You can’t legally get one. Of course, if such things like rules and laws don’t matter to you then it shouldn’t be a big problem.
-Starhammer-
NRA Reacts to Companies Cutting Ties: ‘Shameful Display of Political and Civic Cowardice’
There were multiple armed officers on the premises but all of them waited outside of the school while kids were getting killed: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-response-fail-20180223-story.html
Spoiler
The NRA doesn’t actually give a shit about protecting anyone’s freedoms. They care about selling guns for gun manufacturers. Made me think about what the soulless husk of what appeared to be a woman said the other day: media loves mass shootings for the ratings, but I’m sure the NRA loves it too as nutjobs go out and buy guns out of fear of more regulations.
God do I ever hope this is false. To think that they could’ve stepped in and possibly saved lives…
It just goes to show that guns won’t kill anything if you give them to cowards who will hide instead of doing the duty they swore to people won’t use them.
-Starhammer-
Which proves we as humans once again only care about ourselves, we are selfish hateful individuals who only push our agendas to further ourselves along while accomplishing nothing or we make things worse in the long run. Either way, the main way to have prevented this is once again ignored for the topic that doesn’t FIX the source of the problem!
On top of that the lack of action on the armed officers does make for a very odd…situation, but besides that (which displays another major issue with law enforcement which I won’t go into here) is this kid needed help and didn’t get it. We need to end the privatizing health/care/pharmaceuticals.
he invented email… sounds like AL Gore, know what i mean…
EDIT:
NRA has 5 million members??? That’s only 1% or less…
Fuck this can’t be true. How could anyone sit back while children are in danger?
who are they going to give it to next year? dinesh d’souza? his response to a photograph of Florida school-shooting survivors crying after the state’s legislature voted down an assault-weapons ban.
it always tickles me to watch people blame the media for their own dumb actions. unsurprisingly, here are the bonus tweets of d’souza copping pleas and blaming the media for the dumb shit he said on social media.
speaking of dumb shit, this year’s cpac is full of dumb shit than normal this year. communications director ian walters was popping off about former rnc chairman michael steele.
steele wasn’t having it:
apparently, walters has kool-aid in his veins because he didn’t say it to steele’s face, but started copping pleas instead, but even after the apology. steele still wasn’t having it.
in another dumb cpac moment.
I was checking out how much specific groups spend on lobbying yearly, mostly to compare gun rights groups to the pharmaceutical firms. I do have my own biases due to supporting gun rights. I also think the pharmaceutical industry contributes to the mental illness that may be causing these mass shootings we’ve been dealing with and it’s not really talked about enough imo.
This is all from opensecrets.org
Gun rights groups
NRA - Total Lobbying Expenditures: $5,122,000
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=d000000082
This is the stat they give for gun rights lobbying as a whole, including the NRA and other gun rights groups - Total for Gun Rights: $10,180,732
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indusclient.php?id=Q13&year=2017
These are some popular pharmaceutical firms for 2017.
Johnson & Johnson - Total Lobbying Expenditures: $6,910,000
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000386
Roche holdings - Total Lobbying Expenditures: $4,234,476
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000042474
Here is the number for pharmaceutical lobbying as a whole, including Johnson & Johnson, Roche & the rest - Total for Pharmaceuticals/Health Products: $277,784,999
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indusclient.php?id=H04&year=2017
I tried to do some research on weapon manufacturers as well. They seemed to be grouped in misc manufacturing and distribution, though. I think most of their money may go through the gun rights groups.
Smith & Wesson - Total Lobbying Expenditures: $110,000
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000029080
So I came across defense spending.
Total for Defense: $126,886,711
Defense Aerospace $69,447,203
Defense Electronics $35,795,369
Misc Defense $21,644,139
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indus.php?id=D
Selling drugs is where the money is, I don’t think the msm talks about it enough.
Looks like selling weapons to governments is where the money is. the MSM doesn’t do a good job on that either.
The NRA is attacked on a daily basis by the msm.
Please point out any flaws in my research. I’m here to learn as well.
it always tickles me when people rant about how the msm is fake but “mike m.” a 51 y.o. probably, unemployed man living in idaho with a predilection for conspiracy theories websites and a random youtube account is a legit source of “news”. apparently, he got 200,000 views overnight before youtube took down his video.
WP just posted an article on that type of person. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/02/23/feature/i-dont-know-how-you-got-this-way-a-young-neo-nazi-reveals-himself-to-his-family/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_supremacistrecruit-1202pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.661db0b5fb1e
and trump’s solution to guns is more guns.
people incorrectly identify the source of the nra’s influence. it’s not money. there are much bigger lobbies than the nra. the nra is effective because it completely warped the conversations on guns. it’s effective because it’s a one button lobby and can rapidly mobilize and excite most of their membership and huge numbers of voters. so, if you’re a gop politician who’s running for election or reelection. you better get in good standing with the nra.
remember when trump said his “middle class” tax cut would lead to thousands of dollars in wage increases. paul ryan even bragged about effectiveness of the tax cut, but for some strange reason. he deleted the tweet. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/03/paul-ryan-deleted-tweet-tax-democrats-389082
https://twitter.com/CountryFirst50/status/966765696691523584
oh well, the tax cut is working for warren buffet. he made 29 billion dollars for himself, his corporation and wealthy shareholders and in his own words. he didn’t do a goddamn thing to earn it.
