Eh, SFV is too slow for me. Also the execution barrier is way easier than it should be. Still play it because overall it’s not a hard game to learn and if I can poach players for 3S and Mahvel then its worth it.
Sometimes it’s understandable to compare games of the same series when forming your opinions on the newest one/most recent one you’ve played, but if that seems to be the only thing forming your opinion, then it just gets annoying. Especially if a lot of people like a game, but you’re just crapping on it by comparing it to another one. In this case, it’s mostly people who crap on 4 and V. I’ve made it known that I very much don’t like V, but I still find it annoying when people just compare it to 4 or 3S or whatever and that’s their whole basis for not liking it. If you can’t form a concrete reason why you like/dislike a game without comparing it to another game at all (even if it’s in the same series), then you probably don’t have a very solid opinion at all.
Back on topic, with my hype for this game being almost completely gone, I’ve decided to actually drop SFV until the March update comes out. I know the gameplay won’t change much but the online will hopefully be decent by then and maybe Alex will resonate with me. Or maybe I just need time away from the game in general. Until then, I’m entered for MKX at Evo, so I might as well start practicing that finally. And playing old fighting games has been really fun the past couple weeks too. CvS2 and ST have been my current infatuations.
And when is that March update again? The end of March is not that far away and there’s still no release date for it.
Yet it took 8 years for IV to get where it was today and 3s came way before it.
Lets not jump the gun here on “how long it will take” for capcom to get it together, because capcom has done many a failure on anticipated games within it’s time. SF being one of the few struggling flagships they have left keeping it together. As far as more balanced, I’ll give you that and due to how the game mechanic is, it’s as it should. However, this game doesn’t have a grand equalizer like 3S (Parry system.) that can really make player skill shine in comparison. So there’s that. V meter may become such down the line with that and the reversals, but for right now the ruling is still out.
As far as the complaints, I doubt it. There are core mechanic issues in how certain characters are favored more in specific safe normal spam than others (In reference to the good read of the 5 frame discussion.) and the online play being a huge hit or miss with finding LAGGY players in 4/5 bars, rage quitters, battle lounges not for their two people rooms, but for simply not working or showing incorrect rank titles/no names/not always connecting/showing old deleted or full rooms/etc.
I hardly find those as real superficial complaints for a game that came out at 60 dollars and barebones, with the bones still being pretty brittle. I’d expect what we had now would’ve been a beta to be honest. And i’m still kinda surprised we’re 20 days into march with no first update, but nickle and diming is something capcom loves to do and finding out the update comes at the end of march would be no big surprise to me.
Dude, that avatar and signature is great. I thought I was the only person that realized that we are entering Dark Age #2 with the SFV fiasco. But at least all the fighting games will be playable online with good netcode, so no driving to the nearest arcade 2 hours away
The balance is terrible, but there’s nothing wrong with options select if you know what to do/how to get around it. And in 3S there’s a myriad of ways to get around shit and always something new that you never expected to see - even now. As far as a hardcore 3s fan - So? It’s a good game and even you admit to loving it, but 3S has shit that equalizes bringing player skill out to shine as opposed to people just strictly tier whoring. What made kuroda amazing is what we shamelessly see non-existent in shit like IV or at the very least rare. I won’t say V doesn’t show an amazing play of player skill, because it does, but there’s still issues with this game that need to be fixed. And acting like it isn’t is ignoring progress. (Even if it is just starting off and will get better later, the issues need to be addressed as progress moves along and there’s nothing wrong with that.)
And I still do play 3s, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to play V as well and enjoy it, so bringing out my love for 3s is kinda sidetracking when it’s obvious a series will always be compared to it’s predecessors to project it’s progress as a series.
As a stand-alone game, the game still has issues which I’ve already addressed, but we don’t need to go down this dead horse of a path again.
Graphic style, superficial.
Fighting system, has more input lag than any fighting game currently on the market. Offline is almost 10 frame lag, online more still. So this is subjective at best, from a pragmatic standpoint it’s got less options for the player compared to it’s predecessor and more lag, this is no way a win for ‘fighting system’.
Core mechanic? what does this even mean.
You have a non-argument that boils down to ‘I like the game’. You are trying to make some sort of impartial list of ‘pros’ when clearly all you have is personal bias.
The complaints aren’t superficial by any stretch of the imagination, I don’t mean to be a jerk, but either you don’t understand what the word means or you are purposefully misusing it in an attempt to avoid having to accept the glaring failure that is this game on every level.
From a practical standpoint it is inferior to almost every other FG on the market. Input lag, content, online lag, ranking system, character versatility (options in block stun or applying pressure or after a hit confirm). Everything it has done has been done better by other FG’s past and present. I realise some of these issues can be addressed in the future, but that doesn’t change what it is now, an inferior product and an inferior FG.
