Anyone else not buying into the SFV hype?

[Starslicer]

3S balance is terrible and its option selects are ridiculous. I love the game though.

This Starslicer guy just sounds like a hardcore 3S fanboy, judging from a lot of his posts. Seriously, just go play 3S already. It’s the only game that will make you happy. The game has better online play anyway.

The balance is terrible, but there’s nothing wrong with options select if you know what to do/how to get around it. And in 3S there’s a myriad of ways to get around shit and always something new that you never expected to see - even now. As far as a hardcore 3s fan - So? It’s a good game and even you admit to loving it, but 3S has shit that equalizes bringing player skill out to shine as opposed to people just strictly tier whoring. What made kuroda amazing is what we shamelessly see non-existent in shit like IV or at the very least rare. I won’t say V doesn’t show an amazing play of player skill, because it does, but there’s still issues with this game that need to be fixed. And acting like it isn’t is ignoring progress. (Even if it is just starting off and will get better later, the issues need to be addressed as progress moves along and there’s nothing wrong with that.)

And I still do play 3s, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to play V as well and enjoy it, so bringing out my love for 3s is kinda sidetracking when it’s obvious a series will always be compared to it’s predecessors to project it’s progress as a series.

As a stand-alone game, the game still has issues which I’ve already addressed, but we don’t need to go down this dead horse of a path again.

I love 3s as well but I know it has its issues too. You are still comparing gameplay to a evolved SF3 series games. I have yet to hear you speak about New Generation. SFV its in its first version, lets stop acting as if the game wont evolve. You gotta take off the 3s beer goggles, your comparisons just isnt fair. I love to watch RX play Urien in 3s. The things he could do were amazing. I really hope he jumps on SFV when Urien makes the roster.

I made references and fully noted that 3s is the third revised version of the street fighter 3 series, yet you fully (if you read my previous posts.) acknowledged this, yet omit the fact that I clearly stated IV was in a better state than V in Vanilla and still is a pretty bad game after 8 years of maturity.

So with that said, you’re cherry picking on that matter and completely ignoring that I’ve already openly stated my issues with V (And on V alone.) with how certain things in certain match ups are ridiculous with who can stuff what and how free they can get away with it. So there’s also me going into depth on that as well as how some characters have more ease and use of nice safe setups compared to others with little window and high risk of chance to seriously interrupt. So there’s that.

The game needs work. Lets fully acknowledge that.

I completely disagree with your statement that SFIV is in a better state than V in vanilla. SFV is better than SFIV right now period. SF4 will forever be bad but it was a needed evil to bring back fighters into the limelight again. I didnt see your post that you stated that you recognize that 3s was the 3rd revision of the series.

That could be applied to any fighting game, you are always going to have good and bad matchups. Some characters will always be easier to use than others so I dont see anything different when it comes to SFV vs other or past fighters. Sounds like a personal complaint to me.

SFV core mechanics doesnt need work, it needs expansion just like every other SF before it has gone through. Fundamentally its better than USF4 and its better balanced than 3s.

Well i disagree with that. IV had more content than V in vanilla and while I agree that IV infinitely sucks more in comparison period, even ray charles could see IV came out with a better set up of stuff than V, but if you don’t see the difference, then I’m assuming presentation doesn’t matter to you as long as you enjoy barebones gameplay. (Which, even then, while better than IV, this game still has issues in at it’s V state.)

You’re always gonna have good and bad matchups, but it gets to become a BLARING issue where it becomes more about player matchup than player skill. Therein lies the problem and the reasoning behind why I ever even mentioned 3s in this in the first place other than besides the fact that it’s a part of the sf series. The parry system leveled the matchup playing field and made you able to really make it with any character as long as you had a good basis of how they worked in every matchup + what you could also gain and benefit from in the parry system.

I agree with your last statement of being better balanced and fundamentally better, but I disagree that it’s start off was better than IV and fundamentally a better game than 3s at this point unless the v meter system really becomes serious game changing shit.

[YagamiFire]

I think Capcom is retarded. They have been retarded for a while now, and they continue to make strange, out of touch decisions that piss off their fanbase.

Yup.

[Valoon]

Final Round man, that shit was hype as fuck. If you didn’t like SFV here I think you’ll just not like it at all.

