YagamiFire:
Iām in a holding pattern as I await something going disastrously wrong with the March update. I can already see a shit-storm on the horizonā¦
60k viewers and 1000+ in attendanceā¦and NOTHING to show for the March update from Capcom? Worrisomeā¦
Only still images for Alex? No trailer yet? Worrisomeā¦
Capcom got bigger issues than that. The company trolled stream viewers and those at audience at Final Round with an Alex trailer but delivered nothing. Look at the general thread at all the outrage it caused.
Oh Iām aware. Itās fucking absurd. How the hell hard is it to put together a trailer for people? Something? Anything? A frigginā 30 second clip of a combo into Critical Art followed by black-screen with release date. Literally about 20 minutes of work to put together.
My conclusion as just some schmoe thatās worked in the industry?
The shit is VAPOR at the moment. Alex is HIGHLY unfinished and not even in a displayable state outside of some stills of his model. Maybe Capcom is in full-on panic mode right now working to crank it out while ALSO fixing the myriad issues in the game.
It would make sense.
The trolling on top of that? Worse than a āPlease understandā mea culpa moment. Capcom continues to act as if they are doing everything right and have insane fan-support & customer faith that can allow them to troll (give it up, Capcom, Boon has you beat hands down in good-natured trollingā¦) when NOTHING could be further from the truth. Fucking insanity.
Someone check Capcom HQ for a slow Carbon Monoxide leakā¦cuz theyāve lost their damned minds
Yeah not having an Alex trailer or some gameplay footage days before heās supposed to be released doesnāt exactly instill confidence.
If you had confidence left after the launch then Iāve got a bridge to sell you.
inb4ā¦
Alex release consists of playable Alex that can walk, jump, crouch and block.
āAlex basic attacks & special moves releasing alongside Story Mode in June! GET HYPE!ā - sincerely, Capcom
The problem at launch was the server issues. The characters and gameplay were fine, so I guess I expect the upcoming characters to be fine too.
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You donāt? You canāt die from chip damage unless itās a super, so once they get that low the safest way to get the KO is with a jab.
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If it takes a year to balance this game and a month each to release every other character, this game will probably plummet in sales.
It didnāt give enough to come out for 60 dollars so surely no one will wait a full blown year of any real sales impact to give this game another chance after its all ābalanced and beefed upā.
Yeah they should just rebalance every time the salty scrub lynch mobs gets their panties in a bunch and call for nerfsā¦
Or they could just rebalance when needed and clearly tweak frame data they know is fucked and can see themselves.
But if we gotta be overdramatic about it, ok sure.
but those whining scrubs who wonāt wait for a year balance will leave, you can have the game all to yourself and youāll probably be playing it all by yourself as everyone else will have moved onto another game and SFV will have flopped from little to no player base.
Despite how many people are running around yelling 70k or etc. viewers watching FR or whatnot isnāt really a lot when thereās millions just living in one state - let alone how many live in the damn world.
You can argue this fiercely now cause this is month one, but mark my words - if this game doesnāt change for the better by the time the year is over, youāll be sinking with another shitty crapcom flagship title.
Itās funny to hear all this from someone who thinks so highly of 3S, a game with horrible balance. You canāt sit here and say that balance is so damn important while youāre also claiming 3S is a better game. Clearly you donāt care as much about balance as you say you do.
Iām fairly certain youāre just gonna jump on whatever SFV hate train comes rolling by.
All i read from you is āits ironic cuz u like 3s.ā but never anything of real merit or just about the actual V game when it comes to technicals and issues.
Please just step off or get serious with this discussion because youāre a waste of both our time.
If I find something I donāt like about the game or like about the game iāll discuss it. Unlike you, Iād prefer to actually voice my taste or distaste when Iāve paid my own money on some shit that Iād rather spend on something else.
Whatās there to say? The game is fine. Itās not perfect, but if they are working toward fixing the problems with the netcode and matchmaking it will be pretty damn close. I have no problem with the gameplay or the business model, but those things are subjective.
Iām just calling out the bullshit when I see it, and your mouth smells as ripe as a dairy.
And your posts look as distasteful as something out of the wrong hole of Birdie, but it still shows youāre going nowhere and fast.
They arenāt working on shit that matters on the first update and you got crapcom goggles on with no glass wipers to wipe the crap off. Standing alone on just talking about V and you got nothing to say about that, but you keep speaking on third strike in a convo that iām having with an entirely different person that has nothing to really do with you or my actual issue with V.
Like I said, you guys have a lot to say, but Iām not seeing anyone pick up the sticks here or coming with actual standpoint arguments.
The only one who did was projectjustice, so hey.
Iām pretty sure they have their hands full with the next update. If the networking and matchmaking issues arenāt being addressed after all of the stuff they promised is in the game, I will be raising a fuss. But they got a ridiculous amount of flak for there not being enough offline stuff for casuals to do, so I expect them to be making that their first priority.
And Iām not sure what youāre on about, but youāve been mentioning 3S for a while now. If you donāt want me to bring it up, then donāt put it out there in the first place. If you want to have a private conversation, use the messaging system.
Nope. I brought it up once in the gameās comparison to itās predecessors.
You know, a perfectly logical thing?
Then basically you came outta nowhere like, āOMG UR A 3S FANBOI. NOT THAT THEREāS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT CUZ I LIKE IT TOO.ā and yeah. the other guy started going into detail about how the tier list is more unbalanced to V, which i agreed, but disagreed this game is more leveled like 3s due to other functions of the game, to which we disagreed. so why he and I are still going on is really just burning time for no reason.
But yeah, any further 3s needs not be addressed with you and I and any suggestions you got about the messaging system are appreciated but not needed since youāre just looking for some fodder to use and reaching.
But i hope to see you when the shitstorm starts, cuz when itās time to get on their case, iāll remember what you said.
Lolā¦ You really canāt say that at this point. Even vanilla mvc3 was considered decently balanced after only 2 months of competition.
3S has had ALOT of time to get broken down, but people still donāt know optimal ways to play most of the sf5 characters so whether the game is balanced is way to early to call. Weāll have a much better understanding of the game 6 months to a year from now.
The reason i can say that is cause 3s has had a lot of time to get broken down. Also SFV had betas and tons of feed back from top players and normal players.
