Now Time Warner/CNN and Obama.
TRUMP IS CREATING THE WORST KIND OF DOMESTIC TERRORISTS!!!
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It should not be a death sentence to disagree with someoneâs political stance.
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But itâs ok. Civility can resume if and only if the Dems win the House and Senate.
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Oh shut the fuck up, there are psychos on each side.
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You realise that was precisely the point I was trying to make to Brent the Bent, right?
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Cool. Missed out on the obvious sarcasm.
Civility seems to be deadâŚ
There are indeed bad people in our world from all backgrounds. But your logic to addressing this is to go tit for fucking tat which is what the ârightâ is notorious for. Funny that story is like 3 weeks old but all of a sudden its pushed on that site 30 min after the recent attacks.
Trump rhetoric is directly influencing these attacks and to not own that or admit that is why we have lost civility, are country is fully toxic and is beyond polarized.
Maybe you can give your thoughts on your leader supremes constant lying or at least share a link to when Obama/Clinton lied or something like that?
To be fair all politicians âlieâ (in the sense of not telling the entire truth). The problem is that Trump lies like a toddler that got caught stealing cookies from the jar with chocolate smears on their shirt.
Obama and Clinton have lied on countless demonstratable occasions. Iâm gonna close Guantanamo, You can keep your doctor, red line in Syria, Iran wasnât given ransom money, Benghazi was caused by an inflammatory videoâŚYou can dig that shit out yourself, cause Iâm not in the mood to spend 15 mins copypasting links that youâre gonna ignore or just flat deny.
Itâs true that Trump says a lot of shit that is hyperbolic and over the top. However, the fact is that he has a very solid track record of fulfilling promises to his constituency.
However, I donât want to make excuses for Trump when he lies. I donât think he should. But since you seem so exasperated, let me give my take on why his supporters donât care when he does.
People are willing to give Trump a pass because of how accessible to the press and willing to speak off the cuff he is. Simple as that.
That sounds like horse shit reasoning, but let me explain.
Politicians lie all the time. And going âgotchaâ made sense when most of those lies were pre-meditated and cleared through a bunch of staff before they even passed through the politicianâs lips.
And when politicians talk, people know itâs filtered and pre cleared because the words they use are so practiced and elegant. They arenât words that people associate with conversational speech.
With Trump though everything he says, even if it is pre meditated, sounds conversational and off the cuff because it isnât elegant, it isnât smooth. Itâs rough. Itâs conversational.
And people are already instinctively used to being bullshitted in conversational speech all the time, so their ears will natural filter the speech to take it sentimentally rather than literally. So when a Trump supporter hears a hyperbolic claim from Trump that isnât fulfilled, he doesnât feel lied to, because he never took Trump literally in the first place.
So yeah.
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He has a responsibility to all citizens, Democrat or Republican.
I agree that this is the case but doesnât mean thatâs it isnât strikingly foolish. This is not a job for someone that makes claims with little accountability for follow-through. âOh thatâs Trump being Trumpâ isnât a good answer for someone that heavily influences national policy.
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So basically, Trump lies but itâs ok because he talks like a fucking idiot.
I swear, Trump supporters are worse than the man himself.
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Sure. He does what he thinks is best for all citizens. When jobs go up, those jobs go to both Democrats and Republicans.
I think you missed the larger point of my post, but thats my fault, so Iâll spell it out now.
When it comes to the specifics of his policy direction, Trump is often wildly inaccurate. But when it comes to his policy intent, Trump is always brutally honest.
Trumpâs voters are willing to live with the inaccurate specifics because they donât expect policy specifics to be conveyed conversationally and because he does in fact follow through on the direction promised. Often much better than regular politicians do.
Hereâs a maxim that I heard awhile back that I think captures the phenomenon succinctly
Trumpâs critics donât take him seriously, but they take him literally. Trumpâs supporters donât take him literally, but they take him seriously.
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What is funny is that breaking bad blew up ricin so much that morons think they too can get away with it
There are psychos on both sides true
But republicans are more ambivalent and say the left deserve it
Jobs are not the only concern with respect to the sustainability of this country. In one of his most recent outings he was talking about âclean coalâ. I get that itâs an industry that supplies a number of jobs, but alternatives can be looked at simultaneously. There is also the example of Carrier (Air Conditioning) that got that huge tax break to keep their factory in the US. Meanwhile they also stated that those gains will be reinvested into automation.
I completely understood your point. If a person takes him seriously but not literally, would that not be in line with not being accountable for follow-through? If he makes a policy statements (e.g. US/Mexico Border) he is going to do âsomethingâ with. Anything that he says about how, when, terms or conditions are simply just rally cries.
Iâm gonna close GuantanamoâŚ
Obama inherited an utterly fucking crazed fiasco and didnât solve it quickly enough. How dare the Democrats not clean up horrific Republican messes quickly enough. What dicks.
Since you brought it up, I hope you take the time to actually look into it. Obama clearly failed at quickly solving the problems Republicans created, sure. Maybe stop putting people that want to create that kind of problem in positions of power. Holding ânot solving fucked up problems they did not create quickly enoughâ against somebody seems sad.
People are willing to give Trump a pass because of how accessible to the press and willing to speak off the cuff he is. Simple as that.
Eh. Heâs accessible to the press on a fucked up unprepared basis, right? Yell and claw your way towards a quick question if you get lucky. Heâs not typically willing to speak on the cuff. You get shallow shitty discourse the Trumpian way. Frame the press as a mob. Yay. He gives crumbs to the needy.
With Trump though everything he says, even if it is pre meditated, sounds conversational and off the cuff because it isnât elegant, it isnât smooth. Itâs rough. Itâs conversational.
Thatâs interesting, given that the Republican people that know him have pretty consistently called him a moron who canât tell the truth.
He does what he thinks is best for all citizens.
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He does whatâs best for Trump.
When jobs go up, those jobs go to both Democrats and Republicans.
âJobsâ is a loose shitty metric, much like âconsumer confidenceâ. Where does the money go?
I also raise an eyebrow at âboth D and Râ, given that this is the most nepotistic cronyistic administration I can remember. Is there one you can think of that is worse? (On a related note, curious to see how the emoluments suit goes.)
But when it comes to his policy intent, Trump is always brutally honest.
I think before he actually does something, maybe. Afterwards, though, what happened before was just all pillow talk, baby.
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Iâm sure thatâs exactly what has fueled demonizing immigrants displaced by our meddling, the press, and trans folk.
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When did it become âracistâ and âxenophobicâ to not let anyone and everyone into your country regardless of status? Every country on Earth has immigration standards and even Europe doesnât just let anyone who wants to enter. Stop with the hyperbole.
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Oooo, I love everything about that question!
Who is asking for anyone and everyone to be allowed into the country? Who further is asking for them to be admitted regardless of status?
What is an asylum claim? What is asylum?
I agree that the hyperbole gets pretty interesting here, but leading with âanyone and everyoneâ is kinda ironic. 
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When this administration and the previous decided it was better to lock them in cages like animals and deny perfectly legal asylum, then foist the blame for economic woes and domestic terrorism onto them in a mass dehumanization campaign
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