80k viewers too. Only shame is that the final went too quickly.

[Los]

3S balance is terrible and its option selects are ridiculous. I love the game though.

This Starslicer guy just sounds like a hardcore 3S fanboy, judging from a lot of his posts. Seriously, just go play 3S already. It’s the only game that will make you happy. The game has better online play anyway.

The balance is terrible, but there’s nothing wrong with options select if you know what to do/how to get around it. And in 3S there’s a myriad of ways to get around shit and always something new that you never expected to see - even now. As far as a hardcore 3s fan - So? It’s a good game and even you admit to loving it, but 3S has shit that equalizes bringing player skill out to shine as opposed to people just strictly tier whoring. What made kuroda amazing is what we shamelessly see non-existent in shit like IV or at the very least rare. I won’t say V doesn’t show an amazing play of player skill, because it does, but there’s still issues with this game that need to be fixed. And acting like it isn’t is ignoring progress. (Even if it is just starting off and will get better later, the issues need to be addressed as progress moves along and there’s nothing wrong with that.)

And I still do play 3s, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to play V as well and enjoy it, so bringing out my love for 3s is kinda sidetracking when it’s obvious a series will always be compared to it’s predecessors to project it’s progress as a series.

As a stand-alone game, the game still has issues which I’ve already addressed, but we don’t need to go down this dead horse of a path again.

I love 3s as well but I know it has its issues too. You are still comparing gameplay to a evolved SF3 series games. I have yet to hear you speak about New Generation. SFV its in its first version, lets stop acting as if the game wont evolve. You gotta take off the 3s beer goggles, your comparisons just isnt fair. I love to watch RX play Urien in 3s. The things he could do were amazing. I really hope he jumps on SFV when Urien makes the roster.

I made references and fully noted that 3s is the third revised version of the street fighter 3 series, yet you fully (if you read my previous posts.) acknowledged this, yet omit the fact that I clearly stated IV was in a better state than V in Vanilla and still is a pretty bad game after 8 years of maturity.

So with that said, you’re cherry picking on that matter and completely ignoring that I’ve already openly stated my issues with V (And on V alone.) with how certain things in certain match ups are ridiculous with who can stuff what and how free they can get away with it. So there’s also me going into depth on that as well as how some characters have more ease and use of nice safe setups compared to others with little window and high risk of chance to seriously interrupt. So there’s that.

The game needs work. Lets fully acknowledge that.

I completely disagree with your statement that SFIV is in a better state than V in vanilla. SFV is better than SFIV right now period. SF4 will forever be bad but it was a needed evil to bring back fighters into the limelight again. I didnt see your post that you stated that you recognize that 3s was the 3rd revision of the series.

That could be applied to any fighting game, you are always going to have good and bad matchups. Some characters will always be easier to use than others so I dont see anything different when it comes to SFV vs other or past fighters. Sounds like a personal complaint to me.

SFV core mechanics doesnt need work, it needs expansion just like every other SF before it has gone through. Fundamentally its better than USF4 and its better balanced than 3s.

Well i disagree with that. IV had more content than V in vanilla and while I agree that IV infinitely sucks more in comparison period, even ray charles could see IV came out with a better set up of stuff than V, but if you don’t see the difference, then I’m assuming presentation doesn’t matter to you as long as you enjoy barebones gameplay. (Which, even then, while better than IV, this game still has issues in at it’s V state.)

You’re always gonna have good and bad matchups, but it gets to become a BLARING issue where it becomes more about player matchup than player skill. Therein lies the problem and the reasoning behind why I ever even mentioned 3s in this in the first place other than besides the fact that it’s a part of the sf series. The parry system leveled the matchup playing field and made you able to really make it with any character as long as you had a good basis of how they worked in every matchup + what you could also gain and benefit from in the parry system.

I agree with your last statement of being better balanced and fundamentally better, but I disagree that it’s start off was better than IV and fundamentally a better game than 3s at this point unless the v meter system really becomes serious game changing shit.

At this point I don’t know if you’ve ever seen a 3s match besides evo moment #37

[DevilJin_01]

SFV is more about converting casuals to hardcore as opposed to gaining more casuals.

