Any vegans or veggies here?

[axi]

People who can’t envision how it’s possible to have great meals w/o meat:
Go to your local bookstore, order a copy of “Yotam Ottolenghi - Plenty”. You won’t regret it.
Some freebies: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/series/thenewvegetarian
Godlike stuff.

Simple veggie over here, no meat/flesh of any kind. :v

Indeed, whats interesting is people say they would miss meat as though their preference isn’t physically derived. Certainly psychology does have a part, but the desire for specific food is basically constantly being reprogrammed. After a year being vegan meat began to stink, now it can actually make me almost nauseous depending on how its being cooked. I remember listening to a lecture (academic, some university in North Dakota I believe) where the professor was speaking about how “cravings” readjust rapidly to match what is available around you and that after zed time the body will no longer physically identify something as a viable food source so long as nutritional requirements are being met. This can explain why a healthy vegan doesn’t tend to crave meat, because their iron, creatine, or w/e is in check. That is obvious of course, but the cool part is that the body basically re-learns its surroundings and appropriates vegan dietary regiments to its craving mechanic (and will lose the prior). This was cool to hear because it explained why the craving meat argument has never been true for me or any other healthy vegan.

One crazy part of the lecture was talking about how casomorphine(natural morphine to sedate nursing calves) leads to mild addiction in humans, and is one reason why pizza is something that is craved physically whereas things like whey (processed and no longer containing casomorphine) are not. If I recall the exact lecture I’ll try to track it down.

[Moonchilde]

That’s the reason why a lot of vegans/vegetarians stop eating meat if they’re doing it for animal welfare reasons. It isn’t so much about not wanting to take an animal’s life as it is not wanting to support corporations that fuck up animals so badly.

that reasoning should lead then to a major life change because you are pretty much going against “american/capitalist” standards. Cutting costs in big factories impact the working conditions, it happens in food industry, in sweat shops for big clothing brands, in the phone you are using. So giving up something to make a point while still supporting the idea in many other aspects of your life seems kinda dumb to me. That being said, I live in Canada and I know the animals here are treated waaay better than in america BUT the costs are also waay higher. Sure, I know that we really shouldn’t be eating animal protein 7 days a week but still, I think there could be a compromise on competitive market price and “ethic” conditions for animal treatment.

It’s just the “poor animals get badly treated”-while kids-suffer-making-your-Nike-shoes-and-IPads-for-cents-an-hour that gets me on my nerves.

(I do acknowledge the healthier lifestyle though)

Actually, it does lead to a major life change. It’s also not to simply make a point. It’s something you do because you feel it’s right. Look, animals don’t have a choice in this whether or not they’re butchered by the !millions! which is frankly disgusting. Sure, people in 3rd world countries are used for cheap labor, but at least they have a choice. They can get paid, and make their lives a little better for their families through self sacrifice working hard conditions, or not get paid, and probably live even worse conditions than not working their asses off. At least they have a choice, even if it’s a shitty one. Buying stuff that isn’t made in another nation by cheap labor is pretty much impossible in today’s world. What is possible in today’s world though, is not eating meat and supporting a disgusting underground black world that civilization refuses to acknowledge is in existence for a luxury.

Look, I don’t agree with mass slaughter of life so fat fucks can have a shitty McDonald’s fuck face low ass tier burger, which sell by the millions year after year. I don’t agree with mass slaughter so that people can make themselves unhealthy in the name of convenience. You know how many people probably think about where their food comes from? Not a lot. How many people see meat in store aisles that actually resembles meat? How about deli meats? No, those are packaged and compressed into nice round or square packages and get sliced (imagine if this was human meat) to be put on a sandwich. No one gives a fuck because it doesn’t look like an animal. How about other packaged meats? Not really looking like an animal right? Ok some have bones but we’re conditioned to think they’re useful handles. I’ve seen people shy away from packages that look more like the animal it comes from, like a whole skinned rabbit with its head cut off because omg poor rabbit.

How about how even though animals get slaughtered by the millions that much of it goes to waste? You know how many people order a steak not understanding the difference between well done and medium and get angry it wasn’t cooked “right” and then sends it back to be thrown away? Or how about how many people order more food than they are hungry for and then don’t take it home for later? How about in grocery stores that sell pre-cooked and packaged rotisserie chickens? Do you have any idea how many gets thrown away at the end of the night? They can only be on a shelf for about 3 hours before they start to dry and become unappealing for sale. Guess where those go when people don’t buy them? Trash. Just one store that I worked at threw away about 30 or so a day. 363 days a year. One in a town that had 20 other stores. One town out of thousands nationwide. Do the math, and realize how much gets thrown away. So much fucking life wasted, it’s absolutely disgusting. All for what? For a pretty package on a shelf for people to ignore or for a “nice” smell in the air of the store. This isn’t even taking into account all the unsold out of date meat.

I can’t justify killing for luxury, of any kind of life. It’s a horrible thing to waste, especially if you consider the possibility that there is no new age reincarnation or heaven like afterlife. If everything only has their existence and single life, then it’s an even more tragic happening. All for some dick face’s luxury who doesn’t deserve it.

Humans are no longer part of the natural cycle of life of predator and prey. They’ve long broken that with farming and no longer rely on it for survival. We don’t need meat, and certainly not in the quantities people consume it. If one day, civilization collapsed and hunting was a necessity for survival, ok, I can get on board with that because you’re putting yourself at risk for food like every other natural creature in the cycle of life. But for all the drive thru car seat hunters, they can get fucked.

Bottom line is, it’s disgusting.

[axi]

American soy contains questionable compounds, namely a high phytoestrogen count. Everyone I know that cut soy saw marked health improvements, including myself. Soy and Corn in the USA are also GMOs, brought to you by the same folks that did agent orange (Monsanto). I’m not against GMOs entirely, but am entirely against eating anything tied to Monsanto.

I hate to say it but I have to really disagree with this. The whole agent orange shit is really blown out of proportion. Tons of food has “dangerous” chemicals have. Apples have cyanide for example. Salt has sodium. It’s not the chemicals themselves but how they’re combined that makes them dangerous. Agent Orange is dangerous because of the chemical composition and combination. IMO it seems like you’re reading too many anti-GMO scare websites or news feeds, this is a common fear spread through these, and they’re very anti-science.

Also, fuck trolls clicking wtf on vegan stuff. I also don’t get why in a vegan thread people are all like “omg look at all this delicious and appetizing meat pictures I’m posting!!” Sorry, we don’t really care, and why are you posting here? Do you like it when you talk about eating meat that you enjoy and a vegan walks up and be all like “yo, you should check out all this compassionate and non-murderous food I’m eating, LOOK!”

Thats the beauty of the free market, every GMO I avoid is more for you. But i’ll stick with my paranoia if thats what it is, I do read deeply into things and form my conclusions accordingly. I consider GMOs produced by Monsanto, Cisco, etc a threat so I will avoid them and will not advise them, but each their own.

