’t the real case here when you have some characters who have limited options and while you can get great at them, you can still have that instance where even scrubs can body you because nothing you can do works as long as they block/tech and have higher priority over everything you do (which is vastly unsafe compared to everything they do.)

I kinda just expected if the game, as is, was to come out like this, it’d give better equal standards for all the characters, but instead it just seems like the whole gameplay revolves around how good the character is, instead of player skill. And don’t get me wrong - Almost every SF game has that standard of “how good the character is” to it with tiers, but 3s really did even the odds in player skill that IV and V just still aren’t getting the grapple on yet.

None the less, while I really hate it, I’m still enjoying it since it’s street fighter and it’s still version 1. So I hope it really gets better in time and these next couple of updates address some of these balance issues as well as give us more updates swifter than giving one character per month for a game we already paid 60 dollars for.

And furthermore, if the rumors are true, getting 100k fight money to buy a character (as opposed to buying DLC.) is again - ridiculous for a game we already paid 60 dollars for. Do stuff like that for character costumes or something instead of that survival mode crap (You could use the end prize for that for something better.), but not things like this.

I don’t expect a lot of folks to agree with my view or the whole rant, but there’s my two cents.

who’s the character with higher priority on everything he does?

Bison, Chun, Nash, Cammy, Nacalli.

Better priority with safe blockstuns (Nash being the least safe.) and are the most risky to capitalize on punishment without meeting fierce ex spam or a normal into wombo combos.

Given this is from Ryu’s standpoint. Ryu rules the air with Bison and has effective tools to get around them all, but when you look at the risk for the gambles you take to win, it’s literally a uphill battle for Ryu whereas it’s a few blocks away for them.

It’s a raw end of the deal.

Another thing that’s getting annoying is when the server doesn’t access points but when i lose, it does the shit and then later my shit is gone. Yet I never get the points from those wins.

I’m really strongly becoming over this game.

So, with “better priority” you mean longer frame trap strings (which is not really true with nash).
I think you are trying too hard to play your version of street fighter, while not giving street fighter v a chance.
If you read the frame data you’ll notice that everyone has frame traps and ways to stay in the opponent’s face. From the frame data you’ll also see that all special moves that can be “spammed” are actually minus on block.
You should try to play one of those five characters you mentioned and you’ll see that you can’t win that much if you just roll your face over buttons.

Show me a video of you playing ryu facing each of the characters i mentioned and lets see the punishes you can do to half their block strings. You say “yes, everyone can be punished.” go figure and ofcourse spamming can be punished. However, I clearly said its more risk than reward for ryu. So playing with other characters means the purpose is defeated. However, you can say if you play those OTHER characters against other characters mentioned then you’ll have something going here.

Either way, this still doesn’t take away the fact that “everyone has frame traps” =/= “Some have less than others.” or “Some are clearly safer than others.”

So again, you typed this out for nothing.

If you can’t punish people don’t blame the game. The cast is, for once, very well balanced, and everyone has tools to deal with every other character.
More risk than reward for ryu, you say? You play a character that knocks off 25/30% of their life bar with 3 hits…

I don’t understand what do you mean with “some frame traps are safer than others”. A frame trap is safe by definition, and the pushback of this game is so high that everyone is back at normal after 2/3 blocked attacks.

SOOOOOO this answered nothing I said, with no data or proof in video added, but say “if you can’t do such and such. don’t blame the game.”

Thing is, i said i know how to play the game, see what works and what doesn’t. You’re saying shit like you don’t see ryu’s matchups for yourself and then turn around and tell someone to “GET GOOD” but the proof is already in the pudding with how bad his matchups are to how he’s just about even with the rest, which most aren’t strongly in his favor.

You talk about “OH HE KNOCKS OFF SO MUCH WITH ETC. HITS.” Yeah no shit, so what? he doesn’t have many options as opposed to other players so obviously he clearly should. Thing is he can hardly get those limited options he has compared to others.

And honestly I’m not explaining another thing to you since you haven’t explained or showed a thing yourself, which means talking to you is backtrolling and a waste of time.