The fighting game market is very saturated at this point and the market is cut up. By converting more casuals to hardcore, CAPCOM can make more money with DLC. Only a certain percentage of players will make enough fight dollars to get stuff for free. Others will need to shell out cash, and that is where you make more dollars.

So that’s why Final Round almost broke fire code with its entrant numbers.

[Xhominid]

The game is indeed far and away the most popular competitively. That’s really not questionable at this point.

They won’t, all 46k people who actually bought the game are here to stay (until Capcom goes bankrupt and turns off the lights).

If the 60K people watching the game did actually buy the game, that would be around 10% of the SFV total estimated sales at this point.

Are you accounting that the 60K(and 80K) at the finals are people who never bought SFV yet and will do so? Yeah no, I don’t really believe that because you have to also account for those that already have SFV and want to watch the tournies, casuals that are either on the fence or not or simply put, those who have no interest in buying the game yet want to get “hype” from a good match. From there, you have to figure out how many will choose to buy the game then and have actual proof that there’s a swing in sales and not simply people making new IDs

Final Round is on and I have it on in the background but am not watching the matches. Just to boring and I don’t respect any SF5 players, whoever they are. I started falling asleep earlier so I stopped watching the matches and started checking forums, eating some food, and messaging friends etc. Truly boring game to watch and play.

Bullshit. If you dislike the game and don’t respect the players, why would you be tuned in and showing support for it? I think you secretly love it, but are afraid to say so. You’re in the closet.

You can support the overall FGC while not giving a shit about the games they play. I seriously do not care for Tekken but that won’t stop me from watching that to support the Tekken scene and I would do the same for the Virtua Fighter scene despite how terribly I would be playing that game.

SFV is more about converting casuals to hardcore as opposed to gaining more casuals.

The fighting game market is very saturated at this point and the market is cut up. By converting more casuals to hardcore, CAPCOM can make more money with DLC. Only a certain percentage of players will make enough fight dollars to get stuff for free. Others will need to shell out cash, and that is where you make more dollars.

And if that’s the goal, Capcom failed miserably, no doubts about that.
No casual who has no vested interest whatsoever in the FGC is suddenly going to be watching FR, any other tournament or even going to Youtube to figure out typical BnB combos and how to really play…

[Projectjustice]

3S balance is terrible and its option selects are ridiculous. I love the game though.

This Starslicer guy just sounds like a hardcore 3S fanboy, judging from a lot of his posts. Seriously, just go play 3S already. It’s the only game that will make you happy. The game has better online play anyway.

The balance is terrible, but there’s nothing wrong with options select if you know what to do/how to get around it. And in 3S there’s a myriad of ways to get around shit and always something new that you never expected to see - even now. As far as a hardcore 3s fan - So? It’s a good game and even you admit to loving it, but 3S has shit that equalizes bringing player skill out to shine as opposed to people just strictly tier whoring. What made kuroda amazing is what we shamelessly see non-existent in shit like IV or at the very least rare. I won’t say V doesn’t show an amazing play of player skill, because it does, but there’s still issues with this game that need to be fixed. And acting like it isn’t is ignoring progress. (Even if it is just starting off and will get better later, the issues need to be addressed as progress moves along and there’s nothing wrong with that.)

And I still do play 3s, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to play V as well and enjoy it, so bringing out my love for 3s is kinda sidetracking when it’s obvious a series will always be compared to it’s predecessors to project it’s progress as a series.

As a stand-alone game, the game still has issues which I’ve already addressed, but we don’t need to go down this dead horse of a path again.

I love 3s as well but I know it has its issues too. You are still comparing gameplay to a evolved SF3 series games. I have yet to hear you speak about New Generation. SFV its in its first version, lets stop acting as if the game wont evolve. You gotta take off the 3s beer goggles, your comparisons just isnt fair. I love to watch RX play Urien in 3s. The things he could do were amazing. I really hope he jumps on SFV when Urien makes the roster.

I made references and fully noted that 3s is the third revised version of the street fighter 3 series, yet you fully (if you read my previous posts.) acknowledged this, yet omit the fact that I clearly stated IV was in a better state than V in Vanilla and still is a pretty bad game after 8 years of maturity.

