Yeah, that’s all great. But we also shouldn’t let those suffering from mental health issues have easy access to assault rifles. To me, that’s just common fucking sense.
If you go to prison you can no longer get a gun, ever.
Shocker? Seriously its been almost 400 days and one side is 0-1,000,000… I ask why in the fuck do you people still buy the bullshit? Is it stubbornness and your inability to admit your wrong? or 9 years of day long conspiracies just your thing? This info is easy to get and clearly you see it that your always wrong.
I even held out a MINOR chance this one was real and really I don’t know why but hey you never know. Funny if you read the one tweet first after post that shows the original calling CNN propaganda.
Seriously 400 days and over 3,000 if you buy the crap you bought during the last administration. Like any sane normal minded person would question after 5 days what they are eating and being fed if it kept ending in nothing over and over.
No, then they just stab 22 people, or bash them with rocks.
it still not solve your problem.
But maybe if we didn’t underfund NIH and the CDC when it comes to injury prevention and let them study gun violence
Shuoldnt we just do both things at the same time? Like take care of mental issues and try to stop this people getting guns at the same time.
For fucks sake man, I’m not saying it’ll solve the god damn problem. Yes, we need better solutions to mental health care. But we also need for fucking nutjobs like you to stay the fuck away from machine guns.
Bullshit. The whole “he/she is suffering from mental health” is a stupid line that americans use because they don’t want to admit that they need to just let go of this cowboy shit culture - GUNS. How come the mentally ill people from Japan, China, Canada, Singapore, Australia, Korea, EU, and every damn country (even fucking North Korea) don’t shoot up their schools as frequent as here, answer that?
Unless you believe that the USA is the only place that harbors this level (and quantity) of “mental illness”, it is completely irrational for you to keep yapping this “mental health” nonsense because we are not the only country who has crazy people. It’s not mental health, it’s the environment. Besides, how the hell are you going to get someone “mental” help, are you going to shell out the $100-500 for is check up or he will have to do it (assuming he has the money)?
Be honest, you think gun restriction laws won’t work only because you being an american are attached to shit used for war. Has it not occurred to you that 90% of the news is nothing but negative shit warning us that we need to prepare ourselves or some other country is the enemy? every country that hit the news such as North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Philippines, where all labeled as “terrorists” who we need to save the world from… nevermind that it is actually our country that leads in the most invasions, bombings, destabilizing and mass killings since the 19th century.
Other than war lust, there is also a retarded liberalism in where there are no absolute values but everything is now subjective. You can’t even spank your kids in the ass for cussing or taking a piss on your work papers because you didn’t buy him/her a toy with out getting in legal trouble. Everything in America is anti-discipline, it’s what is fast, takes little pain to gain, and with in the persons happy lifestyle… fuck this is the only country in where more than 90% can’t drive a manual car because everyone is so fucking lazy and pitiful to actually put an effort in learning how to drive.
So a country that is all about war and raising spoiled ass kids with no values and never tasted a belt on the ass = what we have now. Guns need to be taken away mainly because it is time America stops it’s terrorist like mentality which is a good start.
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Well, we did elect Trump into office.
Both him and hillary were horrible to begin with. The clintons were war freaks by the way who did support GWB’s terrorism.
I’m not a Trump supporter btw.
People will almost always choose the path of least resistance to get what they want. Stabby McStab Face didn’t seem to have easy access to a firearm, so he went with a knife and decided to stab people. He didn’t go hit up the black market to go buy a gun with money he probably didn’t even have. He didn’t go steal guns, take his parents’ guns, or borrow someone else’s. Granted every case is different, but I don’t think “look this kid attacked people with a knife instead of a gun, gun control doesn’t work!” makes much sense in that regard. If anything, it’s easier to argue that he did less damage because he didn’t easily have access to a gun.
Trying to find out why mass shootings or mass random acts of violence appear to be on the rise should definitely be something America seeks to find answers on, however, that doesn’t mean we can’t also try to curb the ease of access to guns or certain types of guns as well. They are separate but not necessarily unrelated issues. Both can be addressed at the same time.
The fact that either of those candidates were on the general election ticket says a lot about the mental condition of the US. Ugh.
@Darksakul I don’t really think you’re a nutjob, man. At least not one that’s going to go shoot up a school. But I do believe limiting access to guns for mentally disabled folks is something that should be carefully looked at as a matter of policy. I also don’t disagree with you about putting more resources into mental healthcare. Both things need to happen.
Because Asian and Australian kids aren’t as messed up as American kids.
Also North Korean kids are brainwashed and would be shot the instant they tried anything gasp.
