I find it interesting that you now have evidence of actual collusion between the NRA and the Russians. And now the NRA doesn’t need to disclose its donors any longer…?
I feel like the Trump voting base got owned hard in the past election. gg no re
I find it interesting that you now have evidence of actual collusion between the NRA and the Russians. And now the NRA doesn’t need to disclose its donors any longer…?
I feel like the Trump voting base got owned hard in the past election. gg no re
The re is coming pretty soon. Few months time, in fact.
Then we’ll see if the Crats managed to make inroads by exploding outrage nuke after outrage nuke within the sturdy discursive bubble that they’ve built for themselves, or maybe, just maybe America has a lot more on it’s mind than the talking points crafted by NYT and WP.
The re is significantly slanted towards Republicans, though, so this would seem to be at best a small shockwave. The interesting question is how long the Republicans refuse to hold members of their own party accountable. I’m sure there’s some Democrat they need to investigate about something. Recently I heard Trump mention that there’s some secret Hillary server that will crack the case wide open after these years.
I think it’s right to have all sorts of things on your mind. I’m hungry, for example. It does seem psychotic to have the President actively deceiving the American people:
https://www.newstimes.com/opinion/article/As-explosive-new-Russia-revelations-hit-Trump-13088381.php
, though, since conversations starting from listening to Trump would tend to be counterfactual. If NYT and WP want to build up talking points based upon reality, that seems substantially better than whatever you call it based upon propaganda and lies.
At this point I’m fascinated trying to figure out if Trump will finish his term. I’d think he will - the Republicans are happy to enable him - but Trump has seemed to vigorously cause himself needless problems. I don’t know what happens if the Democrats gain power and we regain a semblance of ethics and rule of law. What a time to be alive.
Assuming that everything your side says is reality and everything the other side says is propaganda is a great way to harden your ideological bubble. However, no media can describe reality. They can only frame it. Framing gives them the power to make certain issues seem particularly important, and maybe even the only “truth” that matters.
Then when people disagree with you, they’re either stupid or evil, or whatever label you need to make sense of the fact that they see a completely different reality from you. But it’s not a different reality, just a different frame. Probably the frame that matters more to them and makes more sense to them.
Life makes a lot more sense when you stop assuming that large swaths of people, especially swaths that are big enough to win elections are stupid or evil.
I agree that framing of a message is key, but also consider that some things are in fact just plane strange with this presidency. The biggest example is how the whole Russia meeting went. Could you imagine if any other politician on the other side met with a head of State for 2 hrs exclusively alone. Sean Hannity would have become so enraged that he’d have ripped his skin off on national TV. Gross generalizations are terrible as it immediately creates an ideological bubble but it’s extremely difficult to reason with a position knowing that the double-down effect is in play.
I don’t really like to discuss specific issues, because frankly all that does is lead me into getting dragged into a political debate “on a video game forum”.
But yes, Trump has made mistakes in this summit and his responses the Mueller investigation. However from his overall policies, I don’t see any substantiation to the allegations of him being a puppet. To me, this makes all the noise about the latest summit just that. Another round of noise.
http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/18/just-like-obama-trumps-russia-policy-speaks-louder-words/
Sometimes large swaths of people’s beliefs are really, really fucking stupid.
And sometimes these beliefs are at the center of their beings - how they define themselves.
They are stupid by self-definition.
Other people calling them out on it is not a matter of framing, anymore than the fact that the emperor isn’t flayed, mean he’s attired, much less suitably.
Do people really not grasp the importance of an established conflict of interest as it regards the specter of bias? Bias can manifest itself in myriad ways, one simply being the setting of priorities…
Yep: it’s good that I said nothing of the sort.
You insulted NYT/WP: I think I rightfully pointed out that there’s no substantive basis for that.
I don’t know about that last bit nor the first bit. You get weird results with weird input: GIGO. That’s not the fault of the person. However, when one party insists that anything “bad” is fake news and that you should only pay attention to them and nobody else… that leads to pretty fucked up realities.
I don’t recall suggesting that the average Republican voter is evil. I don’t recall saying that they’re stupid. I do think they’re living in an alternate factual reality, but there’s a clear system built up to enable that and that’s not their fault.
Refusing to think critically IS their fault, though, preppy.
Either that, or else they are incapable of it.
…which is their fault, too.
Pick a connotation.
straight from ya mans mouth.
here’s the story behind his bytch made tweets.
lol…his performances in helsinki, singapore and brussels says otherwise about his deal making skills. anyway, national unity isn’t why he signed it.
trump himself has made no secret of wanting to normalize relations with russia since he came into office and part of that process is eventually lifting sanctions. trump had have his hoe card pulled by congress because he can’t be trusted when it comes to putin. yet, you want to run up in here and claim he’s not putin’s bitch. lol…that’s funny.
i don’t blame you. if i ever had to defend trump. i wouldn’t want to talk specifics either given his history of flip flops and blowing up people foolish enough to attempt it.
it’s the come up of the century. 16 GOP presidential candidates (14 with political experience) to choose from and they get finessed by this transparent clown. lol.
strange? that’s an understatement. normally, when heads of states meet. there are no surprises because outcomes are predetermined long beforehand, but not with the trump administration. it turns into a shit show real quick. diplomatic protocols aren’t being followed. one hand does not know what the other is doing. trump says one thing. his administration says something else entirely. the result is garbled mixed messages and surprise “agreements”.
yeah, but i have no problem with it because it makes the thread entertaining. i mean, you have posters running up in here with their hot takes and attempting to argue a position in which they are either misinformed or uninformed. this is funny, but this isn’t the best part. the best part is their reaction where they:
stubbornly and hilariously continue to argue opinion as fact or even going to the extreme of posting conspiracy theories or easily demonstrable falsehoods as fact. i like it when they post something from facebook or a video of a random from youtube.
instead of rationally thinking,“hmmm…maybe i should fully inform myself of the facts (no, i’m not talking about youtube, facebook, infowars, etc”) if only for my own edification. instead, they get mad at the poster who clowned on them by daring to expose them to a fact. after all, why blame yourself when you can blame others for something totally under one’s control.
Please tell me I’m not the only one that just scrolls past mr_punk posts like Shin_Akuma posts.
I do hope so.
There is a difference between electing not to read anything out of the history stacks, and skipping out on Illuminated Bible Stories.
…I’d have written “Illustrated”, but “Illuminated” is, no false modesty, great wordplay.
That, and I’d rather not diss John K. Samson by association.
You’re not the only one but the other’s that do, don’t have a convincing argument against him. mr. punk’s post are shorter, more concise and deal with the current matters. Shin Akuma’s posts are long as hell and have consistently read like someone who just found out that Christopher Columbus didn’t discover America…and it’s been like that for several years with no signs of changing.
I wouldn’t know. Both of 'em post in such a way that’s it looks like unreadable dreck no matter which way you spin it.
Bro, I don’t even bother with Twitter so why would I bother reading posts from a bot that aggregates tweets
Russia has Putin.
We have… Poutin’.
Welp, the gun control debate is pretty much over now: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/19/us/3d-printed-gun-settlement-trnd/index.html