Final Round was a very good indicator of character balance. If you was watching almost every character was competitive. I do agree in a few months we will have a much more solid knowledge on the tier list though.
Honestly at this point, itās like Capcom WANTS Street Fighter V to die, itās honestly completely baffling how horrible they are at PR right now. As someone else stated, itās not even just about Alex and more of EVERYTHING WITH ALEXāS RELEASE.
Trials, Daily Challenges, the option to rematch online and so onā¦
All of these is supposed to come at Marchā¦and yet itās the 21st and thereās only 10 days left. If them making the trailer in NCR is supposed to be hype, then they seriously have no fucking clue on how to actually make people hypeā¦
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You donāt? You canāt die from chip damage unless itās a super, so once they get that low the safest way to get the KO is with a jab.
Starslicer:
If it takes a year to balance this game and a month each to release every other character, this game will probably plummet in sales.
It didnāt give enough to come out for 60 dollars so surely no one will wait a full blown year of any real sales impact to give this game another chance after its all ābalanced and beefed upā.
Yeah they should just rebalance every time the salty scrub lynch mobs gets their panties in a bunch and call for nerfsā¦
Or they could just rebalance when needed and clearly tweak frame data they know is fucked and can see themselves.
But if we gotta be overdramatic about it, ok sure.
but those whining scrubs who wonāt wait for a year balance will leave, you can have the game all to yourself and youāll probably be playing it all by yourself as everyone else will have moved onto another game and SFV will have flopped from little to no player base.
Despite how many people are running around yelling 70k or etc. viewers watching FR or whatnot isnāt really a lot when thereās millions just living in one state - let alone how many live in the damn world.
You can argue this fiercely now cause this is month one, but mark my words - if this game doesnāt change for the better by the time the year is over, youāll be sinking with another shitty crapcom flagship title.
Itās funny to hear all this from someone who thinks so highly of 3S, a game with horrible balance. You canāt sit here and say that balance is so damn important while youāre also claiming 3S is a better game. Clearly you donāt care as much about balance as you say you do.
Iām fairly certain youāre just gonna jump on whatever SFV hate train comes rolling by.
All i read from you is āits ironic cuz u like 3s.ā but never anything of real merit or just about the actual V game when it comes to technicals and issues.
Please just step off or get serious with this discussion because youāre a waste of both our time.
If I find something I donāt like about the game or like about the game iāll discuss it. Unlike you, Iād prefer to actually voice my taste or distaste when Iāve paid my own money on some shit that Iād rather spend on something else.
Whatās there to say? The game is fine. Itās not perfect, but if they are working toward fixing the problems with the netcode and matchmaking it will be pretty damn close. I have no problem with the gameplay or the business model, but those things are subjective.
Iām just calling out the bullshit when I see it, and your mouth smells as ripe as a dairy.
And your posts look as distasteful as something out of the wrong hole of Birdie, but it still shows youāre going nowhere and fast.
They arenāt working on shit that matters on the first update and you got crapcom goggles on with no glass wipers to wipe the crap off. Standing alone on just talking about V and you got nothing to say about that, but you keep speaking on third strike in a convo that iām having with an entirely different person that has nothing to really do with you or my actual issue with V.
Like I said, you guys have a lot to say, but Iām not seeing anyone pick up the sticks here or coming with actual standpoint arguments.
The only one who did was projectjustice, so hey.
Iām pretty sure they have their hands full with the next update. If the networking and matchmaking issues arenāt being addressed after all of the stuff they promised is in the game, I will be raising a fuss. But they got a ridiculous amount of flak for there not being enough offline stuff for casuals to do, so I expect them to be making that their first priority.
And Iām not sure what youāre on about, but youāve been mentioning 3S for a while now. If you donāt want me to bring it up, then donāt put it out there in the first place. If you want to have a private conversation, use the messaging system.
Nope. I brought it up once in the gameās comparison to itās predecessors.
You know, a perfectly logical thing?
Then basically you came outta nowhere like, āOMG UR A 3S FANBOI. NOT THAT THEREāS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT CUZ I LIKE IT TOO.ā and yeah. the other guy started going into detail about how the tier list is more unbalanced to V, which i agreed, but disagreed this game is more leveled like 3s due to other functions of the game, to which we disagreed. so why he and I are still going on is really just burning time for no reason.
But yeah, any further 3s needs not be addressed with you and I and any suggestions you got about the messaging system are appreciated but not needed since youāre just looking for some fodder to use and reaching.
But i hope to see you when the shitstorm starts, cuz when itās time to get on their case, iāll remember what you said.
You said youāre ādropping this game like you did 4 and going back to 3S.ā You kinda sound like a 3S fanboy when you say that.
I didnāt like 4 either, but I didnāt troll the forums looking for every opportunity to bash the game. Just play the games you do like and move on.
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You donāt? You canāt die from chip damage unless itās a super, so once they get that low the safest way to get the KO is with a jab.
Starslicer:
If it takes a year to balance this game and a month each to release every other character, this game will probably plummet in sales.
It didnāt give enough to come out for 60 dollars so surely no one will wait a full blown year of any real sales impact to give this game another chance after its all ābalanced and beefed upā.
Yeah they should just rebalance every time the salty scrub lynch mobs gets their panties in a bunch and call for nerfsā¦
Or they could just rebalance when needed and clearly tweak frame data they know is fucked and can see themselves.
But if we gotta be overdramatic about it, ok sure.
but those whining scrubs who wonāt wait for a year balance will leave, you can have the game all to yourself and youāll probably be playing it all by yourself as everyone else will have moved onto another game and SFV will have flopped from little to no player base.
Despite how many people are running around yelling 70k or etc. viewers watching FR or whatnot isnāt really a lot when thereās millions just living in one state - let alone how many live in the damn world.
You can argue this fiercely now cause this is month one, but mark my words - if this game doesnāt change for the better by the time the year is over, youāll be sinking with another shitty crapcom flagship title.
Itās funny to hear all this from someone who thinks so highly of 3S, a game with horrible balance. You canāt sit here and say that balance is so damn important while youāre also claiming 3S is a better game. Clearly you donāt care as much about balance as you say you do.