Trump is happy he is at 93% approval among Trump supporters? Like shouldn’t this be 99%+…
Meanwhile in reality.
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So if tiny hands wants to go with the 93% of the 35% then his actual approval is only 32%?
To put this in perspective how tired most of us are not only of Trump but his moronic supporters look no further that this last flip. November is going to be a fucking one-sided massacre and I can’t fucking wait.**
Also… Beto is doing that without taking ANY corporate money BTW.
The police there at the school were slow to react
How does he expect stressed out teachers to react
Those officers were cowards
NRA is a mixed bag; they offer a lot of firearm safety courses and all that but the rhetoric on 2nd amendment stuff has gone bonkers.
the reality of legal gun ownership is that most of the people buying high powered weapons are essentially buying…toys. I mean really, for all practical purposes guns are entertainment in most context. Going out shooting is a lot of fun, but people are doing it for fun. So the answer for why do you need an M-16 would be in all honesty a : “I just wanna fuck up a piñata”.
There’s a lot of people that need it for practical purposes. First time I held a gun it was owned by a guy who carried large sums of money for his company. Other businesses having them in case of robbers and all that jazz makes sense too.
The fun one was the 20s. Most of the gangs got tommy guns and all that other nonsense because they could legit order those from catalogs. But the things that lead to a lot of the violence had shit all to do with the guns being available and more to do with the alcohol prohibition and the gangs fighting over that market.
So, what’s the point of all that? The complete pro-gun side needs to come to terms with the fact that there are always some crazy underlying conditions that we can’t account for, government can’t fix etc etc etc where having even decently powered gun is going to make more deadly; that much is the cost of having the freedom to buy guns. We can spot the crazy that’s in the system (had it not been for a dropped ball from the Air Force in the case of TX church and the FBI in Florida the system would’ve worked) but not the one keeping low key. The dishonest side of the 2nd amendment people is that invariably all of your constitutional rights have some sort of limitations to them so not being allowed to own a nuke isn’t the worst. But where should that line be given that the system will always have human flaws in them?
The gun control side needs to come to terms with the fact that half the time they dont’ know wtf they’re actually saying to anybody. Which laws that aren’t in the books do you feel need to change? Similarly do you know how half these guns function? Because some people are calling for banning semi-autos and doing so leaves only bolt action guns available for anybody. Feel as you may about a lot of stuff, limiting how people can protect themselves is kind of a major issue for a lot of people on the pro gun side. Then you have stuff like limiting private sales, gun registries and a bunch of other things that won’t actually stop people who can get around the small issues of in the previous paragraph. Hell the Sandy Hook shooting happened from Lanza killing his mother and then using her guns which were obtained legally. Then that gets you into this weird nebulous territory where if you are caring for a person with mental health issues you aren’t allowed to won a gun?
And I know some of you sillies will say this is fake news, but lets take this NY time article on mass shootings. A lot of them happened with hand guns. What then is the appropriate gun control law here?
Law enforcement isn’t required to protect the general public:
Castle Rock v. Gonzales - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/27/AR2005062700580.html
In top of that, officers had to be specially trained to deal with a public shooter. And that team that comes in does not care about any victims, in fact they are to ignore everyone except the shooter. It’s actually advised to keep out of the response teams way, not to engage them and wait for emt
*Joshua Douglas argues that the Parkland students organizing against gun violence are a great demonstration of why 16- and 17-year-olds should be allowed to vote. See his recent law review article here.
This is one of my longtime hobbyhorses, and so I certainly agree. Indeed, I’d go lower, setting the voting age at 13 or 14, although I’m open to arguments for making it a bit higher or lower. Sixteen, however, is to me an easy call.
Part of my case for young voting that Douglas doesn’t mention in his column is that, for me, voting is the training wheels of political participation. And yet we not only allow more sophisticated political action from high school students – everything from organizing marches to lobbying their legislators to electioneering – but we also generally encourage and praise it. The plain fact is that these sorts of activities, which no one has ever suggested banning as far as I know, are more difficult and more influential than single votes can ever be. So why should we prevent them from voting?*
Soooo…we really seeing become a serious topic?
The second amendment is the NRAs biggest weapon against increased restrictions.
The right to bear arms is in the constitution.
It doesn’t specify what arms though and when it was written the arms they had at the time are not suitable for mass shootings.
The right to bear War of Independence-era arms would completely change the gun landscape