Yep, ryu is so bad that in japan they think he’s top two. Go watch some daigo replay if you want “video proof” (of what, we don’t know).
You keep saying that everybody is safe and ryu can’t punish “things”…what the hell does that even mean? Do you have a specific question about a matchup/situation, or you are just trying to mask your nerd rage because you probably don’t win as much as you would like?

I thought you actually had a retort or video proof of your own, but instead all i get is “If Daigo said it, therefore it must be true.”

The same person who god bodied by a ken shoryu spamming Lupe.

Good video proof bro.

Anyways, that laughable thing you call a comeback aside, if you can’t show me shit, keep your mouth shut on a character you clearly can’t display the pros and short comings of

Whatever, just keep trolling your way through

if this is your way of excusing yourself, thanks.

[Zeniside]

People whom buy into hype remind me of excitable chimps.

If you do not enjoy the game then play something else instead of anguishing over it.

[Starslicer]

I feel the game’s too simple and low on execution. There’s not much to “grind” on training or anything. You just keep playing to improve your neutral… and that’s it. The mechanics aren’t very challenging. I like the games where you have to train hard and when you’re finally able to do something hard you feel good about it.

I barely play SF5 anymore, i’d suggest you to go after Guilty Gear Xrd if you’re looking for something similar to what i was.

Pretty much.

I’m waiting on the next release later this year.

It’s like there’s not much to improve on in this game and you’ll only experience three kind of resistances in this game.

1. The experienced who know their shit and proceed to dominate you and you can’t really be mad, since they knew what they were doing.
2. Zoners.
3. People who sit there and turtle till you come into their space and strictly only punish. It’s not like they’re good or anything, but they just do the same repetitive set ups and wait for you to enter their space to repeat the loop.

The latter two wouldn’t be such an issue if this game wasn’t so rewarding off hit confirms with almost any character.

I forgot who in here tried to laugh about “lol hit confirms were in SF3”, but now that I think about it, the main big damage one hit confirms in 3s came from ken or chun. everyone had them, sure, but it wasnt as big revolving around their entire play like chun.

The game feels so underwhelming and it has you sitting there like, “Really?” when you see shit that wouldn’t fly in like any other game but this one or SFIV.

[Caim]

Limited defensive options are coupled with some insane autopilot mixups never before seen in a Street Fighter game eg Nash teleport, Bison V Trigger, really all kinds of characters to the point that it isn’t worth listing.

Really it’s just that I haven’t found a character that fits me well. I realize this is a lot of complaints but there are a lot of things I really enjoy about the game as well so I’m trying to like it. Right now playing Nash all the time, looking forward to trying Alex

That’s the thing, v-trigger isn’t free for either bison or nash. The utility comes at the cost of options for chars that dont have invul wakeups.

[Daemos]

I have no hype for SF5…

Nevermind that, hype restored.

[FeverAyeAye]

Sadly, SFV’s online component is AWFUL for new players.

QFT

[Ayma]

I’ve already got bored and sleepy even watching top Japanese plays. This isn’t the case in SF4 at least, except some mirrors and Elena.

[dm89132]

People in the FGC are mean :s

You know I just looked at this thread out of pure curiosity and I’ve only seen you whine about a bunch of things that can me mitigated. Look man, I played 3S for a shitload of years and then didn’t play any fighting games for like 7 or 8 years, now I’m trying to get back into something that I used to be good at and It’s almost like starting fresh…and it’s frustrating as fuck. I got my ass kicked at a local venue and online it’s not much better. I just dropped the game altogether and decided to wait until the march update to let off some steam. Maybe you need to just do that instead of complain about people being mean. You will lose a lot at this game before you get good so stop taking it so personally. If you’re mentally affected by people you’ve never seen nor ever will in an online setting then you’re not ready for online gaming in general. It’s not like FGC players are some strange human breed that happens to be mean. In my own experience I met far more bitter people on leagues…hell, even smash. Suck it up and go play the game man.

It was a jokey callback to another thread. I posted it directly under a man who was shouting at another man who was shouting at him about whether or not Ryu could be called the guy. I was not in fact emotionally distraught over it.