[axi]

That’s the reason why a lot of vegans/vegetarians stop eating meat if they’re doing it for animal welfare reasons. It isn’t so much about not wanting to take an animal’s life as it is not wanting to support corporations that fuck up animals so badly.

that reasoning should lead then to a major life change because you are pretty much going against “american/capitalist” standards. Cutting costs in big factories impact the working conditions, it happens in food industry, in sweat shops for big clothing brands, in the phone you are using. So giving up something to make a point while still supporting the idea in many other aspects of your life seems kinda dumb to me. That being said, I live in Canada and I know the animals here are treated waaay better than in america BUT the costs are also waay higher. Sure, I know that we really shouldn’t be eating animal protein 7 days a week but still, I think there could be a compromise on competitive market price and “ethic” conditions for animal treatment.

It’s just the “poor animals get badly treated”-while kids-suffer-making-your-Nike-shoes-and-IPads-for-cents-an-hour that gets me on my nerves.

(I do acknowledge the healthier lifestyle though)

[details=Spoiler]Actually, it does lead to a major life change. It’s also not to simply make a point. It’s something you do because you feel it’s right. Look, animals don’t have a choice in this whether or not they’re butchered by the !millions! which is frankly disgusting. Sure, people in 3rd world countries are used for cheap labor, but at least they have a choice. They can get paid, and make their lives a little better for their families through self sacrifice working hard conditions, or not get paid, and probably live even worse conditions than not working their asses off. At least they have a choice, even if it’s a shitty one. Buying stuff that isn’t made in another nation by cheap labor is pretty much impossible in today’s world. What is possible in today’s world though, is not eating meat and supporting a disgusting underground black world that civilization refuses to acknowledge is in existence for a luxury.

Look, I don’t agree with mass slaughter of life so fat fucks can have a shitty McDonald’s fuck face low ass tier burger, which sell by the millions year after year. I don’t agree with mass slaughter so that people can make themselves unhealthy in the name of convenience. You know how many people probably think about where their food comes from? Not a lot. How many people see meat in store aisles that actually resembles meat? How about deli meats? No, those are packaged and compressed into nice round or square packages and get sliced (imagine if this was human meat) to be put on a sandwich. No one gives a fuck because it doesn’t look like an animal. How about other packaged meats? Not really looking like an animal right? Ok some have bones but we’re conditioned to think they’re useful handles. I’ve seen people shy away from packages that look more like the animal it comes from, like a whole skinned rabbit with its head cut off because omg poor rabbit.

How about how even though animals get slaughtered by the millions that much of it goes to waste? You know how many people order a steak not understanding the difference between well done and medium and get angry it wasn’t cooked “right” and then sends it back to be thrown away? Or how about how many people order more food than they are hungry for and then don’t take it home for later? How about in grocery stores that sell pre-cooked and packaged rotisserie chickens? Do you have any idea how many gets thrown away at the end of the night? They can only be on a shelf for about 3 hours before they start to dry and become unappealing for sale. Guess where those go when people don’t buy them? Trash. Just one store that I worked at threw away about 30 or so a day. 363 days a year. One in a town that had 20 other stores. One town out of thousands nationwide. Do the math, and realize how much gets thrown away. So much fucking life wasted, it’s absolutely disgusting. All for what? For a pretty package on a shelf for people to ignore or for a “nice” smell in the air of the store. This isn’t even taking into account all the unsold out of date meat.

I can’t justify killing for luxury, of any kind of life. It’s a horrible thing to waste, especially if you consider the possibility that there is no new age reincarnation or heaven like afterlife. If everything only has their existence and single life, then it’s an even more tragic happening. All for some dick face’s luxury who doesn’t deserve it.

Humans are no longer part of the natural cycle of life of predator and prey. They’ve long broken that with farming and no longer rely on it for survival. We don’t need meat, and certainly not in the quantities people consume it. If one day, civilization collapsed and hunting was a necessity for survival, ok, I can get on board with that because you’re putting yourself at risk for food like every other natural creature in the cycle of life. But for all the drive thru car seat hunters, they can get fucked.

Bottom line is, it’s disgusting.[/details]

Epic rant yo. nailed it.

Killing for luxury (or religion, or ego, or entertainment, tradition, etc) is precisely what it is, all a lifestyle choice with no objective evidence that it is more beneficial healthwise. I still hear “but we ate meat as nomads” as an actual argument, I kid you not. The appeal to tradition and appeal to nature are like 50% of what I hear against veganism (even at a forensic speech competition lol). Rarely are there independent peer reviewed studies provided despite them being required as veganism boils down a falsifiable biochem argument that a human can live from plant compounds alone and thrive. And indeed, if it can be shown that vegans are in fact at any unique risk due to diet I will go back to eating meat as is the terms of my experiment with veganism. B12 is about the most technical argument anti-vegan debaters tend to offer me, its cute but fails hard as vegans make up a fringe minority and yet B12 deficiency is a regularly treated illness among the greater population (of mostly non-vegans). I even hear about the mystery vitamins I’m lacking, something esoteric that doesn’t exist in any of the nutritional software I’ve tried.

Mad props for ur rant man, I didn’t want to touch on the logistics of cruelty-driven markets cause you already did a great job.

[Moonchilde]

I hear the same arguments all the time. Oh, we evolved because of meat, or, it’s natural to eat meat because life requires life to live. I used the same arguments myself, until one day I started doing the math of all the waste around me and saw how awful mass meat production is. I couldn’t look at my food the same, and slowly eased into a vegan life style starting off part time vegan which was basically all vegan at home, and ate whatever was on the menu when I went out with friends.

Even if we evolved because of a meat diet, it certainly wasn’t in the manner we eat meat today. Today, people probably have meat for every meal of the day. Even a hundred years ago it wasn’t common to eat as much meat as we do today, let alone thousands of years ago when you had to hunt and make the best of what you killed. There was no storage for meat once upon a time ago, and humans didn’t get a kill every day. There was a lot of gathering of other food and eventually growing as well.

As for how natural it is to eat meat, well, there are creatures out there called herbivores and they do just fine, just as there are carnivores as well as omnivores. And yes, it’s impossible to not kill something for food (I’ve heard the argument that we have to kill plants) as everything that fully sustains us includes some type of living organism but we don’t have to do things the way we do today. Plants grow fast, are easily sustainable, and don’t go through the torture animals go through for our luxury of living and eating.

I’ve head the vitamin deficiency argument, too. A quick google search already shows the fault in that argument since meat is not a requirement for B12 and is produced via bacteria. I’d also argue that with the way most of us in North America eat today, that we’re deficient of many nutrients we supposedly need, vegan or not. For those who eat McDonalds 3x (more like 6x) a day because they “don’t have time to cook” I’m sure are getting all the nutrition they need, right? We also have an incredible will to survive, and you can see human survival in places where they don’t have access to all the nice vitamin varieties we’re supposed to have. Might not be ideal, but you can see the extent of how much shit the human body can go through and live without all the fancy stuff we have in the developed world.