Iām fairly certain youāre just gonna jump on whatever SFV hate train comes rolling by.
All i read from you is āits ironic cuz u like 3s.ā but never anything of real merit or just about the actual V game when it comes to technicals and issues.
Please just step off or get serious with this discussion because youāre a waste of both our time.
If I find something I donāt like about the game or like about the game iāll discuss it. Unlike you, Iād prefer to actually voice my taste or distaste when Iāve paid my own money on some shit that Iād rather spend on something else.
Whatās there to say? The game is fine. Itās not perfect, but if they are working toward fixing the problems with the netcode and matchmaking it will be pretty damn close. I have no problem with the gameplay or the business model, but those things are subjective.
Iām just calling out the bullshit when I see it, and your mouth smells as ripe as a dairy.
And your posts look as distasteful as something out of the wrong hole of Birdie, but it still shows youāre going nowhere and fast.
They arenāt working on shit that matters on the first update and you got crapcom goggles on with no glass wipers to wipe the crap off. Standing alone on just talking about V and you got nothing to say about that, but you keep speaking on third strike in a convo that iām having with an entirely different person that has nothing to really do with you or my actual issue with V.
Like I said, you guys have a lot to say, but Iām not seeing anyone pick up the sticks here or coming with actual standpoint arguments.
The only one who did was projectjustice, so hey.
Iām pretty sure they have their hands full with the next update. If the networking and matchmaking issues arenāt being addressed after all of the stuff they promised is in the game, I will be raising a fuss. But they got a ridiculous amount of flak for there not being enough offline stuff for casuals to do, so I expect them to be making that their first priority.
And Iām not sure what youāre on about, but youāve been mentioning 3S for a while now. If you donāt want me to bring it up, then donāt put it out there in the first place. If you want to have a private conversation, use the messaging system.
Nope. I brought it up once in the gameās comparison to itās predecessors.
You know, a perfectly logical thing?
Then basically you came outta nowhere like, āOMG UR A 3S FANBOI. NOT THAT THEREāS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT CUZ I LIKE IT TOO.ā and yeah. the other guy started going into detail about how the tier list is more unbalanced to V, which i agreed, but disagreed this game is more leveled like 3s due to other functions of the game, to which we disagreed. so why he and I are still going on is really just burning time for no reason.
But yeah, any further 3s needs not be addressed with you and I and any suggestions you got about the messaging system are appreciated but not needed since youāre just looking for some fodder to use and reaching.
But i hope to see you when the shitstorm starts, cuz when itās time to get on their case, iāll remember what you said.
You said youāre ādropping this game like you did 4 and going back to 3S.ā You kinda sound like a 3S fanboy when you say that.
I didnāt like 4 either, but I didnāt troll the forums looking for every opportunity to bash the game. Just play the games you do like and move on.
I said if ibuki turns out to be bad in this game iāmma just drop it and go back to 3s. Iām a fanboy for that?
ok. Going back to the only sf i like makes me a fanboy then i donāt care.
The thread is about who doesnāt feel hype about V. So if I express i donāt like it and frequent the thread, then ???
I may have some moments i might complain about the game, but in every other thread you see me participating just fine. So make sense.
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Honestly at this point, itās like Capcom WANTS Street Fighter V to die, itās honestly completely baffling how horrible they are at PR right now. As someone else stated, itās not even just about Alex and more of EVERYTHING WITH ALEXāS RELEASE.
Trials, Daily Challenges, the option to rematch online and so onā¦
All of these is supposed to come at Marchā¦and yet itās the 21st and thereās only 10 days left. If them making the trailer in NCR is supposed to be hype, then they seriously have no fucking clue on how to actually make people hypeā¦
Im as patient as someone that loves SF can be but even Im getting annoyed now. Its the 21st of the month and nothing, not even a fucking trailer!
I did enjoy watching Final Round but dam Capcom this shit should of been out by now. Im leaving for a 2 week vacation in 3 days. I was hoping to be able to play Alex before leaving.
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3S balance is terrible and its option selects are ridiculous. I love the game though.
This Starslicer guy just sounds like a hardcore 3S fanboy, judging from a lot of his posts. Seriously, just go play 3S already. Itās the only game that will make you happy. The game has better online play anyway.
The balance is terrible, but thereās nothing wrong with options select if you know what to do/how to get around it. And in 3S thereās a myriad of ways to get around shit and always something new that you never expected to see - even now. As far as a hardcore 3s fan - So? Itās a good game and even you admit to loving it, but 3S has shit that equalizes bringing player skill out to shine as opposed to people just strictly tier whoring. What made kuroda amazing is what we shamelessly see non-existent in shit like IV or at the very least rare. I wonāt say V doesnāt show an amazing play of player skill, because it does, but thereās still issues with this game that need to be fixed. And acting like it isnāt is ignoring progress. (Even if it is just starting off and will get better later, the issues need to be addressed as progress moves along and thereās nothing wrong with that.)
And I still do play 3s, but that doesnāt mean I donāt want to play V as well and enjoy it, so bringing out my love for 3s is kinda sidetracking when itās obvious a series will always be compared to itās predecessors to project itās progress as a series.
As a stand-alone game, the game still has issues which Iāve already addressed, but we donāt need to go down this dead horse of a path again.
I love 3s as well but I know it has its issues too. You are still comparing gameplay to a evolved SF3 series games. I have yet to hear you speak about New Generation. SFV its in its first version, lets stop acting as if the game wont evolve. You gotta take off the 3s beer goggles, your comparisons just isnt fair. I love to watch RX play Urien in 3s. The things he could do were amazing. I really hope he jumps on SFV when Urien makes the roster.
I made references and fully noted that 3s is the third revised version of the street fighter 3 series, yet you fully (if you read my previous posts.) acknowledged this, yet omit the fact that I clearly stated IV was in a better state than V in Vanilla and still is a pretty bad game after 8 years of maturity.
So with that said, youāre cherry picking on that matter and completely ignoring that Iāve already openly stated my issues with V (And on V alone.) with how certain things in certain match ups are ridiculous with who can stuff what and how free they can get away with it. So thereās also me going into depth on that as well as how some characters have more ease and use of nice safe setups compared to others with little window and high risk of chance to seriously interrupt. So thereās that.