I haven’t played this game since posting in that other thread because it’s a buggy unenjoyable pile. I have had said to me and definitely said to others way, wayyyyy worse things than any of this while playing League. That game is a salt mine on a salt asteroid that was created when a salt planet crashed into another salt planet because an angry god of salt using arms made of salt smashed them together. The difference between this and league is that league is fun and includes in game chat. This game is unfun and the only interaction with the FGC this forum, reddit, or 4chan seems to provide is people shouting at eachother or talking about Mikas ass. I literally want in game chat, even if it includes trash talk, because at least it’s not an empty void.

I would think finding a game unfun would be a more serious problem than anything. I played SFIV and now play SFV in this cold, empty and lonely void you keep talking about and I don’t get it. The game’s fun, why do I need someone telling me what a bitch I am while playing it?

[Greenwood]

And to comment on the issue of not feeling fulfilled with winning, I get a lot of that because sooo many rounds are won w/ Nash V Trigger gimmicks

The game is 3 weeks old. Gimmicks work very well in the beginning. Stop complaining about a game that is in it’s infancy.

[mowr]

People were saying vanilla SF4 was too basic. The game will evolve and change. The biggest difference here though is that SFV has a way, wayyyy stronger foundation to build on than SF4 did.

Compare SFV in gameplay terms to WW, Alpha 1, NG and SF4. SFV feels good to play right now without any updates whatsoever, the game is good as it is. I’m hype to see what it will be like 1 year, 2 years down the line with more characters, stronger players and a better understanding of the game across the board.

[OmniCloud]

Nah, love it. It’s honest, and once you get up in skill level, it’s very very rewarding to win matches. all the need to do is build on this foundation. Waaaaaaaay better than SF4, even better than the reiterated iterations like Super and Ultra. Just pissed off all the casuals with the weak features and crappy launch. Still time to right the ship, and when you have a solid base, it’s makes going forward very hype.

[YagamiFire]

I remain very hype about the gameplay, just not what it’s wrapped in or how it was presented as a product. Gameplay is rock solid and the cast is amazing.

[Darklightjg1]

I’ll be beating a dead horse, but my hype for this game isn’t as high as it could’ve been. It died down along with the toning down of stuff in general during the beta period and only a few things got buffed up to my liking. I was an early adopter because of the early gameplay showcases and because the previous gen had a decent track record in terms of content, but ultimately it didn’t deliver as much as I was hoping… partially due to them deliberately removing things or making them weaker. That extended cut trailer with all those new moves that didn’t even make it to the beta still has me salty.

To not be overly negative, I will say I do like that normals as a whole are more usable because there’s no universal mechanic that nullifies them 80% of the time, I like that white chip got buffed before release, stun is visible again, the crush counter changes and I like the 3f input buffer to make links not as strict to pull off (although I wouldn’t mind regardless).

-I still don’t like the lack of damage on some normals, the weaker throws, limited options on hit due to pushback or low frame advantage, the stubby normals for certain moves (that just doesn’t make sense to me in ANY fighting game), slower walkspeeds, random frame drops, horrendous load times and no chip kills unless you burn all your bar. That’s just gameplay stuff, but even as a competitive/tournament player, I wish they didn’t handle the launch so poorly with the lack of content as well. Because all that toning down in the gameplay was for more newer players to get into it, but they defeated the purpose of that by rushing their product out in a very unattractive state. I feel they could’ve at least waited until this March update to put it out and the results/sales would be WAY more positive.

I’m more vocal about the things I don’t like because I still hope they can be improved/changed. Right now the game is “okay” to me, but I want it to be MUCH MORE than “okay”. I have a good history with SF and prefer its emphasis on the ground game and the space control around that than other fighting games, so I would rather be more excited to play it than Guilty Gear, but right now… I’m just not. Hopefully that changes because I’ll always be a SF player first before other games. It still has potential to be a lot closer to my ideal SF, but not in the state that it’s in right now imo.