So with that said, you’re cherry picking on that matter and completely ignoring that I’ve already openly stated my issues with V (And on V alone.) with how certain things in certain match ups are ridiculous with who can stuff what and how free they can get away with it. So there’s also me going into depth on that as well as how some characters have more ease and use of nice safe setups compared to others with little window and high risk of chance to seriously interrupt. So there’s that.

The game needs work. Lets fully acknowledge that.

I completely disagree with your statement that SFIV is in a better state than V in vanilla. SFV is better than SFIV right now period. SF4 will forever be bad but it was a needed evil to bring back fighters into the limelight again. I didnt see your post that you stated that you recognize that 3s was the 3rd revision of the series.

That could be applied to any fighting game, you are always going to have good and bad matchups. Some characters will always be easier to use than others so I dont see anything different when it comes to SFV vs other or past fighters. Sounds like a personal complaint to me.

SFV core mechanics doesnt need work, it needs expansion just like every other SF before it has gone through. Fundamentally its better than USF4 and its better balanced than 3s.

Well i disagree with that. IV had more content than V in vanilla and while I agree that IV infinitely sucks more in comparison period, even ray charles could see IV came out with a better set up of stuff than V, but if you don’t see the difference, then I’m assuming presentation doesn’t matter to you as long as you enjoy barebones gameplay. (Which, even then, while better than IV, this game still has issues in at it’s V state.)

You’re always gonna have good and bad matchups, but it gets to become a BLARING issue where it becomes more about player matchup than player skill. Therein lies the problem and the reasoning behind why I ever even mentioned 3s in this in the first place other than besides the fact that it’s a part of the sf series. The parry system leveled the matchup playing field and made you able to really make it with any character as long as you had a good basis of how they worked in every matchup + what you could also gain and benefit from in the parry system.

I agree with your last statement of being better balanced and fundamentally better, but I disagree that it’s start off was better than IV and fundamentally a better game than 3s at this point unless the v meter system really becomes serious game changing shit.

The parry system did not level any matchups in 3s. It actually made the top 3, the top 3 period. Sometimes you could of thrown Makoto in there but on a rare occasion.
Hell the parry system made the top 3 even more powerful compared to the rest of the cast. You really dont understand what you are talking about here.

[vital]

Don’t get me wrong buds I want to like the game and for better or worse I’m continuing to grind it out in hopes that I’ll come around to it because I don’t want to lose the enjoyment of weekly locals etc

I think what Magus1234 made a remark about some players preferring the chaos of the new game while some prefer the game more when it’s “solved” and we know what really works rather than wonky day 1 stuff. I think I’m definitely in that latter camp so I’ll keep trying to see it through.

Today there were some exciting close matches for sure, but not for the same reasons as 3S or 4. When I watched Nando Mika vs Infiltration the crowd was going nuts but I look at that and think, it’s a true 50/50 vortex for Infiltration that he is caught in and his character has no options other than hold up or down back, rather than some godlike creative offense from the Mika.

Seeing FANG work was definitely the most exciting for me

[Digital]

yeah I cant seem to get into the game cause its too new. atm I’m playing extremely casually and watching tourneys pretty much… I wanted to play Chun-Li but sucks (too stupidly difficult BnBs and bad options) but now i’m not even gonna waste my time learning this character. Would’ve prefered if they had Rose int he game, gonna have to possibly wait 2-3 years just to play my main.

[javert]

As a stream monster, I have a love-hate relationship with this game. At one moment, it gives the impression that just watching a single match I have already saw everything that can and will happen in it and lose interest. Some minutes later, some close game pressure happens, players’ personal strategy and struggle are shown and hype is restored. This keeps going on. Anyone else feeling like this?

[evilj]

I find the struggle and pressure more interesting than what might happen.

One random match in this game is much more gratifying to me than some of the hype moments of SF iv like when infiltration beat PR balrog with hakan.

Gamerbee playing adon or Elena is boring as fuck.

Fei long is Boring as fuck.

I would rather watch two intermediate players in SF v than watch some match ups in SF 4 like top level Balrog vs chun li in SF iv lol…it’s all the same shit…fireball…focus attack backlash…repeat…balrog jumps, gets standing fierce…

[Kwyjibo]

As a stream monster, I have a love-hate relationship with this game. At one moment, it gives the impression that just watching a single match I have already saw everything that can and will happen in it and lose interest. Some minutes later, some close game pressure happens, players’ personal strategy and struggle are shown and hype is restored. This keeps going on. Anyone else feeling like this?

