American Government Thread 2: RIP John McCain, 81

As anticipated by conservatives and scoffed at by liberals now scholars are arguing that pedophilia as a sexual orientation.

Well done, you’ve played yourselves.

Oh my fucking god…

It’s not wrong to be a pedophile cause you probably can’t help it.

It’s wrong to watch child porn though. Just use your mind. Or buy a doll or something.

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We don’t really know that it ISN’T an orientation though. What’s weird is, scientists have no idea why people like what they like sexually, and this is one of those things that probably needs to be studied. Stigmatizing it and pretending it doesn’t exist just makes kids more at risk.

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Bet she sexed one of her students…

So German scholar singular? This is American government related on what planet?

My having an American energy drink today is more relevant.

https://www.ft.com/content/f83b20e4-8e67-11e8-9609-3d3b945e78cf

TLDR: Chinese elites see Trump as a very credible and dangerous opponent who recognises that America has been spending billions to support a world order that has constrained the US while facilitating China’s rise. They believe that Trump aims to overturn this order into one more favorable toward the US. They fear that Xi Jinping may have precipitated this by being overly aggressive in expanding China’s global influence and believe that China should be more circumspect as it cannot beat Trump in this game.

Mark Leonard JULY 24, 2018 162

Donald Trump is leading a double life. In the west, most foreign policy experts see him as reckless, unpredictable and self-defeating. But though many in Asia dislike him as much as the Europeans do, they see him as a more substantial figure. I have just spent a week in Beijing talking to officials and intellectuals, many of whom are awed by his skill as a strategist and tactician.

One of the people I met was the former vice-foreign minister He Yafei. He shot to global prominence in 2009 when he delivered a finger-wagging lecture to President Barack Obama at the Copenhagen climate conference before blowing up hopes of a deal. He is somewhat less belligerent where Mr Trump is concerned. He worries that strategic competition has become the new normal and says that “trade wars are just the tip of the iceberg”.

Few Chinese think that Mr Trump’s primary concern is to rebalance the bilateral trade deficit. If it were, they say, he would have aligned with the EU, Japan and Canada against China rather than scooping up America’s allies in his tariff dragnet. They think the US president’s goal is nothing less than remaking the global order.

They think Mr Trump feels he is presiding over the relative decline of his great nation. It is not that the current order does not benefit the US. The problem is that it benefits others more in relative terms. To make things worse the US is investing billions of dollars and a fair amount of blood in supporting the very alliances and international institutions that are constraining America and facilitating China’s rise.

In Chinese eyes, Mr Trump’s response is a form of “creative destruction”. He is systematically destroying the existing institutions — from the World Trade Organization and the North American Free Trade Agreement to Nato and the Iran nuclear deal — as a first step towards renegotiating the world order on terms more favourable to Washington.

Once the order is destroyed, the Chinese elite believes, Mr Trump will move to stage two: renegotiating America’s relationship with other powers. Because the US is still the most powerful country in the world, it will be able to negotiate with other countries from a position of strength if it deals with them one at a time rather than through multilateral institutions that empower the weak at the expense of the strong.

My interlocutors say that Mr Trump is the US first president for more than 40 years to bash China on three fronts simultaneously: trade, military and ideology. They describe him as a master tactician, focusing on one issue at a time, and extracting as many concessions as he can. They speak of the skilful way Mr Trump has treated President Xi Jinping. “Look at how he handled North Korea,” one says. “He got Xi Jinping to agree to UN sanctions [half a dozen] times, creating an economic stranglehold on the country. China almost turned North Korea into a sworn enemy of the country.” But they also see him as a strategist, willing to declare a truce in each area when there are no more concessions to be had, and then start again with a new front.

For the Chinese, even Mr Trump’s sycophantic press conference with Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, in Helsinki had a strategic purpose. They see it as Henry Kissinger in reverse. In 1972, the US nudged China off the Soviet axis in order to put pressure on its real rival, the Soviet Union. Today Mr Trump is reaching out to Russia in order to isolate China.