Also, wild caught species such as fish are dangerously low year after year as more and more people consume it. Not only do we come close to causing harm to our ecosystem in trying to meet a growing market demand but we continue to expand and expand on these markets. A very important question one needs to ask their self is, since we can barely meet the demand our animal industry and nearly fish species out of existence in the current state of the world, what happens when the rest of the world starts living just like the USA and other developed nations? What then when the rest of humanity demands to eat the same way we do and live luxurious lifestyles? How on earth can we meet that kind of demand? Imagine all the life that would have to die for that.

Check it out. Wild caught fish as an example, can’t meet the demand in the seafood industry. So eventually, they made aquaculture to farm fish. Now, demand for other species is growing, such as lobsters, and they’re developing ways to farm those and other species like tuna (currently not successful, yet…) It should be a wake up call that our current ecosystem can’t sustain our demand for such luxurious things as dead fish and dead animals on our plates. I ask again, what happens when the rest of the world is on par with us? It’s unfathomable.

Something needs to change. If not for ethics and morality, than at the very least, sustainability. We can’t keep going on like this.

[Moonchilde]

I can’t believe I’m actually getting wtf’d for this, lol. You guys suck.

[Wasted]

I hear the same arguments all the time. Oh, we evolved because of meat, or, it’s natural to eat meat because life requires life to live. I used the same arguments myself, until one day I started doing the math of all the waste around me and saw how awful mass meat production is. I couldn’t look at my food the same, and slowly eased into a vegan life style starting off part time vegan which was basically all vegan at home, and ate whatever was on the menu when I went out with friends.

In other words, you chickened out and couldn’t accept reality.

Even if we evolved because of a meat diet, it certainly wasn’t in the manner we eat meat today. Today, people probably have meat for every meal of the day. Even a hundred years ago it wasn’t common to eat as much meat as we do today, let alone thousands of years ago when you had to hunt and make the best of what you killed. There was no storage for meat once upon a time ago, and humans didn’t get a kill every day. There was a lot of gathering of other food and eventually growing as well.

We cured and preserved meat when we couldn’t store it. That’s how bacon’s made, btw.

As for how natural it is to eat meat, well, there are creatures out there called herbivores and they do just fine, just as there are carnivores as well as omnivores. And yes, it’s impossible to not kill something for food (I’ve heard the argument that we have to kill plants) as everything that fully sustains us includes some type of living organism but we don’t have to do things the way we do today. Plants grow fast, are easily sustainable, and don’t go through the torture animals go through for our luxury of living and eating.

Humans are not herbivores. Humans are omnivores. Life exists to die, animals exist to be consumed by others.

I’ve head the vitamin deficiency argument, too. A quick google search already shows the fault in that argument since meat is not a requirement for B12 and is produced via bacteria. I’d also argue that with the way most of us in North America eat today, that we’re deficient of many nutrients we supposedly need, vegan or not. For those who eat McDonalds 3x (more like 6x) a day because they “don’t have time to cook” I’m sure are getting all the nutrition they need, right? We also have an incredible will to survive, and you can see human survival in places where they don’t have access to all the nice vitamin varieties we’re supposed to have. Might not be ideal, but you can see the extent of how much shit the human body can go through and live without all the fancy stuff we have in the developed world.

Don’t compare the McDonalds diet to a balanced diet. Those primitive people eat meat, btw.

Also, wild caught species such as fish are dangerously low year after year as more and more people consume it. Not only do we come close to causing harm to our ecosystem in trying to meet a growing market demand but we continue to expand and expand on these markets. A very important question one needs to ask their self is, since we can barely meet the demand our animal industry and nearly fish species out of existence in the current state of the world, what happens when the rest of the world starts living just like the USA and other developed nations? What then when the rest of humanity demands to eat the same way we do and live luxurious lifestyles? How on earth can we meet that kind of demand? Imagine all the life that would have to die for that.

Rationing, that’s what.

Check it out. Wild caught fish as an example, can’t meet the demand in the seafood industry. So eventually, they made aquaculture to farm fish. Now, demand for other species is growing, such as lobsters, and they’re developing ways to farm those and other species like tuna (currently not successful, yet…) It should be a wake up call that our current ecosystem can’t sustain our demand for such luxurious things as dead fish and dead animals on our plates. I ask again, what happens when the rest of the world is on par with us? It’s unfathomable.

The rest of the world is much bigger than the USA, and we deal just fine right now.

Something needs to change. If not for ethics and morality, than at the very least, sustainability. We can’t keep going on like this.

We can, and are.

[chadouken]

707 thread version 4.0

…Please no preachy vegan discussion here, just wanna know if there’s any of you out there and how long/why/etc…

That’s the reason why a lot of vegans/vegetarians stop eating meat if they’re doing it for animal welfare reasons. It isn’t so much about not wanting to take an animal’s life as it is not wanting to support corporations that fuck up animals so badly.

that reasoning should lead then to a major life change because you are pretty much going against “american/capitalist” standards. Cutting costs in big factories impact the working conditions, it happens in food industry, in sweat shops for big clothing brands, in the phone you are using. So giving up something to make a point while still supporting the idea in many other aspects of your life seems kinda dumb to me. That being said, I live in Canada and I know the animals here are treated waaay better than in america BUT the costs are also waay higher. Sure, I know that we really shouldn’t be eating animal protein 7 days a week but still, I think there could be a compromise on competitive market price and “ethic” conditions for animal treatment.

It’s just the “poor animals get badly treated”-while kids-suffer-making-your-Nike-shoes-and-IPads-for-cents-an-hour that gets me on my nerves.

(I do acknowledge the healthier lifestyle though)

[details=Spoiler]Actually, it does lead to a major life change. It’s also not to simply make a point. It’s something you do because you feel it’s right. Look, animals don’t have a choice in this whether or not they’re butchered by the !millions! which is frankly disgusting. Sure, people in 3rd world countries are used for cheap labor, but at least they have a choice. They can get paid, and make their lives a little better for their families through self sacrifice working hard conditions, or not get paid, and probably live even worse conditions than not working their asses off. At least they have a choice, even if it’s a shitty one. Buying stuff that isn’t made in another nation by cheap labor is pretty much impossible in today’s world. What is possible in today’s world though, is not eating meat and supporting a disgusting underground black world that civilization refuses to acknowledge is in existence for a luxury.

Look, I don’t agree with mass slaughter of life so fat fucks can have a shitty McDonald’s fuck face low ass tier burger, which sell by the millions year after year. I don’t agree with mass slaughter so that people can make themselves unhealthy in the name of convenience. You know how many people probably think about where their food comes from? Not a lot. How many people see meat in store aisles that actually resembles meat? How about deli meats? No, those are packaged and compressed into nice round or square packages and get sliced (imagine if this was human meat) to be put on a sandwich. No one gives a fuck because it doesn’t look like an animal. How about other packaged meats? Not really looking like an animal right? Ok some have bones but we’re conditioned to think they’re useful handles. I’ve seen people shy away from packages that look more like the animal it comes from, like a whole skinned rabbit with its head cut off because omg poor rabbit.