The game needs work. Lets fully acknowledge that.
I completely disagree with your statement that SFIV is in a better state than V in vanilla. SFV is better than SFIV right now period. SF4 will forever be bad but it was a needed evil to bring back fighters into the limelight again. I didnt see your post that you stated that you recognize that 3s was the 3rd revision of the series.
That could be applied to any fighting game, you are always going to have good and bad matchups. Some characters will always be easier to use than others so I dont see anything different when it comes to SFV vs other or past fighters. Sounds like a personal complaint to me.
SFV core mechanics doesnt need work, it needs expansion just like every other SF before it has gone through. Fundamentally its better than USF4 and its better balanced than 3s.
Well i disagree with that. IV had more content than V in vanilla and while I agree that IV infinitely sucks more in comparison period, even ray charles could see IV came out with a better set up of stuff than V, but if you donāt see the difference, then Iām assuming presentation doesnāt matter to you as long as you enjoy barebones gameplay. (Which, even then, while better than IV, this game still has issues in at itās V state.)
Youāre always gonna have good and bad matchups, but it gets to become a BLARING issue where it becomes more about player matchup than player skill. Therein lies the problem and the reasoning behind why I ever even mentioned 3s in this in the first place other than besides the fact that itās a part of the sf series. The parry system leveled the matchup playing field and made you able to really make it with any character as long as you had a good basis of how they worked in every matchup + what you could also gain and benefit from in the parry system.
I agree with your last statement of being better balanced and fundamentally better, but I disagree that itās start off was better than IV and fundamentally a better game than 3s at this point unless the v meter system really becomes serious game changing shit.
The parry system did not level any matchups in 3s. It actually made the top 3, the top 3 period. Sometimes you could of thrown Makoto in there but on a rare occasion.
Disagreed. Plenty of tourneys and gameplay out there from high level players that prove otherwise, but you focus too much on USA Ken, Chun and Yun players.
The top will always be the top in tier, but you saw more upsets in 3s than other SF games in my opinion. V is ruled out since it just came out and high level tourney play is still fresh.
I disagree because theres more that separates low tier and high tier characters besides parries. However, high tier is high tier due to the options they have after a successful parry and their other options without. I dont care how great you are at parries, a Sean player is going to have a hell of a hard time beating a equal level Chun Li player in 3s.
Ok but a sean player has more viable options through parry to win + their player skill with him.
You can say PARRY + TOP TIER = GODTIER yes sure, but just because youāre low tier doesnāt mean after you parry thereās a sudden smaller window to punish the person from throwing out fuckshit. you can parry, redparry and mix it up. Iāve seen sean players body good chuns so no.
Sure you will always say itās a uphill battle of a matchup but this omits that the parrying system doesnāt level the playing field to so many more options in where the match can go.
Can you see that happening in V? Can you even see that laughable parry that ryu has now as some sort of measure up?
I didnāt think so.
Anyone who seriously thinks ātop tier gonna stay top tierā in 3s and it doesnāt boil down to player skill (At the very least MORE SO than itās successors.) probably either doesnāt play it as much or only watches youtube matches and isnāt even good at it. But youāre free to believe whatever you wish bro.
Sean player cant even do a tornado kick cause on hit or block it can be punished. lol
The Sean player that body the Chun li player werent of equal skill. Go find me tournament matches of high level Sean player bodying Chun Li. I would love to see that.
The fact that you are comparing Ryuās SFV parry to his SF3 version really tells me you arent understanding how things work. SFV combat engine is not the same as SF3. If Ryu had 3s parry, dude would be god tier. You just cant copy and paste and call it a day.
Top tier in 3s have been top tier for over a decade. Where have you been? lol
Yawn.
Clearly the sean player was better if heās beating a top tier player and using parry. so hence āplayer skillā would mean someone is obviously better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIffJKaHHHA
Have fun.
Join fightcade youāll see all sorts. and if I said āCan you see how laughable ryuās parry is in some sort of measure up?ā ergo meaning the systems are completely different and itās pretty S H I T T Y in comparison to 3sā version and may as well not even be much great for this game anyways, but apparently you arenāt catching onto the obvious.
And for your whatever about his tornado kick (Iām guessing you mean his lil tatsumaki version.) assuming they donāt parry, you can link that into a grab which can be teched and leave him safe assuming they blocked it or you know - some folks mash DP after itās over if they block. If youāre the sean player, iād assume youād block or grab after.
You are going to post a video of Kuroda!? Dude is like one of the greatest 3s players ever. LMAO I asked for a normal tournament video, you cant find one.
I am on fightcade and everything else before it as well. I love playing the old school fightrs. I do play 3s on it too but what does this have to do with SFV? Ill tell you, nothing.
3s character balance is terrible and the parry system doesnt level anything. It actually makes it more unbalanced.
Hmmmmmm.
Anyways, player skill > tiers in 3s. If kuroda can do it, then itās certainly within the ability of sean being able to do it with anyone else whose good enough with him as well.
You tried to pick sean because heās bottom tier in 3s, but you failed. So yeah, you donāt really have a basis there and I doubt you play it much.
You canāt argue against how stilted the top tier in that game was. If parries functioned as a method to even out different levels of power between characters it wouldnāt have been such a consistently stale meta for so long. A good player with a bad character will beat a worse player, but between two great players the choice of character really does matter a lot .
If thatās the case, players like RX or Kokujin or J wouldnāt be playing people that werenāt yun/ken/chun.
The argument is always āOh well you gotta be even BETTER than top tier char player to beat him even with parry system.ā, but the reality is you parry, you know how to punish and you know what situations and setups each character is gonna do and what your character can do to get out of it.
Itās that simple and we shouldnāt make an arm or a leg out of it.
It wasnāt a consistent stale meta anywhere other than USA, so no.
Itās a dead meta everywhere, including the US. You could fit its entire playing population in a small highschool gym. At its highest level it was the Chun-show. As much as inviting people to the Chun-show was fun it was stale and god old immediately. Itās never not going to have been a stilted repetitive meta, especially not now that its top players have moved on and itās just people playing it as an afterwork hobby with friends. You can just look at the results of the vast majority of its tournaments and see a very consistent pattern of character participation.
