I don’t have significant moral qualms with eating meat but I do feel like the less of it I eat the better I feel. Seems like going full vegan has mixed results for some people but I’d like to give it a go one day.
I’m vegan.
#1 mistake is not eating enough, hands down. Any new vegan should use cronometer and count calories.
#2 eating soy (poison, full of phytoestrogens)
#3 processed foods (bad fats)
EDIT:
#4 water… the amount of fiber a vegan consumes eclipses the standard American diet by several magnitudes.
Basically the rules for being a healthy vegan are the same as a healthy non-vegan, its just calorie goals are reversed. baseline is harder to meet than it is to reduce to. Also its easier to be healthy as a vegan than a meat eater (I’ve been at both ends of the health food spectrum so I have experience in this matter).
Awesome yo.
I think the abundance of food makes it hard to have good balance these days. I dont really give a shit what you do but from what I’ve seen going 100% purist vegan is detrimental to your health and physical form. You start lacking things to where youd have to nom on some hardcore vitamins like M&M’s in order to get enough in your system. My dad’s ex girlfriend was like that. If it didnt grow out of the ground she would not consume it, and even then not all of that either. She wouldnt even take in sugar. She didn’t have a bit of fat on her frame but when she showed skin she looked like shit. She was getting sick a whole bunch too. She didnt seem like she was all there in a conversation and she didnt have an eating disorder either. Bitch lived off of lettuce and such and boy did it show.
On the subject of moral qualms with eating meat, when plants die, other plants absorb nutrients from the remains to grow stronger. Plants are cannibals technically. Think about it.
Living off lettuce will kill you, I’d consider that an eating disorder. Your friend was anorexic but called it being vegan, big difference.
I get about 3000 calories per day, weigh 170 and the only vitamin I take is b12. I can run a 15 mile marathon and am learning 2 languages (for cognitive assessment). Not to mention, I’ve already been to the doctor and check out fine. Avoiding sugar is insanity, 500 trillion cells in the body run off glucose. Ur friend was delusional.
Its your anecdote to share, but I’d caution against using it as any evidence against a vegan regiment as its simply useless data.
I haven’t had a problem getting enough calories through out the day as a vegan. I’ve probably gained a bit more weight since I went full blown. I like avocados too much 
Same ha… being fruitarian-vegan is easy mode but no costco near me T.T.
I was thinking I may have come off harsh. I hope things ended safely with ur friend (she saw help or a doctor or something) but it is the epitome of ignorance to take an extreme act like that and apply it to a broad population. Its a trend that needs to stop. To conclude anything from that trend (taking lots of vitamins) is also deeply flawed. The people you want to test are 100% vegans that are not new to being vegan and who are consuming base caloric requirement. You have to control for non-dietary illness, that is easy since if meat eaters get said illness at equal/greater rate then it means at worst vegans are 1:1. To use anorexic people as an example is like me going to a motorcycle club and saying that the 636R is a bad bike because my brother wrecked one doing a wheelie. its that flawed.
People who can’t envision how it’s possible to have great meals w/o meat:
Go to your local bookstore, order a copy of “Yotam Ottolenghi - Plenty”. You won’t regret it.
Some freebies: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/series/thenewvegetarian
Godlike stuff.
Simple veggie over here, no meat/flesh of any kind. :v
Well I guess I eat a lot of fruit and vegetables.
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a good friend of mine was vegan and had me eating vegan-friendly foods every time we hung out. alot of the things we ate were really tasty and healthy, which appealed to me since i was into fitness at the time. i’ve steadily weened off meats since them maybe once or twice a week. i’ve been this way for about 6 months and enjoy how lean i keep.
OP what sort of meals are you taking in to get 3k calories? why don’t you eat soy or corn products?
American soy contains questionable compounds, namely a high phytoestrogen count. Everyone I know that cut soy saw marked health improvements, including myself. Soy and Corn in the USA are also GMOs, brought to you by the same folks that did agent orange (Monsanto). I’m not against GMOs entirely, but am entirely against eating anything tied to Monsanto.
I wish that were true, thats potato, high fructose corn syrup, refined sugar, and somewhere at the bottom is tomato paste.
Not trying to change your perspective, just want to present you with information in case you aren’t fully informed on the topic. Are you familiar with the conditions on factory farms? They’re like concentration camps for cows and chickens. Shit is hard to watch.
That’s the reason why a lot of vegans/vegetarians stop eating meat if they’re doing it for animal welfare reasons. It isn’t so much about not wanting to take an animal’s life as it is not wanting to support corporations that fuck up animals so badly.
You know whats funny, my sister is an MFA major in contemporary art, you know, #Banbossy SJWs #ineedfeminismcuz etc. contemporary art.
She gets so much hate for her pieces about factory farming even while her art works is based on heavy research. People have an off-button for ethics. I’ve arrived at the conclusion that for most Americans, animal-related ethics end when burgerking begins. The fact that male chicks are literally thrown into a meat grinder doesnt seem to do much for people.
I hate to say it but I have to really disagree with this. The whole agent orange shit is really blown out of proportion. Tons of food has “dangerous” chemicals have. Apples have cyanide for example. Salt has sodium. It’s not the chemicals themselves but how they’re combined that makes them dangerous. Agent Orange is dangerous because of the chemical composition and combination. IMO it seems like you’re reading too many anti-GMO scare websites or news feeds, this is a common fear spread through these, and they’re very anti-science.
Also, fuck trolls clicking wtf on vegan stuff. I also don’t get why in a vegan thread people are all like “omg look at all this delicious and appetizing meat pictures I’m posting!!” Sorry, we don’t really care, and why are you posting here? Do you like it when you talk about eating meat that you enjoy and a vegan walks up and be all like “yo, you should check out all this compassionate and non-murderous food I’m eating, LOOK!”
you can’t just list a chemical as a reason for why you don’t eat a food, that’s some pleb-tier reasoning. phytoestrogens won’t readily do any bodily harm to you, they’re naturally occurring and get metabolized normally like anything else you eat. my major is in the natural sciences and i read alot into GMOs, mostly scientific journals. they’re really not as bad as people make them out to be. depending on where your sources you could be receiving some biased information. i know about the monsanto corporation and they’re involvement with project orange. you can’t blame a company for going after government contracts, there’s so much money involved with those. the researchers for that project are probably dead now anyways.
that reasoning should lead then to a major life change because you are pretty much going against “american/capitalist” standards. Cutting costs in big factories impact the working conditions, it happens in food industry, in sweat shops for big clothing brands, in the phone you are using. So giving up something to make a point while still supporting the idea in many other aspects of your life seems kinda dumb to me. That being said, I live in Canada and I know the animals here are treated waaay better than in america BUT the costs are also waay higher. Sure, I know that we really shouldn’t be eating animal protein 7 days a week but still, I think there could be a compromise on competitive market price and “ethic” conditions for animal treatment.
It’s just the “poor animals get badly treated”-while kids-suffer-making-your-Nike-shoes-and-IPads-for-cents-an-hour that gets me on my nerves.
(I do acknowledge the healthier lifestyle though)
give me a vegetarian/vegan book that isn’t lame.
I’m never giving up the meats, but variety is the spice of life
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Are you suggesting this is a vegan trait?