There was plenty of that kind of stuff just yesterday at Final Round. That’s basically footsies into some basic combo. I am not that good and I had a friend playing Ryu in SFIV not that good too and he would puill off that tatsu xx super combo easy. The impressive part is the footsies, and there was a shitton of that yesterday. There was this guy who stood just outside of Karin sweep and walked all the way to throw her for example, pretty sick.
The day before that it was Tokido destroying a full US team by himself with Ryu.
Only thing that bothers me in V is that Ken seems kinda ass judging by the amount of Ken’s I’ve seen yesterday at final round.
I love 3s as well but I know it has its issues too. You are still comparing gameplay to a evolved SF3 series games. I have yet to hear you speak about New Generation. SFV its in its first version, lets stop acting as if the game wont evolve. You gotta take off the 3s beer goggles, your comparisons just isnt fair. I love to watch RX play Urien in 3s. The things he could do were amazing. I really hope he jumps on SFV when Urien makes the roster.
Ironically it’s more like a bizarro dark age where it’s much easier to find local people to play and tourney turnouts are tremendous. The only similarity is casuals not giving a fuck.
Graphical and animation style isnt superficial, its the first thing you see that separates SFV from its predecessor.
Learn something.
If you dont know what core mecahics mean then you need to go to http://forums.shoryuken.com/categories/newbie-saikyo-dojo and ask. Or you can just google it. Im not going to get into it since its something you should already understand if you are posting here. Looking at your join date, you should be spending more time over there.
They all are superficial for the simple fact that these complaints wont be in due time. I already stated that they dropped the ball on a few things. When it comes to the FGC we play fighters for years. Ive been playing SF3 since 97. Thats probably something you cant comprehend and why all these complaints you guys are coming up with are superficial. To say everything was done better by past and present fighters which includes SF4 really says you dont understand shit. lol
I made references and fully noted that 3s is the third revised version of the street fighter 3 series, yet you fully (if you read my previous posts.) acknowledged this, yet omit the fact that I clearly stated IV was in a better state than V in Vanilla and still is a pretty bad game after 8 years of maturity.
So with that said, you’re cherry picking on that matter and completely ignoring that I’ve already openly stated my issues with V (And on V alone.) with how certain things in certain match ups are ridiculous with who can stuff what and how free they can get away with it. So there’s also me going into depth on that as well as how some characters have more ease and use of nice safe setups compared to others with little window and high risk of chance to seriously interrupt. So there’s that.
I completely disagree with your statement that SFIV is in a better state than V in vanilla. SFV is better than SFIV right now period. SF4 will forever be bad but it was a needed evil to bring back fighters into the limelight again. I didnt see your post that you stated that you recognize that 3s was the 3rd revision of the series.
That could be applied to any fighting game, you are always going to have good and bad matchups. Some characters will always be easier to use than others so I dont see anything different when it comes to SFV vs other or past fighters. Sounds like a personal complaint to me.
SFV core mechanics doesnt need work, it needs expansion just like every other SF before it has gone through. Fundamentally its better than USF4 and its better balanced than 3s.
Graphical style, not graphics in the sense you are thinking given the nature of your posted video. Whether you like the style is entirely subjective.
And I know exactly what the definition of core mechanics is, what I was questioning was how on earth SF5 core mechanics are considered a ‘pro’ as it’s entirely subjective as to whether you enjoy them.
Also, you don’t know what superfluous means, the longevity of the status quo doesn’t make something superficial or not.
Something I “cant comprehend”, “you guys” , and speaking as the collective ‘we’ now. I had know idea you could speak for the FGC, and that you could gauge my comprehension levels/ability.
You assume that because you have played 3rdstrike since 97 your opinion is more valid ,or that anyone who joined the FGC after you is somehow your lesser.
I generally don’t like to get sucked into ad hominem retorts on the internet, but this post and your respone towards others opinions/criticisms, you are an elitist, pretentious, exclusive, idiot. You are the most hated type of person in the FGC, your attitude is just completely toxic.
Incidently I have been playing FG’s since before 97, it doesn’t add weight or validity to anything that I say. My thoughts, complaints, ideas should be taken for what they are.
I see now you are moving the goal post, sorry bro but it doesnt work like that. No one is talking about personal preference here when it comes to graphical engine. So please watch who you calling an idiot when you cant even follow a simple sentence.
You are the one that stated that you didnt know what core-mechanics are, stop trying to be a online hipster and actually say what you mean. I didnt assume anything, I am talking about my
personal experience and how I view things. I really couldnt careless when you started to play fighting games. The content of your post says otherwise.
I see that I got under your skin, sorry that the truth hurts but it is what it is. You can complaint all you want, dont get angry when someone calls them superficial cause they are. In months time all these complaints wont even exist. Im far from toxic, Im the type of gamer that fighters need cause Ill be around even if the fighter craze dies away or not.
Capcom would trade you for 100 casual sales in an absolute instant. We need to stop pretending like we’re the target demographic. We ain’t…and we shouldn’t be