How about how even though animals get slaughtered by the millions that much of it goes to waste? You know how many people order a steak not understanding the difference between well done and medium and get angry it wasn’t cooked “right” and then sends it back to be thrown away? Or how about how many people order more food than they are hungry for and then don’t take it home for later? How about in grocery stores that sell pre-cooked and packaged rotisserie chickens? Do you have any idea how many gets thrown away at the end of the night? They can only be on a shelf for about 3 hours before they start to dry and become unappealing for sale. Guess where those go when people don’t buy them? Trash. Just one store that I worked at threw away about 30 or so a day. 363 days a year. One in a town that had 20 other stores. One town out of thousands nationwide. Do the math, and realize how much gets thrown away. So much fucking life wasted, it’s absolutely disgusting. All for what? For a pretty package on a shelf for people to ignore or for a “nice” smell in the air of the store. This isn’t even taking into account all the unsold out of date meat.

I can’t justify killing for luxury, of any kind of life. It’s a horrible thing to waste, especially if you consider the possibility that there is no new age reincarnation or heaven like afterlife. If everything only has their existence and single life, then it’s an even more tragic happening. All for some dick face’s luxury who doesn’t deserve it.

Humans are no longer part of the natural cycle of life of predator and prey. They’ve long broken that with farming and no longer rely on it for survival. We don’t need meat, and certainly not in the quantities people consume it. If one day, civilization collapsed and hunting was a necessity for survival, ok, I can get on board with that because you’re putting yourself at risk for food like every other natural creature in the cycle of life. But for all the drive thru car seat hunters, they can get fucked.

Bottom line is, it’s disgusting.[/details]

Epic rant yo. nailed it.

Killing for luxury (or religion, or ego, or entertainment, tradition, etc) is precisely what it is, all a lifestyle choice with no objective evidence that it is more beneficial healthwise. I still hear “but we ate meat as nomads” as an actual argument, I kid you not. The appeal to tradition and appeal to nature are like 50% of what I hear against veganism (even at a forensic speech competition lol). Rarely are there independent peer reviewed studies provided despite them being required as veganism boils down a falsifiable biochem argument that a human can live from plant compounds alone and thrive. And indeed, if it can be shown that vegans are in fact at any unique risk due to diet I will go back to eating meat as is the terms of my experiment with veganism. B12 is about the most technical argument anti-vegan debaters tend to offer me, its cute but fails hard as vegans make up a fringe minority and yet B12 deficiency is a regularly treated illness among the greater population (of mostly non-vegans). I even hear about the mystery vitamins I’m lacking, something esoteric that doesn’t exist in any of the nutritional software I’ve tried.

Mad props for ur rant man, I didn’t want to touch on the logistics of cruelty-driven markets cause you already did a great job.

I’m glad you put the disclaimer about not turning this thread into a peachy vegan discussion. Bullshit. You knew exactly what you wanted this thread to be, as proven by your own posts. A fucking soapbox for vegans. You know what? My food shits on your food.

How many vegans does it take to change a lightbulb?

Spoiler

Two. One to change the bulb, the other to check the packaging for animal-based ingredients in a fucking lightbulb.

[axi]

707 thread version 4.0

…Please no preachy vegan discussion here, just wanna know if there’s any of you out there and how long/why/etc…

That’s the reason why a lot of vegans/vegetarians stop eating meat if they’re doing it for animal welfare reasons. It isn’t so much about not wanting to take an animal’s life as it is not wanting to support corporations that fuck up animals so badly.

that reasoning should lead then to a major life change because you are pretty much going against “american/capitalist” standards. Cutting costs in big factories impact the working conditions, it happens in food industry, in sweat shops for big clothing brands, in the phone you are using. So giving up something to make a point while still supporting the idea in many other aspects of your life seems kinda dumb to me. That being said, I live in Canada and I know the animals here are treated waaay better than in america BUT the costs are also waay higher. Sure, I know that we really shouldn’t be eating animal protein 7 days a week but still, I think there could be a compromise on competitive market price and “ethic” conditions for animal treatment.

It’s just the “poor animals get badly treated”-while kids-suffer-making-your-Nike-shoes-and-IPads-for-cents-an-hour that gets me on my nerves.

(I do acknowledge the healthier lifestyle though)

[details=Spoiler]Actually, it does lead to a major life change. It’s also not to simply make a point. It’s something you do because you feel it’s right. Look, animals don’t have a choice in this whether or not they’re butchered by the !millions! which is frankly disgusting. Sure, people in 3rd world countries are used for cheap labor, but at least they have a choice. They can get paid, and make their lives a little better for their families through self sacrifice working hard conditions, or not get paid, and probably live even worse conditions than not working their asses off. At least they have a choice, even if it’s a shitty one. Buying stuff that isn’t made in another nation by cheap labor is pretty much impossible in today’s world. What is possible in today’s world though, is not eating meat and supporting a disgusting underground black world that civilization refuses to acknowledge is in existence for a luxury.

Look, I don’t agree with mass slaughter of life so fat fucks can have a shitty McDonald’s fuck face low ass tier burger, which sell by the millions year after year. I don’t agree with mass slaughter so that people can make themselves unhealthy in the name of convenience. You know how many people probably think about where their food comes from? Not a lot. How many people see meat in store aisles that actually resembles meat? How about deli meats? No, those are packaged and compressed into nice round or square packages and get sliced (imagine if this was human meat) to be put on a sandwich. No one gives a fuck because it doesn’t look like an animal. How about other packaged meats? Not really looking like an animal right? Ok some have bones but we’re conditioned to think they’re useful handles. I’ve seen people shy away from packages that look more like the animal it comes from, like a whole skinned rabbit with its head cut off because omg poor rabbit.

How about how even though animals get slaughtered by the millions that much of it goes to waste? You know how many people order a steak not understanding the difference between well done and medium and get angry it wasn’t cooked “right” and then sends it back to be thrown away? Or how about how many people order more food than they are hungry for and then don’t take it home for later? How about in grocery stores that sell pre-cooked and packaged rotisserie chickens? Do you have any idea how many gets thrown away at the end of the night? They can only be on a shelf for about 3 hours before they start to dry and become unappealing for sale. Guess where those go when people don’t buy them? Trash. Just one store that I worked at threw away about 30 or so a day. 363 days a year. One in a town that had 20 other stores. One town out of thousands nationwide. Do the math, and realize how much gets thrown away. So much fucking life wasted, it’s absolutely disgusting. All for what? For a pretty package on a shelf for people to ignore or for a “nice” smell in the air of the store. This isn’t even taking into account all the unsold out of date meat.

I can’t justify killing for luxury, of any kind of life. It’s a horrible thing to waste, especially if you consider the possibility that there is no new age reincarnation or heaven like afterlife. If everything only has their existence and single life, then it’s an even more tragic happening. All for some dick face’s luxury who doesn’t deserve it.

Humans are no longer part of the natural cycle of life of predator and prey. They’ve long broken that with farming and no longer rely on it for survival. We don’t need meat, and certainly not in the quantities people consume it. If one day, civilization collapsed and hunting was a necessity for survival, ok, I can get on board with that because you’re putting yourself at risk for food like every other natural creature in the cycle of life. But for all the drive thru car seat hunters, they can get fucked.