[AudricVsFood]

This game is simple. I liked 4 bc I could play footsies and outlame the other player. Same thing with Third Strike. In this game, you have to play rushdown, you get way too much mileage off of oki to not play that way.

And one thing I’ve noticed about this game is that it’s a lot more centered around oki and a lot less centered around footsies than people pretend it is. Just bc you’re spending less time on the ground doesn’t mean there’s more footsies being played.

I do enjoy this game, though. I don’t think it’s as good as 4, and 4 isn’t “overloaded” with mechanics as someone said earlier. There’s nothing wrong with having defensive options. 5 has much better balance, but with the small roster, I can’t see how that would be difficult for a design team. I like that every character is exaggerated in how different they are from each other. I mean, shoto clones are fun to play in 4, but I like the current character diversity in 5. As much as I dislike not having defensive options in 5, I can’t really imagine any character being able to abuse this game’s mechanics the way Rose could abuse focus and backdash invincibility in 4, so that’s good.

At the end of the day, the name of the game will always be “Adapt or Die”. Adapt to the game, or don’t. Keep playing 4 if you want. I will. Keep playing 3S if you want. I will. SF5 is a simple game to me, but I’m not the best in my scene. So I’ll keep playing 5, too.

Also, I have no idea why people are complaining about backroll. Just walk the opponent into the corner if they keep backrolling. It’s not that hard. They can only backroll and avoid the guessing on wakeup so many times before they hit the corner. And then the matchup becomes 7-3 in your favor. It won’t make the game a “snorefest”. Just don’t play like an idiot.

I think I’ve finally found the reason I don’t like this game so far. You explain what I personally haven’t liked perfectly. Don’t get me wrong, there are things I like about this game and I’m still going to play it, I just haven’t enjoyed it so far. But I’ve got to improve somehow. Gotta move on or get left behind.

BTW, we’re both from SD (as my name indicates). I’ve seen you in the SD Fight Scene FB page sometimes. Hope we can both level up and can become some of the best in our area. Good luck to you! Gotta stop giving my money to PNoy (or Pogi as he’s gone by recently?) every week…or at least the weeks I do go.

Lol Pnoy wins every local tournament. EXCEPT FOR MONDAY! Btw, add me on Facebook. Lol.

[AudricVsFood]

People were saying vanilla SF4 was too basic. The game will evolve and change. The biggest difference here though is that SFV has a way, wayyyy stronger foundation to build on than SF4 did.

Compare SFV in gameplay terms to WW, Alpha 1, NG and SF4. SFV feels good to play right now without any updates whatsoever, the game is good as it is. I’m hype to see what it will be like 1 year, 2 years down the line with more characters, stronger players and a better understanding of the game across the board.

Well, none of the other games had as strong a beta as 5 did. And the era of communication we are in now compared to the one we were in when SF4 came out certainly should help as well.

[mowr]

People were saying vanilla SF4 was too basic. The game will evolve and change. The biggest difference here though is that SFV has a way, wayyyy stronger foundation to build on than SF4 did.

Compare SFV in gameplay terms to WW, Alpha 1, NG and SF4. SFV feels good to play right now without any updates whatsoever, the game is good as it is. I’m hype to see what it will be like 1 year, 2 years down the line with more characters, stronger players and a better understanding of the game across the board.

Well, none of the other games had as strong a beta as 5 did. And the era of communication we are in now compared to the one we were in when SF4 came out certainly should help as well.

That’s only going to continue to be an advantage. SFV has serious potential.

[Foolinfection]

I was super excited for this game since last E3. Loved it the first 2 betas. Then from beta 3 onward the game has had this weird sterile feeling to me. The pacing and game play used to feel like this sweet mix of ST and 3S with some new things thrown in. A lot of the cast lost some really fun tools and options as the game developed. Felt like I was literally watching the game get the fun sucked out of it. I think this is where a lot of the Ken negativity comes from. He plays like a completely different character now than before (from beta 2) and I’m one of those people who found him not as wonderful to play because of it. That is subjective of course.