Fun facts:
There were no Chun teams in pre coop top 8
It was understood for years that it isnāt Chun thatās vastly out of balance, itās that sheās the best character and that the big 3 Chun players are pretty much the best players overall. MOV and Nuki also have two of the best Kens in Japan. Rikimaru is not just the best Chun, heās also a ridiculous Yun, Dudley, and Urien player. The big 3 Chuns didnāt team this year and suddenly there wasnāt a Chun in pre coop top 8. Kinda makes you thinkā¦
Almost none of the top players have moved on lol. Who are you even talking about. 3s more than any other game has top players who play 3s and nothing else. Pyrolee once said āIām not a video game player, Iām not a fighting game player, Iām a 3s player.ā This encapsulates the attitude of most notable players in the community in both Japan and America.
I donāt see why 3s even needs to be in this conversation tbh
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3S balance is terrible and its option selects are ridiculous. I love the game though.
This Starslicer guy just sounds like a hardcore 3S fanboy, judging from a lot of his posts. Seriously, just go play 3S already. Itās the only game that will make you happy. The game has better online play anyway.
The balance is terrible, but thereās nothing wrong with options select if you know what to do/how to get around it. And in 3S thereās a myriad of ways to get around shit and always something new that you never expected to see - even now. As far as a hardcore 3s fan - So? Itās a good game and even you admit to loving it, but 3S has shit that equalizes bringing player skill out to shine as opposed to people just strictly tier whoring. What made kuroda amazing is what we shamelessly see non-existent in shit like IV or at the very least rare. I wonāt say V doesnāt show an amazing play of player skill, because it does, but thereās still issues with this game that need to be fixed. And acting like it isnāt is ignoring progress. (Even if it is just starting off and will get better later, the issues need to be addressed as progress moves along and thereās nothing wrong with that.)
And I still do play 3s, but that doesnāt mean I donāt want to play V as well and enjoy it, so bringing out my love for 3s is kinda sidetracking when itās obvious a series will always be compared to itās predecessors to project itās progress as a series.
As a stand-alone game, the game still has issues which Iāve already addressed, but we donāt need to go down this dead horse of a path again.
I love 3s as well but I know it has its issues too. You are still comparing gameplay to a evolved SF3 series games. I have yet to hear you speak about New Generation. SFV its in its first version, lets stop acting as if the game wont evolve. You gotta take off the 3s beer goggles, your comparisons just isnt fair. I love to watch RX play Urien in 3s. The things he could do were amazing. I really hope he jumps on SFV when Urien makes the roster.
I made references and fully noted that 3s is the third revised version of the street fighter 3 series, yet you fully (if you read my previous posts.) acknowledged this, yet omit the fact that I clearly stated IV was in a better state than V in Vanilla and still is a pretty bad game after 8 years of maturity.
So with that said, youāre cherry picking on that matter and completely ignoring that Iāve already openly stated my issues with V (And on V alone.) with how certain things in certain match ups are ridiculous with who can stuff what and how free they can get away with it. So thereās also me going into depth on that as well as how some characters have more ease and use of nice safe setups compared to others with little window and high risk of chance to seriously interrupt. So thereās that.
The game needs work. Lets fully acknowledge that.
I completely disagree with your statement that SFIV is in a better state than V in vanilla. SFV is better than SFIV right now period. SF4 will forever be bad but it was a needed evil to bring back fighters into the limelight again. I didnt see your post that you stated that you recognize that 3s was the 3rd revision of the series.
That could be applied to any fighting game, you are always going to have good and bad matchups. Some characters will always be easier to use than others so I dont see anything different when it comes to SFV vs other or past fighters. Sounds like a personal complaint to me.
SFV core mechanics doesnt need work, it needs expansion just like every other SF before it has gone through. Fundamentally its better than USF4 and its better balanced than 3s.
Well i disagree with that. IV had more content than V in vanilla and while I agree that IV infinitely sucks more in comparison period, even ray charles could see IV came out with a better set up of stuff than V, but if you donāt see the difference, then Iām assuming presentation doesnāt matter to you as long as you enjoy barebones gameplay. (Which, even then, while better than IV, this game still has issues in at itās V state.)
Youāre always gonna have good and bad matchups, but it gets to become a BLARING issue where it becomes more about player matchup than player skill. Therein lies the problem and the reasoning behind why I ever even mentioned 3s in this in the first place other than besides the fact that itās a part of the sf series. The parry system leveled the matchup playing field and made you able to really make it with any character as long as you had a good basis of how they worked in every matchup + what you could also gain and benefit from in the parry system.
I agree with your last statement of being better balanced and fundamentally better, but I disagree that itās start off was better than IV and fundamentally a better game than 3s at this point unless the v meter system really becomes serious game changing shit.
The parry system did not level any matchups in 3s. It actually made the top 3, the top 3 period. Sometimes you could of thrown Makoto in there but on a rare occasion.
Disagreed. Plenty of tourneys and gameplay out there from high level players that prove otherwise, but you focus too much on USA Ken, Chun and Yun players.
The top will always be the top in tier, but you saw more upsets in 3s than other SF games in my opinion. V is ruled out since it just came out and high level tourney play is still fresh.
I disagree because theres more that separates low tier and high tier characters besides parries. However, high tier is high tier due to the options they have after a successful parry and their other options without. I dont care how great you are at parries, a Sean player is going to have a hell of a hard time beating a equal level Chun Li player in 3s.
Ok but a sean player has more viable options through parry to win + their player skill with him.
You can say PARRY + TOP TIER = GODTIER yes sure, but just because youāre low tier doesnāt mean after you parry thereās a sudden smaller window to punish the person from throwing out fuckshit. you can parry, redparry and mix it up. Iāve seen sean players body good chuns so no.
Sure you will always say itās a uphill battle of a matchup but this omits that the parrying system doesnāt level the playing field to so many more options in where the match can go.
Can you see that happening in V? Can you even see that laughable parry that ryu has now as some sort of measure up?
I didnāt think so.
Anyone who seriously thinks ātop tier gonna stay top tierā in 3s and it doesnāt boil down to player skill (At the very least MORE SO than itās successors.) probably either doesnāt play it as much or only watches youtube matches and isnāt even good at it. But youāre free to believe whatever you wish bro.