So you think you know everything that can happen, are proven wrong, and then go back to thinking you know everything that can happen?

Knock that shit off.

[E_C]

Are you accounting that the 60K(and 80K) at the finals are people who never bought SFV yet and will do so? Yeah no, I don’t really believe that because you have to also account for those that already have SFV and want to watch the tournies, casuals that are either on the fence or not or simply put, those who have no interest in buying the game yet want to get “hype” from a good match. From there, you have to figure out how many will choose to buy the game then and have actual proof that there’s a swing in sales and not simply people making new IDs

I’m not accounting for that in my original post, actually. That was a bit of a facetious post. It was more a reflection on the total sales of SFV rather than those watching already own the game. And believe me, after the NPD sales numbers came out, I’ve done a lot of research on current/historical sales/view figures for other FGs (several days worth) and personal theorizing (best and worst case) regarding how stream numbers would increase sales.

I’m not gonna do a brain-dump of all of that. All I will say is that if SFV was cheap to make and is cheap to maintain, and if that 2M was indeed complete nonsense, then incremental updates may sale for a nice little while, with stream numbers affecting that slightly

[Coyotegrey]

I’m not buying into it. Played a lot so far, but a month in and no fixes for intentional lagging, ragequit, and basically no balance patches? It’s 2016 and this shit shouldn’t happen for a major esports title. I’ve lost a lot of faith in Capcom. Meanwhile, Heroes of the Storm is getting weekly support from Blizzard and the devs are being transparent about changes and community feedback. Different genres, sure, but that’s irrelevant.

[Kwyjibo]

I’m not buying into it. Played a lot so far, but a month in and no fixes for intentional lagging, ragequit, and basically no balance patches?

What do you want balanced? There is no need to start messing with the game balance, aside from removing option selects(which is coming in the next patch).

[Coyotegrey]

I’m not buying into it. Played a lot so far, but a month in and no fixes for intentional lagging, ragequit, and basically no balance patches?

What do you want balanced? There is no need to start messing with the game balance, aside from removing option selects(which is coming in the next patch).

That is a great question, and I don’t have the answers. I’d like to see data on Capcom’s side related to winrates, matchups, and the effectiveness of abilities. They could then take this data and apply it to the title. It’s no different than the approach you see in mobas such as Heroes of the Storm. If a hero’s winrate is too high on their side, they take a hard look at reasons why and apply a fix…or don’t, as the data might not necessarily indicate issues in balance but rather in implementation. I’m just saying this kind of transparency would be great, as no game is perfectly balanced. Except Pong. Pong seems pretty balanced.

[KungFoo]

Capcom has made the assumption that if a game is tournament viable and competitive, it will bring casuals in. It brings legitimacy to street fighter being a high level and interesting enough game for people to devote their lives to. Hence they have tailored their marketing campaign to feature the fgc. That may have been a big mistake as you can see on Amazon and reviews, casuals don’t care about that, they care about arcade mode and costumes. Capcom probably should have known that tbh.

I agree they want casuals to become hardcore. It’s like a cigarette company, get people addicted and you have a customer for life. Mika and Laura are like crack to a fgc fiend.

They also made the assumption that everyone realises this is a new game and the content will be ramped up over the better part of a decade. You’re paying your $60 for that whole experience. In actuality no one actually makes a gaming decision like that. Not even many of the fgc. They assumed people wouldn’t compare to usf4. But they were playing that like 2 hours before putting this on. Lol.

[DevilJin_01]

As a stream monster, I have a love-hate relationship with this game. At one moment, it gives the impression that just watching a single match I have already saw everything that can and will happen in it and lose interest. Some minutes later, some close game pressure happens, players’ personal strategy and struggle are shown and hype is restored. This keeps going on. Anyone else feeling like this?

You haven’t played enough new games before if you feel this way. The base game was made to be more simple, but that doesn’t mean people won’t find stuff. The reads will still be there and combos will still be dropped and people will still find tech.

[Starslicer]

3S balance is terrible and its option selects are ridiculous. I love the game though.