Bottom line is, it’s disgusting.[/details]

Epic rant yo. nailed it.

Killing for luxury (or religion, or ego, or entertainment, tradition, etc) is precisely what it is, all a lifestyle choice with no objective evidence that it is more beneficial healthwise. I still hear “but we ate meat as nomads” as an actual argument, I kid you not. The appeal to tradition and appeal to nature are like 50% of what I hear against veganism (even at a forensic speech competition lol). Rarely are there independent peer reviewed studies provided despite them being required as veganism boils down a falsifiable biochem argument that a human can live from plant compounds alone and thrive. And indeed, if it can be shown that vegans are in fact at any unique risk due to diet I will go back to eating meat as is the terms of my experiment with veganism. B12 is about the most technical argument anti-vegan debaters tend to offer me, its cute but fails hard as vegans make up a fringe minority and yet B12 deficiency is a regularly treated illness among the greater population (of mostly non-vegans). I even hear about the mystery vitamins I’m lacking, something esoteric that doesn’t exist in any of the nutritional software I’ve tried.

Mad props for ur rant man, I didn’t want to touch on the logistics of cruelty-driven markets cause you already did a great job.

I’m glad you put the disclaimer about not turning this thread into a peachy vegan discussion. Bullshit. You knew exactly what you wanted this thread to be, as proven by your own posts. A fucking soapbox for vegans. You know what? My food shits on your food.

How many vegans does it take to change a lightbulb?

Spoiler

Two. One to change the bulb, the other to check the packaging for animal-based ingredients in a fucking lightbulb.

707 thread version 4.0

…Please no preachy vegan discussion here, just wanna know if there’s any of you out there and how long/why/etc…

That’s the reason why a lot of vegans/vegetarians stop eating meat if they’re doing it for animal welfare reasons. It isn’t so much about not wanting to take an animal’s life as it is not wanting to support corporations that fuck up animals so badly.

that reasoning should lead then to a major life change because you are pretty much going against “american/capitalist” standards. Cutting costs in big factories impact the working conditions, it happens in food industry, in sweat shops for big clothing brands, in the phone you are using. So giving up something to make a point while still supporting the idea in many other aspects of your life seems kinda dumb to me. That being said, I live in Canada and I know the animals here are treated waaay better than in america BUT the costs are also waay higher. Sure, I know that we really shouldn’t be eating animal protein 7 days a week but still, I think there could be a compromise on competitive market price and “ethic” conditions for animal treatment.

It’s just the “poor animals get badly treated”-while kids-suffer-making-your-Nike-shoes-and-IPads-for-cents-an-hour that gets me on my nerves.

(I do acknowledge the healthier lifestyle though)

[details=Spoiler]Actually, it does lead to a major life change. It’s also not to simply make a point. It’s something you do because you feel it’s right. Look, animals don’t have a choice in this whether or not they’re butchered by the !millions! which is frankly disgusting. Sure, people in 3rd world countries are used for cheap labor, but at least they have a choice. They can get paid, and make their lives a little better for their families through self sacrifice working hard conditions, or not get paid, and probably live even worse conditions than not working their asses off. At least they have a choice, even if it’s a shitty one. Buying stuff that isn’t made in another nation by cheap labor is pretty much impossible in today’s world. What is possible in today’s world though, is not eating meat and supporting a disgusting underground black world that civilization refuses to acknowledge is in existence for a luxury.

Look, I don’t agree with mass slaughter of life so fat fucks can have a shitty McDonald’s fuck face low ass tier burger, which sell by the millions year after year. I don’t agree with mass slaughter so that people can make themselves unhealthy in the name of convenience. You know how many people probably think about where their food comes from? Not a lot. How many people see meat in store aisles that actually resembles meat? How about deli meats? No, those are packaged and compressed into nice round or square packages and get sliced (imagine if this was human meat) to be put on a sandwich. No one gives a fuck because it doesn’t look like an animal. How about other packaged meats? Not really looking like an animal right? Ok some have bones but we’re conditioned to think they’re useful handles. I’ve seen people shy away from packages that look more like the animal it comes from, like a whole skinned rabbit with its head cut off because omg poor rabbit.

How about how even though animals get slaughtered by the millions that much of it goes to waste? You know how many people order a steak not understanding the difference between well done and medium and get angry it wasn’t cooked “right” and then sends it back to be thrown away? Or how about how many people order more food than they are hungry for and then don’t take it home for later? How about in grocery stores that sell pre-cooked and packaged rotisserie chickens? Do you have any idea how many gets thrown away at the end of the night? They can only be on a shelf for about 3 hours before they start to dry and become unappealing for sale. Guess where those go when people don’t buy them? Trash. Just one store that I worked at threw away about 30 or so a day. 363 days a year. One in a town that had 20 other stores. One town out of thousands nationwide. Do the math, and realize how much gets thrown away. So much fucking life wasted, it’s absolutely disgusting. All for what? For a pretty package on a shelf for people to ignore or for a “nice” smell in the air of the store. This isn’t even taking into account all the unsold out of date meat.

I can’t justify killing for luxury, of any kind of life. It’s a horrible thing to waste, especially if you consider the possibility that there is no new age reincarnation or heaven like afterlife. If everything only has their existence and single life, then it’s an even more tragic happening. All for some dick face’s luxury who doesn’t deserve it.

Humans are no longer part of the natural cycle of life of predator and prey. They’ve long broken that with farming and no longer rely on it for survival. We don’t need meat, and certainly not in the quantities people consume it. If one day, civilization collapsed and hunting was a necessity for survival, ok, I can get on board with that because you’re putting yourself at risk for food like every other natural creature in the cycle of life. But for all the drive thru car seat hunters, they can get fucked.

Bottom line is, it’s disgusting.[/details]

Epic rant yo. nailed it.

Killing for luxury (or religion, or ego, or entertainment, tradition, etc) is precisely what it is, all a lifestyle choice with no objective evidence that it is more beneficial healthwise. I still hear “but we ate meat as nomads” as an actual argument, I kid you not. The appeal to tradition and appeal to nature are like 50% of what I hear against veganism (even at a forensic speech competition lol). Rarely are there independent peer reviewed studies provided despite them being required as veganism boils down a falsifiable biochem argument that a human can live from plant compounds alone and thrive. And indeed, if it can be shown that vegans are in fact at any unique risk due to diet I will go back to eating meat as is the terms of my experiment with veganism. B12 is about the most technical argument anti-vegan debaters tend to offer me, its cute but fails hard as vegans make up a fringe minority and yet B12 deficiency is a regularly treated illness among the greater population (of mostly non-vegans). I even hear about the mystery vitamins I’m lacking, something esoteric that doesn’t exist in any of the nutritional software I’ve tried.

Mad props for ur rant man, I didn’t want to touch on the logistics of cruelty-driven markets cause you already did a great job.

I’m glad you put the disclaimer about not turning this thread into a peachy vegan discussion. Bullshit. You knew exactly what you wanted this thread to be, as proven by your own posts. A fucking soapbox for vegans. You know what? My food shits on your food.