Then there’s been my personal experience with the online component. Started out great for the most part and then steadily became worse through each beta phase. By beta 4 and 5 I was getting matched up with only Mexican and Canadian players. Launch week was great online. Then after server maintenance that weekend it became worse than the previous beta as I now only get matches with players on the other side of the world.

For a while I had to force myself to try and like this game but I pretty much have practically dropped it already. I haven’t even turned the game on in almost 3 weeks. I would have to say I find the game very unsatisfactory. I spent a good amount of 6 years playing a game I didn’t like. Not really interested in doing that again. Lol

[Citrus_monkey]

People in the FGC are mean :s

You know I just looked at this thread out of pure curiosity and I’ve only seen you whine about a bunch of things that can me mitigated. Look man, I played 3S for a shitload of years and then didn’t play any fighting games for like 7 or 8 years, now I’m trying to get back into something that I used to be good at and It’s almost like starting fresh…and it’s frustrating as fuck. I got my ass kicked at a local venue and online it’s not much better. I just dropped the game altogether and decided to wait until the march update to let off some steam. Maybe you need to just do that instead of complain about people being mean. You will lose a lot at this game before you get good so stop taking it so personally. If you’re mentally affected by people you’ve never seen nor ever will in an online setting then you’re not ready for online gaming in general. It’s not like FGC players are some strange human breed that happens to be mean. In my own experience I met far more bitter people on leagues…hell, even smash. Suck it up and go play the game man.

It was a jokey callback to another thread. I posted it directly under a man who was shouting at another man who was shouting at him about whether or not Ryu could be called the guy. I was not in fact emotionally distraught over it.

I haven’t played this game since posting in that other thread because it’s a buggy unenjoyable pile. I have had said to me and definitely said to others way, wayyyyy worse things than any of this while playing League. That game is a salt mine on a salt asteroid that was created when a salt planet crashed into another salt planet because an angry god of salt using arms made of salt smashed them together. The difference between this and league is that league is fun and includes in game chat. This game is unfun and the only interaction with the FGC this forum, reddit, or 4chan seems to provide is people shouting at eachother or talking about Mikas ass. I literally want in game chat, even if it includes trash talk, because at least it’s not an empty void.

If you’re trying to argue that this game is buggy and not fun then that’s a very shallow argument. The online needs fixing but the game itself is not buggy except for the one glitch with claw and chun, and I find this game to be mountains of fun, and so do thousands of other people. I don’t care about chat either. I can’t play this game and talk at the same time and expect to perform well. Either way you say you want chat but you also state that the FGC is a bunch of people shouting at each other…so you want to shout at other people online and vice versa? If you don’t enjoy the game then move on.

Characters are my main source of hype, and I’m overly hyped about alex and the urien. Guile I’m midly hyped for and the others characters are ehn. I have two things to look forward to in the short term and long term so that’s neat, but I really wish there were some incoming features such as color editor and customizable music. To me that would make the game much more enjoyable, and I doubt it’s hard to implement either. KOFXIII and TT2 did a great job at it.

[Shumabot]

If you’re trying to argue that this game is buggy and not fun then that’s a very shallow argument. The online needs fixing but the game itself is not buggy except for the one glitch with claw and chun, and I find this game to be mountains of fun, and so do thousands of other people.

It’s not buggy, that’s why lobbies still crash and I still can’t see a players account information before 50% of my fights. It was bug free, that’s why it was literally unplayable for days. It’s bug free, that’s why it frezzes on minimize constantly and has incredibly bad multi monitor support.

Maybe it’s because I’m on PC, but the game is very, very badly made.

I don’t care about chat either. I can’t play this game and talk at the same time and expect to perform well. Either way you say you want chat but you also state that the FGC is a bunch of people shouting at each other…so you want to shout at other people online and vice versa? If you don’t enjoy the game then move on.

I did.

The FGC isn’t the people playing this game. The “FGC” is a small insular community of people who have been playing fighting games for two decades and who play most fighting games. They talk to eachother outside of the game. It’s a club. What I want to do is talk to my opponents before during and after fights and have the option to rematch them if I enjoyed myself. I want to do that inside the game itself. Having to develop an entirely new social group just to enjoy a game is onerous at best.