Sean player cant even do a tornado kick cause on hit or block it can be punished. lol
The Sean player that body the Chun li player werent of equal skill. Go find me tournament matches of high level Sean player bodying Chun Li. I would love to see that.
The fact that you are comparing Ryuās SFV parry to his SF3 version really tells me you arent understanding how things work. SFV combat engine is not the same as SF3. If Ryu had 3s parry, dude would be god tier. You just cant copy and paste and call it a day.
Top tier in 3s have been top tier for over a decade. Where have you been? lol
Yawn.
Clearly the sean player was better if heās beating a top tier player and using parry. so hence āplayer skillā would mean someone is obviously better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIffJKaHHHA
Have fun.
Join fightcade youāll see all sorts. and if I said āCan you see how laughable ryuās parry is in some sort of measure up?ā ergo meaning the systems are completely different and itās pretty S H I T T Y in comparison to 3sā version and may as well not even be much great for this game anyways, but apparently you arenāt catching onto the obvious.
And for your whatever about his tornado kick (Iām guessing you mean his lil tatsumaki version.) assuming they donāt parry, you can link that into a grab which can be teched and leave him safe assuming they blocked it or you know - some folks mash DP after itās over if they block. If youāre the sean player, iād assume youād block or grab after.
You are going to post a video of Kuroda!? Dude is like one of the greatest 3s players ever. LMAO I asked for a normal tournament video, you cant find one.
I am on fightcade and everything else before it as well. I love playing the old school fightrs. I do play 3s on it too but what does this have to do with SFV? Ill tell you, nothing.
3s character balance is terrible and the parry system doesnt level anything. It actually makes it more unbalanced.
Hmmmmmm.
Anyways, player skill > tiers in 3s. If kuroda can do it, then itās certainly within the ability of sean being able to do it with anyone else whose good enough with him as well.
You tried to pick sean because heās bottom tier in 3s, but you failed. So yeah, you donāt really have a basis there and I doubt you play it much.
You canāt argue against how stilted the top tier in that game was. If parries functioned as a method to even out different levels of power between characters it wouldnāt have been such a consistently stale meta for so long. A good player with a bad character will beat a worse player, but between two great players the choice of character really does matter a lot .
If thatās the case, players like RX or Kokujin or J wouldnāt be playing people that werenāt yun/ken/chun.
The argument is always āOh well you gotta be even BETTER than top tier char player to beat him even with parry system.ā, but the reality is you parry, you know how to punish and you know what situations and setups each character is gonna do and what your character can do to get out of it.
Itās that simple and we shouldnāt make an arm or a leg out of it.
It wasnāt a consistent stale meta anywhere other than USA, so no.
Itās a dead meta everywhere, including the US. You could fit its entire playing population in a small highschool gym. At its highest level it was the Chun-show. As much as inviting people to the Chun-show was fun it was stale and god old immediately. Itās never not going to have been a stilted repetitive meta, especially not now that its top players have moved on and itās just people playing it as an afterwork hobby with friends. You can just look at the results of the vast majority of its tournaments and see a very consistent pattern of character participation.
Fun facts:
There were no Chun teams in pre coop top 8
It was understood for years that it isnāt Chun thatās vastly out of balance, itās that sheās the best character and that the big 3 Chun players are pretty much the best players overall. MOV and Nuki also have two of the best Kens in Japan. Rikimaru is not just the best Chun, heās also a ridiculous Yun, Dudley, and Urien player. The big 3 Chuns didnāt team this year and suddenly there wasnāt a Chun in pre coop top 8. Kinda makes you thinkā¦
Almost none of the top players have moved on lol. Who are you even talking about. 3s more than any other game has top players who play 3s and nothing else. Pyrolee once said āIām not a video game player, Iām not a fighting game player, Iām a 3s player.ā This encapsulates the attitude of most notable players in the community in both Japan and America.
I donāt see why 3s even needs to be in this conversation. Yāall donāt even play it!
(You could still fit its entire competitive scene in a small highschool gym)
It may be bigger than when it was āaliveā and was a dead game, but by 2016 standards itās deader than a doornail. Smite has a small pro scene and is like 3 orders of magnitude larger. Brood War is larger.
A dead games top players are the biggest fish in an aquarium.
Also, Iām not really even on a side in this. I just donāt think universal parry was a good balancing mechanic and I think they should patch SFV twice a year.
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Projectjustice:
Lolā¦ You really canāt say that at this point. Even vanilla mvc3 was considered decently balanced after only 2 months of competition.
3S has had ALOT of time to get broken down, but people still donāt know optimal ways to play most of the sf5 characters so whether the game is balanced is way to early to call. Weāll have a much better understanding of the game 6 months to a year from now.
The reason i can say that is cause 3s has had a lot of time to get broken down. Also SFV had betas and tons of feed back from top players and normal players.
Final Round was a very good indicator of character balance. If you was watching almost every character was competitive. I do agree in a few months we will have a much more solid knowledge on the tier list though.
Unfortunately, I donāt agree with any of that. I mean do you really consider the first major to be a good indication of character balance? Do you really think that 4 3 day betas for a total of 12 total days of play is a great way to balance the game? Capcom has rarely/almost never had good balance on the first version of their game. Lots of times it takes them multiple game versions to get a good balance or if not good balance, then a good meta.
Final round was indicative of almost nothing. There were characters regularly doing unsafe stuff that could get them full combo punished that werenāt punished at all. There were characrers that were regularly doing things that put themselves at frame disadvantage that were able to attack afterwards even at point blank. Likeā¦ Do you know that laura has NO WAY to stop someone from pressuring her with a 3 frame normal after her blocked shoulder unless she has super? It is literally free. And doesnāt even require any kind of fast reactions to do.
People were also missing meter opportunities, not using v skills appropriately, not using v triggers, not getting absolute max damage at easy opportunities.
Final round showed us barely anything. You canāt be seriously saying that the first major of a new series capcom game has showed us how well balanced the game is.
Like I said, we wonāt know this for a few months especially with how complicated the game is and how all around the game is in many aspects. Once a lot of that shit is figured outā¦ Then we can think about the over arching balance.
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3S balance is terrible and its option selects are ridiculous. I love the game though.