How many vegans does it take to change a lightbulb?

Spoiler

Two. One to change the bulb, the other to check the packaging for animal-based ingredients in a fucking lightbulb.

This is after all a thread intended to bring out the veggies or vegans in the community, why are you even here? Go to KFC or something. Having hecklers around bull baits technical discussions - cause and effect.

Also,* Soap boxing* is a layman attempt to describe pontificating. Here’s the problem kiddo, when we bring up things that are falsifiable we are no longer proposing a dogma. Your tantrum (and lightbulb jokes? didnt know those existed anymore) is to be expected as you are holding to a losing position, being defensive in that situation is natural. Now, calm your man-tits and read the title of this page. Read closely, I know its hard. This is for vegans, not for you. I made the disclaimer as I didn’t want another boring technical debate I just want to talk about food or light subjects here.

[Cyntalan]

I try to do the “free range/grass fed” thing when it comes to eating animal products. I think the whole argument of “humans aren’t meant to eat meat” is absolutely absurd (we have incisors for a reason), but the animal products will have all kinds of shit in it that you don’t want in the typical locations of raising 'em, from hormones to natural body chemicals released due to trauma that just taint it all. You know how much more tender a piece of meat will be if the animal isn’t absolutely horrified before its death? If the last thing they do is tense up, it makes for poor meat.

With all that shit going down, it’s unsurprising people go vegan these days. It just sucks 'cause animal products are far and away the best forms of protein we can consume. That, and a vegan lifestyle is fucking expensive. So is a “free range” lifestyle, for that matter.

That being said, any of you vegans in here obtain telekinetic powers yet?

[axi]

I try to do the “free range/grass fed” thing when it comes to eating animal products. I think the whole argument of “humans aren’t meant to eat meat” is absolutely absurd (we have incisors for a reason), but the animal products will have all kinds of shit in it that you don’t want in the typical locations of raising 'em, from hormones to natural body chemicals released due to trauma that just taint it all. You know how much more tender a piece of meat will be if the animal isn’t absolutely horrified before its death? If the last thing they do is tense up, it makes for poor meat.

With all that shit going down, it’s unsurprising people go vegan these days. It just sucks 'cause animal products are far and away the best forms of protein we can consume. That, and a vegan lifestyle is fucking expensive. So is a “free range” lifestyle, for that matter.

That being said, any of you vegans in here obtain telekinetic powers yet?

I will avoid the tooth debate as its documented to be null with regard to dietary predisposition, plenty of great lectures on YouTube. That said, I will not argue that humans are “meant” to eat meat, as they had to at one point. Many believe our venture from the bonobo-esque diet we came from (we still have the same tongue and intestinal layout) occurred due to a predictable food shortage. All that said, meat is an after-the-fact development. I hold it was useful for a time before we could properly farm, now its arcane and ego-driven (as is the case for meat consumption among Chimpanzees, its a display of dominance).

I must say, please do not propose the “veganism is expensive” argument, its a myth. I can live off fruit for $35 per week, rice is ~$1 per 1000 calories or less, add peas (dirt cheap) and you complete the two missing BCAA’s. Mexican food is dirt cheap, easily appropriated for vegans. Beans + tortilla. Vitamins are cheaper for vegans, Kale will eclipse most rivals and is cheaper than chard. Vegan powers tend be strange behavior from animals, clear skin, good cardio, etc. Telekinesis would be awesome tho. Imagine multitasking with invisible arms. Another strange power among aging vegan women is looking younger, the side effect for vegan males is dreadlocks form after about 3 years being vegan.

[Tekno_Virus]

I skimmed over the thread, but what is OP’s rationale on being vegan?

[dab00g]

Fag

[Iduno]

707 thread version 4.0

…Please no preachy vegan discussion here, just wanna know if there’s any of you out there and how long/why/etc…

That’s the reason why a lot of vegans/vegetarians stop eating meat if they’re doing it for animal welfare reasons. It isn’t so much about not wanting to take an animal’s life as it is not wanting to support corporations that fuck up animals so badly.

that reasoning should lead then to a major life change because you are pretty much going against “american/capitalist” standards. Cutting costs in big factories impact the working conditions, it happens in food industry, in sweat shops for big clothing brands, in the phone you are using. So giving up something to make a point while still supporting the idea in many other aspects of your life seems kinda dumb to me. That being said, I live in Canada and I know the animals here are treated waaay better than in america BUT the costs are also waay higher. Sure, I know that we really shouldn’t be eating animal protein 7 days a week but still, I think there could be a compromise on competitive market price and “ethic” conditions for animal treatment.

It’s just the “poor animals get badly treated”-while kids-suffer-making-your-Nike-shoes-and-IPads-for-cents-an-hour that gets me on my nerves.

(I do acknowledge the healthier lifestyle though)

[details=Spoiler]Actually, it does lead to a major life change. It’s also not to simply make a point. It’s something you do because you feel it’s right. Look, animals don’t have a choice in this whether or not they’re butchered by the !millions! which is frankly disgusting. Sure, people in 3rd world countries are used for cheap labor, but at least they have a choice. They can get paid, and make their lives a little better for their families through self sacrifice working hard conditions, or not get paid, and probably live even worse conditions than not working their asses off. At least they have a choice, even if it’s a shitty one. Buying stuff that isn’t made in another nation by cheap labor is pretty much impossible in today’s world. What is possible in today’s world though, is not eating meat and supporting a disgusting underground black world that civilization refuses to acknowledge is in existence for a luxury.

Look, I don’t agree with mass slaughter of life so fat fucks can have a shitty McDonald’s fuck face low ass tier burger, which sell by the millions year after year. I don’t agree with mass slaughter so that people can make themselves unhealthy in the name of convenience. You know how many people probably think about where their food comes from? Not a lot. How many people see meat in store aisles that actually resembles meat? How about deli meats? No, those are packaged and compressed into nice round or square packages and get sliced (imagine if this was human meat) to be put on a sandwich. No one gives a fuck because it doesn’t look like an animal. How about other packaged meats? Not really looking like an animal right? Ok some have bones but we’re conditioned to think they’re useful handles. I’ve seen people shy away from packages that look more like the animal it comes from, like a whole skinned rabbit with its head cut off because omg poor rabbit.

How about how even though animals get slaughtered by the millions that much of it goes to waste? You know how many people order a steak not understanding the difference between well done and medium and get angry it wasn’t cooked “right” and then sends it back to be thrown away? Or how about how many people order more food than they are hungry for and then don’t take it home for later? How about in grocery stores that sell pre-cooked and packaged rotisserie chickens? Do you have any idea how many gets thrown away at the end of the night? They can only be on a shelf for about 3 hours before they start to dry and become unappealing for sale. Guess where those go when people don’t buy them? Trash. Just one store that I worked at threw away about 30 or so a day. 363 days a year. One in a town that had 20 other stores. One town out of thousands nationwide. Do the math, and realize how much gets thrown away. So much fucking life wasted, it’s absolutely disgusting. All for what? For a pretty package on a shelf for people to ignore or for a “nice” smell in the air of the store. This isn’t even taking into account all the unsold out of date meat.