In the short term, China is talking tough in response to Mr Trump’s trade assault. At the same time they are trying to develop a multiplayer front against him by reaching out to the EU, Japan and South Korea. But many Chinese experts are quietly calling for a rethink of the longer-term strategy. They want to prepare the ground for a new grand bargain with the US based on Chinese retrenchment. Many feel that Mr Xi has over-reached and worry that it was a mistake simultaneously to antagonise the US economically and militarily in the South China Sea.

Instead, they advocate economic concessions and a pullback from the aggressive tactics that have characterised China’s recent foreign policy. They call for a Chinese variant of “splendid isolationism”, relying on growing the domestic market rather than disrupting other countries’ economies by exporting industrial surpluses.

So which is the real Mr Trump? The reckless reactionary destroying critical alliances, or the “stable genius” who is pressuring China? The answer seems to depend on where you ask the question. Things look different from Beijing than from Brussels.

The writer is director of the European Council on Foreign Relations

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China is severely overthinking it.

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Yea i didnt know the Chinese where so easily shook. Shit.

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Also:

I did not “Like” that post by Acid.

Not only that, the forum won’t let me click that defamation of my character away.

@Preppy

Freudian slip? Don’t fight it brah, self repression ain’t healthy.

I just click the heart and my like goes away. I don’t have further solutions.

Whoever wrote that piece is severely over thinking it, lol. Some of the hot takes in that piece didn’t help.

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Get ready for the Dark Ages bruh.
I’m down here in Texas.

The majority of this state, the rest of the Southwest, The South, and the Mid-west are about to give this fool 4 more years, and keep Republicans in power!!

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You might need to visit in incognito mode if on a phone. Don’t forget it doesn’t take into count, protest votes. Also when you zoom in, things don’t look so desolate, haha. I’ve seen other maps that a still show majority Blue or Purple. It’s just the votes in the more rural areas hold more power because of the EC.

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A) The World Affairs topic has been closed, so can’t post it in there. But our government deals with other governments so the policies being discussed in Germany would give us a precursor for what is to come next.

B) All it takes these days is 1 tweet from Trump and it qualifies. And I’m convinced that more trump haters are followers of him on Twitter than supporters given how often the lot of you post his tweets.

C) The LGBTQ+ is the same here as it is in Germany, pushing for the same agenda there as over here. Eventually this is going to happen over here and you know it. So why not start discussing it now?

I’m almost tempted to get a twitter account just so I can tweet this story to Trump so he can tweet a reply. Then watch all of you start defending pedophilia if Trump takes a stance against it.

lol dude you’re great but you have an agenda a fucking mile wide.

Because one person in Germany does not the LGBTQASPARKLEPONY!+ community make. I get it, you’re excited about this story. Use the right thread. Just cuz this thread exists doesn’t make it the right one for your particular axe to grind.

Was thinking more about possible impeachment today as the obstruction case supposedly keeps building. We know Nixon resigned: kinda curious if Trump would actually do that. We’re having delicious constitutional friction these past several years. A definition of the emoluments clause may finally be pending! As a legal junkie, I love this shit:

As an American citizen, it depresses me. Oh well. Should be interesting to see what percentage of the population is excited about this administration come next election.

Preppy glosses over things sometimes. His above response seems like he thought he said something about this but neglected to.

Just FYI.

sees map
…Yeah we’re fucked! :sweat:

I’m still going out to vote this November, but my expectations are super bleak.

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Second-quarter GDP jumps 4.1% for best pace in nearly four years

Gross domestic product increased 4.1 percent in the second quarter, matching Reuters estimates.

Strong consumer and business spending as well as a surge in exports ahead of retaliatory tariffs from China helped drive economic growth.

The last time the economy grew this quickly was in the third quarter of 2014.
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