This Starslicer guy just sounds like a hardcore 3S fanboy, judging from a lot of his posts. Seriously, just go play 3S already. Itās the only game that will make you happy. The game has better online play anyway.
The balance is terrible, but thereās nothing wrong with options select if you know what to do/how to get around it. And in 3S thereās a myriad of ways to get around shit and always something new that you never expected to see - even now. As far as a hardcore 3s fan - So? Itās a good game and even you admit to loving it, but 3S has shit that equalizes bringing player skill out to shine as opposed to people just strictly tier whoring. What made kuroda amazing is what we shamelessly see non-existent in shit like IV or at the very least rare. I wonāt say V doesnāt show an amazing play of player skill, because it does, but thereās still issues with this game that need to be fixed. And acting like it isnāt is ignoring progress. (Even if it is just starting off and will get better later, the issues need to be addressed as progress moves along and thereās nothing wrong with that.)
And I still do play 3s, but that doesnāt mean I donāt want to play V as well and enjoy it, so bringing out my love for 3s is kinda sidetracking when itās obvious a series will always be compared to itās predecessors to project itās progress as a series.
As a stand-alone game, the game still has issues which Iāve already addressed, but we donāt need to go down this dead horse of a path again.
I love 3s as well but I know it has its issues too. You are still comparing gameplay to a evolved SF3 series games. I have yet to hear you speak about New Generation. SFV its in its first version, lets stop acting as if the game wont evolve. You gotta take off the 3s beer goggles, your comparisons just isnt fair. I love to watch RX play Urien in 3s. The things he could do were amazing. I really hope he jumps on SFV when Urien makes the roster.
I made references and fully noted that 3s is the third revised version of the street fighter 3 series, yet you fully (if you read my previous posts.) acknowledged this, yet omit the fact that I clearly stated IV was in a better state than V in Vanilla and still is a pretty bad game after 8 years of maturity.
So with that said, youāre cherry picking on that matter and completely ignoring that Iāve already openly stated my issues with V (And on V alone.) with how certain things in certain match ups are ridiculous with who can stuff what and how free they can get away with it. So thereās also me going into depth on that as well as how some characters have more ease and use of nice safe setups compared to others with little window and high risk of chance to seriously interrupt. So thereās that.
The game needs work. Lets fully acknowledge that.
I completely disagree with your statement that SFIV is in a better state than V in vanilla. SFV is better than SFIV right now period. SF4 will forever be bad but it was a needed evil to bring back fighters into the limelight again. I didnt see your post that you stated that you recognize that 3s was the 3rd revision of the series.
That could be applied to any fighting game, you are always going to have good and bad matchups. Some characters will always be easier to use than others so I dont see anything different when it comes to SFV vs other or past fighters. Sounds like a personal complaint to me.
SFV core mechanics doesnt need work, it needs expansion just like every other SF before it has gone through. Fundamentally its better than USF4 and its better balanced than 3s.
Well i disagree with that. IV had more content than V in vanilla and while I agree that IV infinitely sucks more in comparison period, even ray charles could see IV came out with a better set up of stuff than V, but if you donāt see the difference, then Iām assuming presentation doesnāt matter to you as long as you enjoy barebones gameplay. (Which, even then, while better than IV, this game still has issues in at itās V state.)
Youāre always gonna have good and bad matchups, but it gets to become a BLARING issue where it becomes more about player matchup than player skill. Therein lies the problem and the reasoning behind why I ever even mentioned 3s in this in the first place other than besides the fact that itās a part of the sf series. The parry system leveled the matchup playing field and made you able to really make it with any character as long as you had a good basis of how they worked in every matchup + what you could also gain and benefit from in the parry system.
I agree with your last statement of being better balanced and fundamentally better, but I disagree that itās start off was better than IV and fundamentally a better game than 3s at this point unless the v meter system really becomes serious game changing shit.
The parry system did not level any matchups in 3s. It actually made the top 3, the top 3 period. Sometimes you could of thrown Makoto in there but on a rare occasion.
Disagreed. Plenty of tourneys and gameplay out there from high level players that prove otherwise, but you focus too much on USA Ken, Chun and Yun players.
The top will always be the top in tier, but you saw more upsets in 3s than other SF games in my opinion. V is ruled out since it just came out and high level tourney play is still fresh.
I disagree because theres more that separates low tier and high tier characters besides parries. However, high tier is high tier due to the options they have after a successful parry and their other options without. I dont care how great you are at parries, a Sean player is going to have a hell of a hard time beating a equal level Chun Li player in 3s.
Ok but a sean player has more viable options through parry to win + their player skill with him.
You can say PARRY + TOP TIER = GODTIER yes sure, but just because youāre low tier doesnāt mean after you parry thereās a sudden smaller window to punish the person from throwing out fuckshit. you can parry, redparry and mix it up. Iāve seen sean players body good chuns so no.
Sure you will always say itās a uphill battle of a matchup but this omits that the parrying system doesnāt level the playing field to so many more options in where the match can go.
Can you see that happening in V? Can you even see that laughable parry that ryu has now as some sort of measure up?
I didnāt think so.
Anyone who seriously thinks ātop tier gonna stay top tierā in 3s and it doesnāt boil down to player skill (At the very least MORE SO than itās successors.) probably either doesnāt play it as much or only watches youtube matches and isnāt even good at it. But youāre free to believe whatever you wish bro.
Sean player cant even do a tornado kick cause on hit or block it can be punished. lol
The Sean player that body the Chun li player werent of equal skill. Go find me tournament matches of high level Sean player bodying Chun Li. I would love to see that.
The fact that you are comparing Ryuās SFV parry to his SF3 version really tells me you arent understanding how things work. SFV combat engine is not the same as SF3. If Ryu had 3s parry, dude would be god tier. You just cant copy and paste and call it a day.
Top tier in 3s have been top tier for over a decade. Where have you been? lol
Yawn.
Clearly the sean player was better if heās beating a top tier player and using parry. so hence āplayer skillā would mean someone is obviously better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIffJKaHHHA
Have fun.
Join fightcade youāll see all sorts. and if I said āCan you see how laughable ryuās parry is in some sort of measure up?ā ergo meaning the systems are completely different and itās pretty S H I T T Y in comparison to 3sā version and may as well not even be much great for this game anyways, but apparently you arenāt catching onto the obvious.