I can’t justify killing for luxury, of any kind of life. It’s a horrible thing to waste, especially if you consider the possibility that there is no new age reincarnation or heaven like afterlife. If everything only has their existence and single life, then it’s an even more tragic happening. All for some dick face’s luxury who doesn’t deserve it.

Humans are no longer part of the natural cycle of life of predator and prey. They’ve long broken that with farming and no longer rely on it for survival. We don’t need meat, and certainly not in the quantities people consume it. If one day, civilization collapsed and hunting was a necessity for survival, ok, I can get on board with that because you’re putting yourself at risk for food like every other natural creature in the cycle of life. But for all the drive thru car seat hunters, they can get fucked.

Bottom line is, it’s disgusting.[/details]

Epic rant yo. nailed it.

Killing for luxury (or religion, or ego, or entertainment, tradition, etc) is precisely what it is, all a lifestyle choice with no objective evidence that it is more beneficial healthwise. I still hear “but we ate meat as nomads” as an actual argument, I kid you not. The appeal to tradition and appeal to nature are like 50% of what I hear against veganism (even at a forensic speech competition lol). Rarely are there independent peer reviewed studies provided despite them being required as veganism boils down a falsifiable biochem argument that a human can live from plant compounds alone and thrive. And indeed, if it can be shown that vegans are in fact at any unique risk due to diet I will go back to eating meat as is the terms of my experiment with veganism. B12 is about the most technical argument anti-vegan debaters tend to offer me, its cute but fails hard as vegans make up a fringe minority and yet B12 deficiency is a regularly treated illness among the greater population (of mostly non-vegans). I even hear about the mystery vitamins I’m lacking, something esoteric that doesn’t exist in any of the nutritional software I’ve tried.

Mad props for ur rant man, I didn’t want to touch on the logistics of cruelty-driven markets cause you already did a great job.

I’m glad you put the disclaimer about not turning this thread into a peachy vegan discussion. Bullshit. You knew exactly what you wanted this thread to be, as proven by your own posts. A fucking soapbox for vegans. You know what? My food shits on your food.

How many vegans does it take to change a lightbulb?

Spoiler

Two. One to change the bulb, the other to check the packaging for animal-based ingredients in a fucking lightbulb.

707 thread version 4.0

…Please no preachy vegan discussion here, just wanna know if there’s any of you out there and how long/why/etc…

That’s the reason why a lot of vegans/vegetarians stop eating meat if they’re doing it for animal welfare reasons. It isn’t so much about not wanting to take an animal’s life as it is not wanting to support corporations that fuck up animals so badly.

that reasoning should lead then to a major life change because you are pretty much going against “american/capitalist” standards. Cutting costs in big factories impact the working conditions, it happens in food industry, in sweat shops for big clothing brands, in the phone you are using. So giving up something to make a point while still supporting the idea in many other aspects of your life seems kinda dumb to me. That being said, I live in Canada and I know the animals here are treated waaay better than in america BUT the costs are also waay higher. Sure, I know that we really shouldn’t be eating animal protein 7 days a week but still, I think there could be a compromise on competitive market price and “ethic” conditions for animal treatment.

It’s just the “poor animals get badly treated”-while kids-suffer-making-your-Nike-shoes-and-IPads-for-cents-an-hour that gets me on my nerves.

(I do acknowledge the healthier lifestyle though)

[details=Spoiler]Actually, it does lead to a major life change. It’s also not to simply make a point. It’s something you do because you feel it’s right. Look, animals don’t have a choice in this whether or not they’re butchered by the !millions! which is frankly disgusting. Sure, people in 3rd world countries are used for cheap labor, but at least they have a choice. They can get paid, and make their lives a little better for their families through self sacrifice working hard conditions, or not get paid, and probably live even worse conditions than not working their asses off. At least they have a choice, even if it’s a shitty one. Buying stuff that isn’t made in another nation by cheap labor is pretty much impossible in today’s world. What is possible in today’s world though, is not eating meat and supporting a disgusting underground black world that civilization refuses to acknowledge is in existence for a luxury.

Look, I don’t agree with mass slaughter of life so fat fucks can have a shitty McDonald’s fuck face low ass tier burger, which sell by the millions year after year. I don’t agree with mass slaughter so that people can make themselves unhealthy in the name of convenience. You know how many people probably think about where their food comes from? Not a lot. How many people see meat in store aisles that actually resembles meat? How about deli meats? No, those are packaged and compressed into nice round or square packages and get sliced (imagine if this was human meat) to be put on a sandwich. No one gives a fuck because it doesn’t look like an animal. How about other packaged meats? Not really looking like an animal right? Ok some have bones but we’re conditioned to think they’re useful handles. I’ve seen people shy away from packages that look more like the animal it comes from, like a whole skinned rabbit with its head cut off because omg poor rabbit.

How about how even though animals get slaughtered by the millions that much of it goes to waste? You know how many people order a steak not understanding the difference between well done and medium and get angry it wasn’t cooked “right” and then sends it back to be thrown away? Or how about how many people order more food than they are hungry for and then don’t take it home for later? How about in grocery stores that sell pre-cooked and packaged rotisserie chickens? Do you have any idea how many gets thrown away at the end of the night? They can only be on a shelf for about 3 hours before they start to dry and become unappealing for sale. Guess where those go when people don’t buy them? Trash. Just one store that I worked at threw away about 30 or so a day. 363 days a year. One in a town that had 20 other stores. One town out of thousands nationwide. Do the math, and realize how much gets thrown away. So much fucking life wasted, it’s absolutely disgusting. All for what? For a pretty package on a shelf for people to ignore or for a “nice” smell in the air of the store. This isn’t even taking into account all the unsold out of date meat.

I can’t justify killing for luxury, of any kind of life. It’s a horrible thing to waste, especially if you consider the possibility that there is no new age reincarnation or heaven like afterlife. If everything only has their existence and single life, then it’s an even more tragic happening. All for some dick face’s luxury who doesn’t deserve it.

Humans are no longer part of the natural cycle of life of predator and prey. They’ve long broken that with farming and no longer rely on it for survival. We don’t need meat, and certainly not in the quantities people consume it. If one day, civilization collapsed and hunting was a necessity for survival, ok, I can get on board with that because you’re putting yourself at risk for food like every other natural creature in the cycle of life. But for all the drive thru car seat hunters, they can get fucked.

Bottom line is, it’s disgusting.[/details]

Epic rant yo. nailed it.