This Starslicer guy just sounds like a hardcore 3S fanboy, judging from a lot of his posts. Seriously, just go play 3S already. It’s the only game that will make you happy. The game has better online play anyway.

The balance is terrible, but there’s nothing wrong with options select if you know what to do/how to get around it. And in 3S there’s a myriad of ways to get around shit and always something new that you never expected to see - even now. As far as a hardcore 3s fan - So? It’s a good game and even you admit to loving it, but 3S has shit that equalizes bringing player skill out to shine as opposed to people just strictly tier whoring. What made kuroda amazing is what we shamelessly see non-existent in shit like IV or at the very least rare. I won’t say V doesn’t show an amazing play of player skill, because it does, but there’s still issues with this game that need to be fixed. And acting like it isn’t is ignoring progress. (Even if it is just starting off and will get better later, the issues need to be addressed as progress moves along and there’s nothing wrong with that.)

And I still do play 3s, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to play V as well and enjoy it, so bringing out my love for 3s is kinda sidetracking when it’s obvious a series will always be compared to it’s predecessors to project it’s progress as a series.

As a stand-alone game, the game still has issues which I’ve already addressed, but we don’t need to go down this dead horse of a path again.

I love 3s as well but I know it has its issues too. You are still comparing gameplay to a evolved SF3 series games. I have yet to hear you speak about New Generation. SFV its in its first version, lets stop acting as if the game wont evolve. You gotta take off the 3s beer goggles, your comparisons just isnt fair. I love to watch RX play Urien in 3s. The things he could do were amazing. I really hope he jumps on SFV when Urien makes the roster.

I made references and fully noted that 3s is the third revised version of the street fighter 3 series, yet you fully (if you read my previous posts.) acknowledged this, yet omit the fact that I clearly stated IV was in a better state than V in Vanilla and still is a pretty bad game after 8 years of maturity.

So with that said, you’re cherry picking on that matter and completely ignoring that I’ve already openly stated my issues with V (And on V alone.) with how certain things in certain match ups are ridiculous with who can stuff what and how free they can get away with it. So there’s also me going into depth on that as well as how some characters have more ease and use of nice safe setups compared to others with little window and high risk of chance to seriously interrupt. So there’s that.

The game needs work. Lets fully acknowledge that.

I completely disagree with your statement that SFIV is in a better state than V in vanilla. SFV is better than SFIV right now period. SF4 will forever be bad but it was a needed evil to bring back fighters into the limelight again. I didnt see your post that you stated that you recognize that 3s was the 3rd revision of the series.

That could be applied to any fighting game, you are always going to have good and bad matchups. Some characters will always be easier to use than others so I dont see anything different when it comes to SFV vs other or past fighters. Sounds like a personal complaint to me.

SFV core mechanics doesnt need work, it needs expansion just like every other SF before it has gone through. Fundamentally its better than USF4 and its better balanced than 3s.

Well i disagree with that. IV had more content than V in vanilla and while I agree that IV infinitely sucks more in comparison period, even ray charles could see IV came out with a better set up of stuff than V, but if you don’t see the difference, then I’m assuming presentation doesn’t matter to you as long as you enjoy barebones gameplay. (Which, even then, while better than IV, this game still has issues in at it’s V state.)

You’re always gonna have good and bad matchups, but it gets to become a BLARING issue where it becomes more about player matchup than player skill. Therein lies the problem and the reasoning behind why I ever even mentioned 3s in this in the first place other than besides the fact that it’s a part of the sf series. The parry system leveled the matchup playing field and made you able to really make it with any character as long as you had a good basis of how they worked in every matchup + what you could also gain and benefit from in the parry system.

I agree with your last statement of being better balanced and fundamentally better, but I disagree that it’s start off was better than IV and fundamentally a better game than 3s at this point unless the v meter system really becomes serious game changing shit.

At this point I don’t know if you’ve ever seen a 3s match besides evo moment #37

If you want to get bodied in fightcade in a ft5, it’s your choice, but I see you still feel some type of way.

[Starslicer]

3S balance is terrible and its option selects are ridiculous. I love the game though.

This Starslicer guy just sounds like a hardcore 3S fanboy, judging from a lot of his posts. Seriously, just go play 3S already. It’s the only game that will make you happy. The game has better online play anyway.