Parkland shooter tried to commit suicide by drinking gasoline. He also pointed a gun at his foster/carer brother’s head. Y’know, among the OTHER 39 complaints to the Sheriff and the 2 FBI tip offs.
Florida behavioural specialists said he wasn’t a threat to himself or others. Supposedly he violated statues that would have had him involuntarily committed via the Baker Act.
But no…it COULDN’T be a mental health issue.
You have just argued what conservatives have been arguing for decades. You’ve just pointed out the cultural problems with are driving American kids insane, and you have the audacity to deny that there’s a mental health aspect to mass violence.
The last country that tried to belt your arse got sent back to Europe 
That is my point. The fact is, these countries also have people who are mentally unstable but they don’t get mass shootings nearly as much as we do. There is no rare case of mental instability that only the USA has. The USA is just all about war and anti-discipline which is why are kids are messed up in comparison to other countries.
But you still don’t hear any reports of kids in NK shooting up schools. What would happen to the kid (getting shot) wouldn’t matter if he was mentally ill, would it?
Yes, this is a mental issue i’m not going to deny that. However if you read my posts carefully i’m saying environmental influences are factored in just as much.
No, i’m arguing the truth and secondly i never denied that there’s a mental health aspect to mass violence but that isn’t always the case, it can also be because of views and beliefs, or in short “influences”. Look at the muslim terrorists, their not suffering from mental illnesses, they are acting on influences - which is the religious beliefs that were installed in them. As i stated in my earlier post that it is obvious a person is mentally unstable to actually kill people however the whole cliche that you are riding on is all because american’s love guns, period.
You said it in your first sentence, “Asian and australian kids aren’t as messed up” why is it that those kids don’t have this same level of “mental illness” that would drive them to do mass killings? What made our kids more messed up? The answer is because our country influences war and has been doing that ever since it started.
Oh, good thing gun laws are so strict over there and the majority of their media isn;t about war.
“Give me my money in stacks/And lace my bitches with dime figures/Real niggas fingers on nickel-plated nine triggers/Must see my enemies defeated/I catch em while they coked up and weeded/Open fire, now them niggas bleeding”… then suddenly after doing this “oh the cops arrested me because I am black”. fuck out of here.
Problem with that policy being made into law is, it’s not worth shit if it’s not enforced.
The “Do not Sell guns to” list only works when the list is keep up to date and have actual access to the databases it’s supposed to be updating from.
In Maryland now the “Don’t Sell” list supposedly already include the entire sex offender registry, registry of those who been at one time put into a mental hospital by the state, convicted felons, those who aren’t felons but can’t access weapons do to a deal like a parole ect, but that list is years out of date and there been very little attempt to update the list or what would make more sense to link these databases together.
Telling me oh we just ban the mentally ill from guns to me is a empty gesture, we have than law in MD but no one enforces it.
Anti-discipline, leading to to lowered inhibitions and less consideration for consequences. It all helps fester the very notion getting into kids minds that “school sucks, better kill everyone!”.
It’s North Korea. They’re all suffering Stockholm Syndrome, and even suicide is treason.
They don’t lift a hand against ANYONE, let alone snap and kill their fellow captives.
Terrorists who fantasize about mass violence are not mentally ill?
Because Asian kids, well, at least in Japan are raised and taught to keep their head down and show respect.
For Australia, the answer is because generally speaking, we’re still a British colony in many respects. We aren’t being spoonfed the participation award nonsense that goes on in the US. Even when we DID have ARs and the like, we weren’t shooting up schools (oddly enough, we have more guns now per capita than pre-ban). On the flipside, we’ll blame the victim when they defend themselves. It’s weird and inconsistent.
No, but like us, they’re more than happy to join in and help the US in their wars.
I agree totally with you on that.
Anti-discipline is a factor in the environment.
But that’s missing the point, regardless of what ever political holds on them, if there is a mental illness it will not mean anything.
If it’s out of religious beliefs, they are not mentally ill they are just influenced in believing it. Their beliefs are, but it was all influenced at the end of the day.
Good clarifying my point. You just summed it up here that the reason why these countries (regardless of having mentally ill citizens) don’t do this behavior because they are raised differently at an early age.
again, stick to the point. They have strict gun laws, which is why they don’t have mass shooting statistics like we do, if they didn’t (as shown in the past) they would also have the same problem.
At the end it’s all about how the kid was raised and influenced and not because he was just crazy, as stated in your example with Japan. The kids there are raised and taught to show respect, here it is different. In Japan and the other countries i listed, they don’t influence war like ours except for the UK (as you said) who joins in our wars, but they have strict gun laws.
So the US = a bunch of kids who are not taught the value of respect, influenced in war, and have no gun laws yet you guys sum it all up to just be “oh the kid should have spent like 300$ laying on a couch talking to a shrink/councilor”… come on.