Killing for luxury (or religion, or ego, or entertainment, tradition, etc) is precisely what it is, all a lifestyle choice with no objective evidence that it is more beneficial healthwise. I still hear “but we ate meat as nomads” as an actual argument, I kid you not. The appeal to tradition and appeal to nature are like 50% of what I hear against veganism (even at a forensic speech competition lol). Rarely are there independent peer reviewed studies provided despite them being required as veganism boils down a falsifiable biochem argument that a human can live from plant compounds alone and thrive. And indeed, if it can be shown that vegans are in fact at any unique risk due to diet I will go back to eating meat as is the terms of my experiment with veganism. B12 is about the most technical argument anti-vegan debaters tend to offer me, its cute but fails hard as vegans make up a fringe minority and yet B12 deficiency is a regularly treated illness among the greater population (of mostly non-vegans). I even hear about the mystery vitamins I’m lacking, something esoteric that doesn’t exist in any of the nutritional software I’ve tried.

Mad props for ur rant man, I didn’t want to touch on the logistics of cruelty-driven markets cause you already did a great job.

I’m glad you put the disclaimer about not turning this thread into a peachy vegan discussion. Bullshit. You knew exactly what you wanted this thread to be, as proven by your own posts. A fucking soapbox for vegans. You know what? My food shits on your food.

How many vegans does it take to change a lightbulb?

Spoiler

Two. One to change the bulb, the other to check the packaging for animal-based ingredients in a fucking lightbulb.

This is after all a thread intended to bring out the veggies or vegans in the community, why are you even here? Go to KFC or something. Having hecklers around bull baits technical discussions - cause and effect.

Also,* Soap boxing* is a layman attempt to describe pontificating. Here’s the problem kiddo, when we bring up things that are falsifiable we are no longer proposing a dogma. Your tantrum (and lightbulb jokes? didnt know those existed anymore) is to be expected as you are holding to a losing position, being defensive in that situation is natural. Now, calm your man-tits and read the title of this page. Read closely, I know its hard. This is for vegans, not for you. I made the disclaimer as I didn’t want another boring technical debate I just want to talk about food or light subjects here.

Perhaps you should read your first post before you start telling others to read the title, I seem to remember something about not being preachy there.

[locoghoul]

i’ll edit whenever I got more time but pretty much the sentiment of “killing animals” is blown out of proportion. I’ve heard that vegan leader comparing chicken farms to the holocaust and then saying “it’s slaughter” and how could you eat something that has suffered for your pleasure, etc etc. Well, according to that logic, eating plants is ok because? Oh right, plants “don’t suffer”, they just die. Cool story. Without trolling, these people are saying that if let’s say a cow was not raised the way it is now but instead raised in a sort of theme park life with massages and stuff and then put to sleep (the same way dogs are put down “humanely” whenever they are suffering too much) in a painless way you would be ok with that right? So it’s not about “zomg killing animals is bad” because you would still not touch that cow.

It’s a flawed argument that leads into a healthy lifestyle.

I’ll also comment later on how people have seem to forgotten that some species exist solely because humans “made” them. Like the dog or cow. Dogs didn’t exist. They are actually wolves mutated (Canis lupus and Canis familiaris) by early humans that took them to help them with tasks such as hunting/herding/company/etc. Same thing with cows. Cows are a mutation/evolution/whatever of a wild bovine that existed before. Not a single wild bovine contains the amount of fat and eats as much as cow. Cows are the result of years of farming. Dogs aren’t wild animals. Cows aren’t wild animals. Leave a cow for a year in the wild, see if she is still alive. Diseases, lack of food, predators, etc will have your cow medium rare before your hippie mind realizes they can’t survive on their own. Same shit happens with dogs, all those street dogs barely survive on trash and whatever they find before they spread diseases or get become road kill. So is it ok to raise them for us to consume their meat? I don’t see any “ethical” reason why not. Are the conditions in the US too extreme maybe when it comes to animal treatment? Sure, lobbies will probably keep it that way independently of your life choice. Could they be raised differently? Yes, Europe and Canada already do. Should we stop eating meat then? Up to you but there are options out there if you are against animal cruelty just so you know.

[manbehindthewires]

How many vegans does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Spoiler

I’m better than you.

Jokes about vegans thread? Okay!

How many vegans does it take to change a lightbulb?

Spoiler

They’ll never change anything.

On a serious note, was a vegetarian for the first 16 years of my life, was the last person to find out. Technically a pescatarian or whatever since fish was allowed. Still eat a fair amount of Quorn and Sosmix stuff and at work, ordering vegetarian is the only way to guarantee fresh food.

I’ve mentioned it before on here, but Hugh Fearnley Wittingstall’s book, Veg Everyday, is great and you’ll learn a lot from it.

Anyone in New York or LA should check out Babycakes NYC, vegan pancakes, waffles, donuts, frosted cupcakes, you name it.

[chadouken]

Preachy vegan stuff

Alright man, I’ll chill back on the jokes. Sorry for being offensive, but I’ve had mean vegans try to tell me what I should be eating and it pisses me off. But that doesn’t give me the right to be rude to you. Sorry.

For what it’s worth, I try to buy local beef and pork from the butcher, and I always get free range, organic fed chicken and eggs.

I have a question for you though- what is your stance on honey? Are bees considered animals and is honey an animal product? That’s a serious question, and if you can answer it I’ll stay out of your thread and not heckle anymore

[axi]

Preachy vegan stuff

Alright man, I’ll chill back on the jokes. Sorry for being offensive, but I’ve had mean vegans try to tell me what I should be eating and it pisses me off. But that doesn’t give me the right to be rude to you. Sorry.

For what it’s worth, I try to buy local beef and pork from the butcher, and I always get free range, organic fed chicken and eggs.

I have a question for you though- what is your stance on honey? Are bees considered animals and is honey an animal product? That’s a serious question, and if you can answer it I’ll stay out of your thread and not heckle anymore

Ur not offensive, ur morelike the guy that sits behind u in a theater cackling at the non-funny scenes. just noisy.

[axi]

How many vegans does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Spoiler

I’m better than you.

Jokes about vegans thread? Okay!

How many vegans does it take to change a lightbulb?

Spoiler

They’ll never change anything.

On a serious note, was a vegetarian for the first 16 years of my life, was the last person to find out. Technically a pescatarian or whatever since fish was allowed. Still eat a fair amount of Quorn and Sosmix stuff and at work, ordering vegetarian is the only way to guarantee fresh food.

I’ve mentioned it before on here, but Hugh Fearnley Wittingstall’s book, Veg Everyday, is great and you’ll learn a lot from it.

Anyone in New York or LA should check out Babycakes NYC, vegan pancakes, waffles, donuts, frosted cupcakes, you name it.

I love pancakes, recently I learned how to make them with a rice cooker.they come out cray.

[chadouken]

Preachy vegan stuff

Alright man, I’ll chill back on the jokes. Sorry for being offensive, but I’ve had mean vegans try to tell me what I should be eating and it pisses me off. But that doesn’t give me the right to be rude to you. Sorry.

For what it’s worth, I try to buy local beef and pork from the butcher, and I always get free range, organic fed chicken and eggs.

I have a question for you though- what is your stance on honey? Are bees considered animals and is honey an animal product? That’s a serious question, and if you can answer it I’ll stay out of your thread and not heckle anymore

Ur not offensive, ur morelike the guy that sits behind u in a theater cackling at the non-funny scenes. just noisy.

Dude, I totally do that!