The balance is terrible, but there’s nothing wrong with options select if you know what to do/how to get around it. And in 3S there’s a myriad of ways to get around shit and always something new that you never expected to see - even now. As far as a hardcore 3s fan - So? It’s a good game and even you admit to loving it, but 3S has shit that equalizes bringing player skill out to shine as opposed to people just strictly tier whoring. What made kuroda amazing is what we shamelessly see non-existent in shit like IV or at the very least rare. I won’t say V doesn’t show an amazing play of player skill, because it does, but there’s still issues with this game that need to be fixed. And acting like it isn’t is ignoring progress. (Even if it is just starting off and will get better later, the issues need to be addressed as progress moves along and there’s nothing wrong with that.)

And I still do play 3s, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to play V as well and enjoy it, so bringing out my love for 3s is kinda sidetracking when it’s obvious a series will always be compared to it’s predecessors to project it’s progress as a series.

As a stand-alone game, the game still has issues which I’ve already addressed, but we don’t need to go down this dead horse of a path again.

I love 3s as well but I know it has its issues too. You are still comparing gameplay to a evolved SF3 series games. I have yet to hear you speak about New Generation. SFV its in its first version, lets stop acting as if the game wont evolve. You gotta take off the 3s beer goggles, your comparisons just isnt fair. I love to watch RX play Urien in 3s. The things he could do were amazing. I really hope he jumps on SFV when Urien makes the roster.

I made references and fully noted that 3s is the third revised version of the street fighter 3 series, yet you fully (if you read my previous posts.) acknowledged this, yet omit the fact that I clearly stated IV was in a better state than V in Vanilla and still is a pretty bad game after 8 years of maturity.

So with that said, you’re cherry picking on that matter and completely ignoring that I’ve already openly stated my issues with V (And on V alone.) with how certain things in certain match ups are ridiculous with who can stuff what and how free they can get away with it. So there’s also me going into depth on that as well as how some characters have more ease and use of nice safe setups compared to others with little window and high risk of chance to seriously interrupt. So there’s that.

The game needs work. Lets fully acknowledge that.

I completely disagree with your statement that SFIV is in a better state than V in vanilla. SFV is better than SFIV right now period. SF4 will forever be bad but it was a needed evil to bring back fighters into the limelight again. I didnt see your post that you stated that you recognize that 3s was the 3rd revision of the series.

That could be applied to any fighting game, you are always going to have good and bad matchups. Some characters will always be easier to use than others so I dont see anything different when it comes to SFV vs other or past fighters. Sounds like a personal complaint to me.

SFV core mechanics doesnt need work, it needs expansion just like every other SF before it has gone through. Fundamentally its better than USF4 and its better balanced than 3s.

Well i disagree with that. IV had more content than V in vanilla and while I agree that IV infinitely sucks more in comparison period, even ray charles could see IV came out with a better set up of stuff than V, but if you don’t see the difference, then I’m assuming presentation doesn’t matter to you as long as you enjoy barebones gameplay. (Which, even then, while better than IV, this game still has issues in at it’s V state.)

You’re always gonna have good and bad matchups, but it gets to become a BLARING issue where it becomes more about player matchup than player skill. Therein lies the problem and the reasoning behind why I ever even mentioned 3s in this in the first place other than besides the fact that it’s a part of the sf series. The parry system leveled the matchup playing field and made you able to really make it with any character as long as you had a good basis of how they worked in every matchup + what you could also gain and benefit from in the parry system.

I agree with your last statement of being better balanced and fundamentally better, but I disagree that it’s start off was better than IV and fundamentally a better game than 3s at this point unless the v meter system really becomes serious game changing shit.

The parry system did not level any matchups in 3s. It actually made the top 3, the top 3 period. Sometimes you could of thrown Makoto in there but on a rare occasion.
Hell the parry system made the top 3 even more powerful compared to the rest of the cast. You really dont understand what you are talking about here.

Disagreed. Plenty of tourneys and gameplay out there from high level players that prove otherwise, but you focus too much on USA Ken, Chun and Yun players.

The top will always be the top in tier, but you saw more upsets in 3s than other SF games in my opinion. V is ruled out since it just came out and high level tourney play is still fresh.