Guns should be banned because Americans have a lust for war that needs to come to an end. UK is an example of this.
It’s about time that our country tones down this of freedom of expression - in where kids at the age of 7-10 can just spam f bombs in a pubic bus, young girls have the prerogative to get knocked up and just spend all their parents money on getting an abortion and fat ugly women can walk in malls in bikinis and thongs because it’s “their right to love their bodies”; in addition to spamming bullshit in the news about this country doing these human rights violations and is a danger to the world when the USA has invaded about 70+ countries since it’s birth.
Personally, I suggested that the local constables take up low-caliber rifles and do roving patrols to blast buttcheeks from medium to long range, but people keep looking at me like I’m crazy. :bluu:
-Starhammer-
“Okay Mr. class clown, let’s try this one LAST time. Are you going to solve the problem, or am I going to “solve” the problem?”
Jokes aside, I don’t like it any more than you do, and believe it or not, I don’t like this idea at all.
When I was still in school we had ways of handling bad kids. Simply, you keep acting up, you go to the principal’s office. You didn’t want to go to the principal’s office. YOU DON’T WANT THAT. You know what’s in there? Old people. With paddles. Yes. The paddle. Mr. Badwood. The “Board of ed-YOU-cation”. The sure sign that you done fucked up. A few minutes later and your ass is still smoking, you’re sitting in the desk sideways because even though you’re only five to nine years old, you’re a fuckin’ MAN and ain’t no fat ol’ bitch teacher is gonna make you cry from no whoopin!
…damn tho. I only threw one damn pencil, why I gotta get like five licks and shit? :bluu: And what’s up with that bitch arm?
she ain’t strong no other time except with a paddle?..
Painful, embarrassing, and sometimes,“It wasn’t you, it was billy/pookie/nasty nancy/etc.” but let’s face it. I didn’t die from it and I sure as hell got the message. “Do that shit again, and you’re gonna have to talk to Mr. Badwood. We’ve asked you to stop, we’ve told you to stop. Now stop or else.”
Quite simply, there was rules and consequences for repeated breaking of said rules. However, the major part of school discipline wasn’t in the school, but the home. If you thought the teacher smacking that ass was embarrassing, well that was just the warm up…no pun intended.
PLEASE don’t tell that mean ass bitch I live with that I was acting up. PLEASE DON’T TELL HER!!! NOT THAT!!! ANYTHING BUT THAT!!! :shake: In school is one thing, but at home there are no witnesses. There were, however, so many instruments of pain and torture that even the Spanish Inquisition would tremble with glee and perhaps more than a little terror. Nope, just put all those branches in the trashbag please. No need for them in here.
Violent? Indeed, but it was CONTROLLED violence used for one purpose: teaching your kids right from wrong. It was pretty effective if I must say so. Most of the people I grew up with have lived okay, if not prosperous lives with few known incidents of people from my graduating class being jailed or worse.
That was then. This is now.
Now we don’t have what was once known as corporal punishment. Along with that, we don’t have school prayer, we don’t have the pledge of allegiance, in fact, pretty much any tool that the teachers had to maintain order is gone, including the most effective one of calling home and telling the parents that their kid or kids are acting up. Nope, now the parents are all buddy-buddy with their kids and they know that their little angel dindu nuffin and that hateful ol’ sexist/racist/whatever other-ist ass teacher better leave their baby alone before they get fired.
Speaking of which, teachers can get fired for anything now. Just some kid saying something is enough to get a teacher removed, and especially if you’re a male teacher. Just let someone’s daughter say you’re a rapist. You’ll be dismissed faster than the class without even a hint of due process. That, is some ol’ bullshit. Even if you’re found innocent the person accusing you won’t face any consequences for what is an outright CRIME. Why? Because it’s the current year and if you don’t like it then you need to check your privilege. Does it matter that the teachers are just about afraid to come to class now because they are already underpaid and having to deal with ever increasing levels of disrespect from not only the students, but their parents? Apparently not.
While I am by no means a bible thumper, I cannot help but see the correlation between the drastic changes between schools of my time and now, and the old phrase,“Spare the rod, spoil the child.” If our current situation isn’t evidence of that, I don’t know what is. If you don’t teach children respect and give them guidelines while they’re young, you’ll get what we have now. Uneducated brats who think the world owes them for the privilege of them being in it. Sadly, this situation where we must even contemplate arming teachers is just another symptom of our failing society.
I’m gonna cut the wall of text off here, but give it some thought. We can end this whole problem of having kids shooting up schools by simply doing the job that we adults must do: Raise children the way that we want them to be.
-Starhammer-