And for your whatever about his tornado kick (Iām guessing you mean his lil tatsumaki version.) assuming they donāt parry, you can link that into a grab which can be teched and leave him safe assuming they blocked it or you know - some folks mash DP after itās over if they block. If youāre the sean player, iād assume youād block or grab after.
You are going to post a video of Kuroda!? Dude is like one of the greatest 3s players ever. LMAO I asked for a normal tournament video, you cant find one.
I am on fightcade and everything else before it as well. I love playing the old school fightrs. I do play 3s on it too but what does this have to do with SFV? Ill tell you, nothing.
3s character balance is terrible and the parry system doesnt level anything. It actually makes it more unbalanced.
Hmmmmmm.
Anyways, player skill > tiers in 3s. If kuroda can do it, then itās certainly within the ability of sean being able to do it with anyone else whose good enough with him as well.
You tried to pick sean because heās bottom tier in 3s, but you failed. So yeah, you donāt really have a basis there and I doubt you play it much.
You canāt argue against how stilted the top tier in that game was. If parries functioned as a method to even out different levels of power between characters it wouldnāt have been such a consistently stale meta for so long. A good player with a bad character will beat a worse player, but between two great players the choice of character really does matter a lot .
If thatās the case, players like RX or Kokujin or J wouldnāt be playing people that werenāt yun/ken/chun.
The argument is always āOh well you gotta be even BETTER than top tier char player to beat him even with parry system.ā, but the reality is you parry, you know how to punish and you know what situations and setups each character is gonna do and what your character can do to get out of it.
Itās that simple and we shouldnāt make an arm or a leg out of it.
It wasnāt a consistent stale meta anywhere other than USA, so no.
Itās a dead meta everywhere, including the US. You could fit its entire playing population in a small highschool gym. At its highest level it was the Chun-show. As much as inviting people to the Chun-show was fun it was stale and god old immediately. Itās never not going to have been a stilted repetitive meta, especially not now that its top players have moved on and itās just people playing it as an afterwork hobby with friends. You can just look at the results of the vast majority of its tournaments and see a very consistent pattern of character participation.
Fun facts:
There were no Chun teams in pre coop top 8
It was understood for years that it isnāt Chun thatās vastly out of balance, itās that sheās the best character and that the big 3 Chun players are pretty much the best players overall. MOV and Nuki also have two of the best Kens in Japan. Rikimaru is not just the best Chun, heās also a ridiculous Yun, Dudley, and Urien player. The big 3 Chuns didnāt team this year and suddenly there wasnāt a Chun in pre coop top 8. Kinda makes you thinkā¦
Almost none of the top players have moved on lol. Who are you even talking about. 3s more than any other game has top players who play 3s and nothing else. Pyrolee once said āIām not a video game player, Iām not a fighting game player, Iām a 3s player.ā This encapsulates the attitude of most notable players in the community in both Japan and America.
I donāt see why 3s even needs to be in this conversation tbh
What makes this more interesting is that you can say that the community for 3s is small, but seeing as itās a game from back in the 90s and thereās still a strong community going for it?
Like in fightcade thereās typically 40 to 70 people playing it alone and those arenāt even the ones who go to tournaments so it goes to show for something thats over well 10 years old to still have a community is pretty amazing in itās own right.
Not to mention folks still play 3s0, so.
Projectjustice:
Lolā¦ You really canāt say that at this point. Even vanilla mvc3 was considered decently balanced after only 2 months of competition.
3S has had ALOT of time to get broken down, but people still donāt know optimal ways to play most of the sf5 characters so whether the game is balanced is way to early to call. Weāll have a much better understanding of the game 6 months to a year from now.
The reason i can say that is cause 3s has had a lot of time to get broken down. Also SFV had betas and tons of feed back from top players and normal players.
Final Round was a very good indicator of character balance. If you was watching almost every character was competitive. I do agree in a few months we will have a much more solid knowledge on the tier list though.
Unfortunately, I donāt agree with any of that. I mean do you really consider the first major to be a good indication of character balance? Do you really think that 4 3 day betas for a total of 12 total days of play is a great way to balance the game? Capcom has rarely/almost never had good balance on the first version of their game. Lots of times it takes them multiple game versions to get a good balance or if not good balance, then a good meta.
Final round was indicative of almost nothing. There were characters regularly doing unsafe stuff that could get them full combo punished that werenāt punished at all. There were characrers that were regularly doing things that put themselves at frame disadvantage that were able to attack afterwards even at point blank. Likeā¦ Do you know that laura has NO WAY to stop someone from pressuring her with a 3 frame normal after her blocked shoulder unless she has super? It is literally free. And doesnāt even require any kind of fast reactions to do.
People were also missing meter opportunities, not using v skills appropriately, not using v triggers, not getting absolute max damage at easy opportunities.
Final round showed us barely anything. You canāt be seriously saying that the first major of a new series capcom game has showed us how well balanced the game is.
Like I said, we wonāt know this for a few months especially with how complicated the game is and how all around the game is in many aspects. Once a lot of that shit is figured outā¦ Then we can think about the over arching balance.
You are entitled to your opinion. From my experience with hundreds of hours ive been into the game, match videos and all the betas. The way fighters are developed today as to compared to the 90s. Things are found much faster on a the entire scale. People are constantly looking for things to report and with betas this is whats been going on with SFV.
SFV doesnt only have 3 or 5 viable characters. The tier list is much more squish together. In time we will get a better view on things but i cant safely say its more balanced than 3s right now.
So after a month of playing, I transformed from hype to hate.
Loved 3S. Hated SF4. Parries, Alex, Urienā¦you could imagine the hype.
Then I played the game. Parry was not as good as 3s. More costly than rewarding actually.
Then there was this thing apparently called frame advantage. I still donāt understand it but what I do understand is that basically my opponent could whip out a fierce attack, an EX even, and still be able to whip out a jab before I can punish. What the f is that bullshit??! Iām talking to the cammyās, Rmikas and Nashās sonic kicks. Blows my simple casual gaming mind I suppose.
Yeah, download V Frames app and learn what frame advantage or disadvantage is. Thatās the first step to becoming a better player in fighting games.